Questions on how to get LyX working, how to use LyX and other question related to usage

Allen Wilkinson | 11 Jul 2012 04:51

Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls

I am writing a paper for Wiley's journal "INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL FOR 
NUMERICAL AND ANALYTICAL METHODS IN GEOMECHANICS" that uses the 
nagauth.cls LaTeX class.

The generic article.layout re-used for nagauth.layout file does not 
produce a very compatible layout. It puts \maketitle command in the wrong 
place with respect to author addresses (oddly defaulting to \lyaddress{} 
alternative to the \address{} function in nagauth.cls) and the abstract. 
There may be other anomalies as I progress in writing the paper.

I suspect that a proper .layout file would fix this.

Where can I find the language definitions used for creating .layout files?

Thanks, Allen Wilkinson
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Richard Heck | 11 Jul 2012 22:23

Re: Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls

On 07/10/2012 10:51 PM, Allen Wilkinson wrote:
> I am writing a paper for Wiley's journal "INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL FOR 
> NUMERICAL AND ANALYTICAL METHODS IN GEOMECHANICS" that uses the 
> nagauth.cls LaTeX class.
>
> The generic article.layout re-used for nagauth.layout file does not 
> produce a very compatible layout. It puts \maketitle command in the 
> wrong place with respect to author addresses (oddly defaulting to 
> \lyaddress{} alternative to the \address{} function in nagauth.cls) 
> and the abstract. There may be other anomalies as I progress in 
> writing the paper.
>
> I suspect that a proper .layout file would fix this.
>
> Where can I find the language definitions used for creating .layout 
> files?
>
Chapter 5 of the Customization manual. Feel free to ask lots of 
questions, too, and I'd recommend looking through other layout files 
that perhaps work more like this one.

rh

Allen Wilkinson | 12 Jul 2012 03:19

Re: Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls

Richard,

I read all of Section 5.2 on layouts. I used it to modify the 
article.layout file to nagauth.layout, which is poor for nagauth.cls.

There are a tons of things being set in layout files, especially when you 
drill down into stdclass.inc and its included .inc files.

In the linked file lyxmacros.inc the "Style Address" is noted. How can I 
control the nagauth.cls \address definition be used {placing author 
addresses right after the authors on the title page} and not the 
\lyxaddress definition?

The same goes for "Style Abstract" in the stdstruct.inc file. How can I 
force the abstract to happen on the title page right after the \address 
content? nagauth.cls renames the 'abstract' to 'Summary' LyX output seems 
to botch that renaming.

Why doesn't LyX just default to the .cls files definitions and abandon the 
need for layout files?

I can patch .tex files after LyX export, but that gets tedious quick.

I am looking for a manual on the structure and meaning of all elements 
used in layout files. Customization help file doesn't come close to that 
need.

Best, Allen
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Alex Vergara Gil | 12 Jul 2012 17:05

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Layouts vs cls file definition (was: Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls)

El 11/07/2012 07:19 p.m., Allen Wilkinson escribió:
> (...)
> Why doesn't LyX just default to the .cls files definitions and abandon 
> the need for layout files?
>
> (...)

Dear Lyxers

I half agree with this question, layout files are very useful when you 
have to get more than one cls file definition (i.e a master document is 
a book and a child document is an article and so on), but when you are 
writting just an article the editors often offer you a cls file already 
(ElSevier for example). I propose one of two solutions: isn't a way to 
get layout files automatically from cls file definitions, if this is too 
overwhelming I can handle with just the basics and then add manually the 
rest for the first glance (a python script would be nice, suggested name 
"cls2layout.py"); second solution could be that lyx can actually read 
the cls file as an option to the layout file, this is not in lyx 
philosophy but why not? It would be helpful in some specific cases like 
this which is used a lot. Probably this is solved someway or someone has 
already found a solution so it would be nice if it is published here, 
I'm open at suggestions.

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Regards
~-o--{____}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Física Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibración Dosimétrica

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Richard Heck | 12 Jul 2012 17:49

Re: Layouts vs cls file definition

On 07/12/2012 11:05 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
> El 11/07/2012 07:19 p.m., Allen Wilkinson escribió:
>> (...)
>> Why doesn't LyX just default to the .cls files definitions and 
>> abandon the need for layout files?
>>
>> (...)
>
> Dear Lyxers
>
> I half agree with this question, layout files are very useful when you 
> have to get more than one cls file definition (i.e a master document 
> is a book and a child document is an article and so on), but when you 
> are writting just an article the editors often offer you a cls file 
> already (ElSevier for example). I propose one of two solutions: isn't 
> a way to get layout files automatically from cls file definitions, if 
> this is too overwhelming I can handle with just the basics and then 
> add manually the rest for the first glance (a python script would be 
> nice, suggested name "cls2layout.py"); second solution could be that 
> lyx can actually read the cls file as an option to the layout file, 
> this is not in lyx philosophy but why not? It would be helpful in some 
> specific cases like this which is used a lot. Probably this is solved 
> someway or someone has already found a solution so it would be nice if 
> it is published here, I'm open at suggestions.
>
If someone wants to figure out a way to generate a layout file from a 
LaTeX class file, then I don't see why this would be impossible, but I 
think it would prove to be a whole ton of work.

As always, if you have an itch, then open source gives you a chance to

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Peter Novak | 13 Jul 2012 11:05

Re: Layouts vs cls file definition (was: Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls)

Hello Alex,

> I propose one of two
> solutions: isn't a way to get layout files automatically from cls
> file definitions, if this is too overwhelming I can handle with just
> the basics and then add manually the rest for the first glance (a
> python script would be nice, suggested name "cls2layout.py"); second
> solution could be that lyx can actually read the cls file as an
> option to the layout file, this is not in lyx philosophy but why
> not? It would be helpful in some specific cases like this which is
> used a lot. Probably this is solved someway or someone has already
> found a solution so it would be nice if it is published here, I'm
> open at suggestions.

This would be extremely difficult to do. Realize that most non-trivial
packages do not rely on plain LaTeX, but rather implement large amounts
of their functionality in plain TeX and things are much messier down
there. 

Just consider:
1.- it simply is not the case that you can just parse out
    \newcommand, \renewcommand and newenvironmennt definitions and you
    are fine. In fact, most of the time you are not. What you need to
    consider are all the \def definitions, but that's not the way to do
    it. Perhaps for the default LaTeX packages yes, but not the custom
    ones of journals and various publishers. In fact, many of those I
    saw so far were implemented so that they work for the publisher,
    they are not meant to tinker with too much.
2.- TeX (and hence LaTeX) does not facilitate specification of a public
    interface of a package. In fact everything (i.e., every symbol

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Allen Wilkinson | 13 Jul 2012 14:24

Re: Layouts vs cls file definition (was: Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls)

To do the manual layout creation (or substantial editing of existing 
layout) I need a language definition. What are all the possible structure 
and elements, along with their meaning, of the style sections defined? How 
does one control the placement of these style sections in the larger 
document.

Richard Heck helped on my specific two examples in hand at the moment.

Could LyX offer a layout editor as a high level interface to managing 
layouts?

Thanks, Allen
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Address:

Allen Wilkinson                       (cell)  (216) 548-2349
1286 Yellowstone Road
Cleveland Heights, OH 44121  USA      (INTERNET) aw(at)chaff(dot)biz
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012, Peter Novak wrote:

[snip]
>
> So to sum up: in my opinion, manual layout file creation is the
> easiest and most reliable method to rely upon.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Best,

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Richard Heck | 13 Jul 2012 19:11

Re: Layouts vs cls file definition

On 07/13/2012 08:24 AM, Allen Wilkinson wrote:
> To do the manual layout creation (or substantial editing of existing 
> layout) I need a language definition. What are all the possible 
> structure and elements, along with their meaning, of the style 
> sections defined? How does one control the placement of these style 
> sections in the larger document.
>
The language itself is defined and documented in Chapter 5 of the 
Customization manual. You can see what styles a given layout defines 
simply by looking at the combo box you use to choose them, though there 
may also be insets that the layout defines that appear on other menus.

> Could LyX offer a layout editor as a high level interface to managing 
> layouts?
>
That's a dream many of us have long had.

What might be useful here, short of the dream, would be some way to dump 
all the layout information to a terminal.

Richard

Steve Litt | 14 Jul 2012 04:17

Re: Layouts vs cls file definition (was: Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls)

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:24:20 -0400 (EDT), Allen Wilkinson said:
> To do the manual layout creation (or substantial editing of existing 
> layout) I need a language definition. What are all the possible
> structure and elements, along with their meaning, of the style
> sections defined? How does one control the placement of these style
> sections in the larger document.
> 
> Richard Heck helped on my specific two examples in hand at the moment.
> 
> Could LyX offer a layout editor as a high level interface to managing 
> layouts?
> 
> Thanks, Allen

Hi Allen,

The LyX part of layouts has a relatively few choices, that would be
very amenable to a front end to a .conf file, kind of like what SWAT is
to smb.conf. A simple script could turn the conf file into a layout.

BUT...

LaTeX is all over the map. There are lots of ways to indent. Lots of
ways to invoke different spacing. The best I could do to create a tool
for writing LaTeX is to ask the user for spacing, fontface, font size,
font weight, font slant, justification, etc, and then write LaTeX to do
approximately that in a very prepackaged way. It would need to be
tweaked.

SteveT

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Richard Heck | 12 Jul 2012 18:07

Re: Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls

On 07/11/2012 09:19 PM, Allen Wilkinson wrote:
> Richard,
>
> I read all of Section 5.2 on layouts. I used it to modify the 
> article.layout file to nagauth.layout, which is poor for nagauth.cls.
>
> There are a tons of things being set in layout files, especially when 
> you drill down into stdclass.inc and its included .inc files.
>
> In the linked file lyxmacros.inc the "Style Address" is noted. How can 
> I control the nagauth.cls \address definition be used {placing author 
> addresses right after the authors on the title page} and not the 
> \lyxaddress definition?
>
If you don't want to use that definition, then start with:
     NoStyle Address
and then redefine it as you wish, e.g.:
     Style Address
         LaTeXType command
         LaTeXName address
         InTitle 1
     End
Pretty basic, but it should come close to working. LaTeX will take care 
of putting the address in the right place.

> The same goes for "Style Abstract" in the stdstruct.inc file. How can 
> I force the abstract to happen on the title page right after the 
> \address content? nagauth.cls renames the 'abstract' to 'Summary' LyX 
> output seems to botch that renaming.
>

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Allen Wilkinson | 13 Jul 2012 15:19

Re: Lyx .layout language for nagauth.cls

Richard,

This journal puts the abstract before the \maketitle command in the 
attached .tex file.

I attach the .cls file for any help.

Thanks, Allen
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Address:

Allen Wilkinson                       (cell)  (216) 548-2349
1286 Yellowstone Road
Cleveland Heights, OH 44121  USA      (INTERNET) aw(at)chaff(dot)biz
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012, Richard Heck wrote:

> On 07/11/2012 09:19 PM, Allen Wilkinson wrote:
>> Richard,
>> 
>> I read all of Section 5.2 on layouts. I used it to modify the 
>> article.layout file to nagauth.layout, which is poor for nagauth.cls.
>> 
>> There are a tons of things being set in layout files, especially when you 
>> drill down into stdclass.inc and its included .inc files.
>> 
>> In the linked file lyxmacros.inc the "Style Address" is noted. How can I 
>> control the nagauth.cls \address definition be used {placing author 
>> addresses right after the authors on the title page} and not the

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