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Jon Paris | 21 Jun 2012 19:51

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5


On 2012-06-21, at 1:00 PM, wdsci-l-request@... wrote:

> So what we have done is write a parser from scratch that will compute all
> the information on the fly and it reuses information from the IBM i (like
> file record/field information) from the last call.  In this fashion we can
> update the information on each keystroke.  We have the flexibility to
> improve and add more information that the program verifier did not compute.
> However, it will take a while before we tweak it to behave just like the
> compiler.

So this should help in portability and increase the chances of getting a Mac version? 

Please, please - pretty please. I would _love_ to dump WIndows completely.

Jon Paris

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Jerry C. Adams | 21 Jun 2012 20:13

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

Jon,

You are SO pathetic when you beg.

Real men use Windows.  Real geeks use DOS.  

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On 2012-06-21, at 1:00 PM, wdsci-l-request@... wrote:

> So what we have done is write a parser from scratch that will compute 
> all the information on the fly and it reuses information from the IBM 
> i (like file record/field information) from the last call.  In this 
> fashion we can update the information on each keystroke.  We have the 
> flexibility to improve and add more information that the program verifier
did not compute.
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Jeff Young | 21 Jun 2012 20:32
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Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

and real programmers write in machind code.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Jerry C. Adams <midrange@...> wrote:

> Jon,
>
> You are SO pathetic when you beg.
>
> Real men use Windows.  Real geeks use DOS.
>
> Jerry C. Adams
> IBM i Programmer/Analyst
> The first myth of management is that it exists.
> --
> A&K Wholesale
> Murfreesboro, TN
> 615-867-5070
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wdsci-l-bounces@... [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@...]
> On
> Behalf Of Jon Paris
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:51 PM
> To: wdsci-l@...
> Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5
>
>
>  On 2012-06-21, at 1:00 PM, wdsci-l-request@... wrote:
>
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Jeff Crosby | 21 Jun 2012 20:50

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

Real men don't need a computer.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Jeff Young <jyoung0950@...> wrote:

> and real programmers write in machind code.
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Jerry C. Adams <midrange@...> wrote:
>
> > Jon,
> >
> > You are SO pathetic when you beg.
> >
> > Real men use Windows.  Real geeks use DOS.
> >
> > Jerry C. Adams
> > IBM i Programmer/Analyst
> > The first myth of management is that it exists.
> > --
> > A&K Wholesale
> > Murfreesboro, TN
> > 615-867-5070
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wdsci-l-bounces@... [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@...]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Jon Paris
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:51 PM
> > To: wdsci-l@...
> > Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5
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Pete Helgren | 21 Jun 2012 20:49

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

As those synapses age you need more and more crutches to get you through 
the day... although I have yet to figure out how CTRL+mouse click is 
"better" than a right mouse button click....

Pete Helgren
Value Added Software, Inc
www.petesworkshop.com
GIAC Secure Software Programmer-Java

On 6/21/2012 12:13 PM, Jerry C. Adams wrote:
> Jon,
>
> You are SO pathetic when you beg.
>
> Real men use Windows.  Real geeks use DOS.
>
> Jerry C. Adams
> IBM i Programmer/Analyst
> The first myth of management is that it exists.
> --
> A&K Wholesale
> Murfreesboro, TN
> 615-867-5070

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Dave Shaw | 21 Jun 2012 20:56

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

Right click?  Not shift-f10?  Mice are just food for cats. <grin>

Dave Shaw
Mohawk Industries

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As those synapses age you need more and more crutches to get you through 
the day... although I have yet to figure out how CTRL+mouse click is 
"better" than a right mouse button click....

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Edmund Reinhardt | 22 Jun 2012 12:58
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Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5


Hi Jon
Believe me, we are well aware of the strong desire of certain people to run
on Macs :-)
It turns out that your are in good company and 2 of our architects run on
Macs as well.

As you astutely pointed out, having the RPG rich editing independent of PV
means we can get that function on the Mac without porting those native
DLLs.
1)  This is only part of the problem.  We need to get all of our
dependencies to support Mac.  However I am hearing some good news on this
front.
2)  I was under the impression that Program Verifier is still important
functionality.  Are you saying that you would get the same error feedback
from compiles and that you don't really see PV as critical function?

How do the rest of you feel about the importance of Program Verifier?

Regards,

Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
COBOL IDE on AIX, DDS, WebFacing, System i Application Development,
Rational Developer for Power

                                                                                                

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Gary Thompson | 22 Jun 2012 14:27

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

I use Program Verifier, it is much more convenient than a compile, but not an essential.

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To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

Hi Jon
Believe me, we are well aware of the strong desire of certain people to run on Macs :-) It turns out that your
are in good company and 2 of our architects run on Macs as well.

As you astutely pointed out, having the RPG rich editing independent of PV means we can get that function on
the Mac without porting those native DLLs.
1)  This is only part of the problem.  We need to get all of our dependencies to support Mac.  However I am hearing
some good news on this front.
2)  I was under the impression that Program Verifier is still important functionality.  Are you saying that
you would get the same error feedback from compiles and that you don't really see PV as critical function?

How do the rest of you feel about the importance of Program Verifier?

Regards,

Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
COBOL IDE on AIX, DDS, WebFacing, System i Application Development, Rational Developer for Power

                                                                                                

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Tarr, Kenneth | 22 Jun 2012 14:36

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

Same here.  We use Aldon LM(i) and it seems that the compile feature in RDP has some problems with it, but not
the Verifier.  Haven't had a lot of time to look into this further to see what, if any, settings need to be
changed to address the compile part...but having the Verifier has saved me some time, especially with the
ability to navigate through the error list it provides.

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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

I use Program Verifier, it is much more convenient than a compile, but not an essential.

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From: wdsci-l-bounces@...
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:59 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

Hi Jon
Believe me, we are well aware of the strong desire of certain people to run on Macs :-) It turns out that your
are in good company and 2 of our architects run on Macs as well.

As you astutely pointed out, having the RPG rich editing independent of PV means we can get that function on
the Mac without porting those native DLLs.
1)  This is only part of the problem.  We need to get all of our dependencies to support Mac.  However I am hearing
some good news on this front.
2)  I was under the impression that Program Verifier is still important functionality.  Are you saying that
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Jim Oberholtzer | 22 Jun 2012 14:37

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

On systems were the number of users for the development tools might be a 
bit limited since you now pay by the user, the verifier becomes far more 
important since it does not increment the current user list on the 
development tools.  It is a client side tool if I have it correct.

Therefore not only is it more convenient, it is going to save money in 
the long run too.....

BTW:  I am a MAC user as well with a Fusion VM running the tooling.  
That extra step is really annoying.

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

On 6/22/2012 7:27 AM, Gary Thompson wrote:
> I use Program Verifier, it is much more convenient than a compile, but not an essential.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Edmund Reinhardt
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:59 AM
> To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i&  iSeries
> Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5
>
>
> Hi Jon
> Believe me, we are well aware of the strong desire of certain people to run on Macs:-)  It turns out that your
are in good company and 2 of our architects run on Macs as well.
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KBushard | 22 Jun 2012 14:37
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I also use Program Verifier quite a bit and agree it is more convenient 
than a complile.  Not sure whether it's much better as far as a 
performance hit on the machine.

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From:   Gary Thompson <gthompson@...>
To:     Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client 
for     System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@...>, 
Date:   06/22/2012 07:28 AM
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I use Program Verifier, it is much more convenient than a compile, but not 
an essential.

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On Behalf Of Edmund Reinhardt
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System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

Hi Jon
Believe me, we are well aware of the strong desire of certain people to 
run on Macs :-) It turns out that your are in good company and 2 of our 
architects run on Macs as well.
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Anderson, Kurt | 22 Jun 2012 15:44

Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

I use Verifier constantly.   I have a need to be constantly changing my library list (using a library list
filter), and the verifier works great in conjunction with that.  I don't know if this next piece changes
with 8.5, but I have had to verify (with refresh) on live source in order to generate an outline that picked
up file changes, etc.    Having the added step of requesting a compile with no object is just another step.

At the moment, removing Verifier would be crippling to me because truthfully, I don't use the RDp compiler. 
When changing job descriptions for compiling was explained to me some time ago (probably years, so maybe
it has changed)... it didn't beat switching to PDM, F18, changing the jobd, then compiling right there. 

(ps.  Edmund, did you see my notes earlier in this thread about field attributes showing up as Unknown after a
manual refresh of the outline?)

-Kurt

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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

Hi Jon
Believe me, we are well aware of the strong desire of certain people to run on Macs :-) It turns out that your
are in good company and 2 of our architects run on Macs as well.

As you astutely pointed out, having the RPG rich editing independent of PV means we can get that function on
the Mac without porting those native DLLs.
1)  This is only part of the problem.  We need to get all of our dependencies to support Mac.  However I am hearing
some good news on this front.
2)  I was under the impression that Program Verifier is still important functionality.  Are you saying that
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KBushard | 22 Jun 2012 15:54
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Kurt has made an excellent point about job descriptions.   I haven't 
looked exhaustively but I don't see anyplace in RDp to change the job 
description.   It would at least be helpful to change it on the compile 
command.

I have a "development" job description attached to my user profile so most 
of the time I don't have to think about it.

I have customized the RDp compile commands, and created a couple of my own 
(CRTSQLRPGM to create a module from an sqlrpgle) with DEBUG defaulted the 
way I like and other parameters that we normally change on the compile.

Adding a parameter for JOBD would be a great enhancement.   I feel an RFE 
coming on...

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To:     "Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio 
Client for      System i & iSeries" <wdsci-l@...>, 
Date:   06/22/2012 08:45 AM
Subject:        Re: [WDSCI-L] field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5
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I use Verifier constantly.   I have a need to be constantly changing my 
library list (using a library list filter), and the verifier works great 
in conjunction with that.  I don't know if this next piece changes with 
8.5, but I have had to verify (with refresh) on live source in order to 
generate an outline that picked up file changes, etc.    Having the added
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Brian Johnson | 22 Jun 2012 20:32
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Re: field attributes in Outline view RDP V8.5

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Edmund Reinhardt
<edmund.reinhardt@...> wrote:
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>
> How do the rest of you feel about the importance of Program Verifier?
>

I only run PV to get "the cache" refreshed so I can refresh the
outline so code assist can, um, assist.  Compiles in our environment
are faster than PV, and PV with cache refresh is go-get-more-coffee
slow.

Live update of outline is encouraging that help is on the way.

If local changes can be made available to code assist in pseudo-real
time, how about automated cache sync humming along in the background
to eliminate, or at least minimize, the need for manual cache refresh
actions?

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Thierry Bernard | 23 Jun 2012 02:47

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We solely use the verifier as a "update cache for this program" 
function, which is a useful function, because the cache, sadly, does not 
detect it's stale and update itself...
For us, it's faster to compile to get the errors.

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