Jack Hall | 15 May 19:54
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Re: Call No. For DVD movies based on printed titles

I wonder about that (not that I doubt your public service people's 
veracity!!). I don't think most people even know that a particular 
movie is made from a book,  or from what book, in most cases. Some 
are from novels (some famous, some not), some from plays, some from 
original screenplays (and where to class them?), some purport to be 
based on real life (biopics such as Walk the Line), and I think most 
patrons just think of nearly all of them as movies and would rather 
browse by title.

I don't think there's anything wrong with classing those made from 
books with the book, but in many cases it will take extra work on the 
cataloger's part to determine whether it is based on a book (and how 
closely, anyway?), and what the book is. Is Clueless to be classed 
with Austen's Emma, for example?

Jack

At 12:04 PM 5/15/2008, Jenkins, Laverne wrote:
>I wasn't going to go there, but since Mac has, I must say that I totally =
>agree. I've tried to visit this with our public services people, several =
>times, but they insist that our patrons expect to find the movie of a =
>title in the same call# as the book. Never mind that they won't shelve =
>together because one is cuttered by author and the other is cuttered by =
>title, if the different formats are intershelved!  I don't know why the =
>tendency to think our patrons can't make the leap.

Jack Hall
Manager, Cataloging Services
114L University of Houston Libraries
Houston, TX  77204-2000
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Angela Kroeger | 15 May 20:42
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(Jumping the gun on Friday.)

Jack Hall asked, "Is Clueless to be classed with Austen's Emma, for
example?"

If you took it to that extreme, you might end up with The Lion King classed
with Hamlet, but The Lion King II: Simba's Pride classed with Romeo and
Juliet.  :-)

Angela Kroeger
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Dr. C.C. and Mabel L. Criss Library
University of Nebraska at Omaha

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Jenkins, Laverne | 15 May 20:44
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Re: Call No. For DVD movies based on printed titles

I would class it in 791.4372.

Laverne C. Jenkins , Librarian
Cuyahoga Community College 
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(Jumping the gun on Friday.)

Jack Hall asked, "Is Clueless to be classed with Austen's Emma, for
example?"

If you took it to that extreme, you might end up with The Lion King classed
with Hamlet, but The Lion King II: Simba's Pride classed with Romeo and
Juliet.  :-)

Angela Kroeger
akroeger@...
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Angela Kroeger | 15 May 21:07
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Laverne C. Jenkins wrote, "I would class it in 791.4372."

I was actually just joking, remembering a review that referred to The Lion
King as "Hamlet with animals." I would never seriously class it with
Shakespeare. My library doesn't collect animated films or popular movies,
but if for some weird reason we did get a Disney movie, I'd probably put it
in PN1997 with other motion pictures.

Angela Kroeger
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Dr. C.C. and Mabel L. Criss Library
University of Nebraska at Omaha

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Jenkins, Laverne | 15 May 20:51
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I agree, but what concerns me more is the possibility/probability of
students opting to watch the movie when an instructor has assigned a
particular book be read. I guess I shouldn't be concerned with students
who look for shortcuts, but I don't think we should feed the notion that
the movie is the same as the book because they are classed together.

Laverne  

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I wonder about that (not that I doubt your public service people's 
veracity!!). I don't think most people even know that a particular 
movie is made from a book,  or from what book, in most cases. Some 
are from novels (some famous, some not), some from plays, some from 
original screenplays (and where to class them?), some purport to be 
based on real life (biopics such as Walk the Line), and I think most 
patrons just think of nearly all of them as movies and would rather 
browse by title.

I don't think there's anything wrong with classing those made from 
books with the book, but in many cases it will take extra work on the 
cataloger's part to determine whether it is based on a book (and how 
closely, anyway?), and what the book is. Is Clueless to be classed 
with Austen's Emma, for example?

Jack
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Pochi, Alan | 15 May 21:13
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But in some cases, putting aside whatever dialogue cuts may have been
made, many filmings are reasonably true to the original, even with
anachronistic staging--which, of course, never occurs in the theater
itself ;-) 

OTOH, trying to determine which films can justifiably be kept with the
"originals" would keep your in-house film/theater/literature
selectors/critics busy...

Alan Pochi
Cataloger
Austin (TX) Public Library
512-974-7395
Alan.Pochi@...

> 
> I agree, but what concerns me more is the 
> possibility/probability of students opting to watch the movie 
> when an instructor has assigned a particular book be read. I 
> guess I shouldn't be concerned with students who look for 
> shortcuts, but I don't think we should feed the notion that 
> the movie is the same as the book because they are classed together.
> 
> Laverne  

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