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Karl Kleinpaste | 1 Feb 2000 14:58

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Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

Pieter Wenk <pwenk <at> urbanet.ch> writes:
> Thanks for the above. Below please find the entry:

Uh.

> ("nntp+news.urbanet.ch:fr.soc.politique" 3
...
>   (reply 13167)
...
> As you can see, I have no ### ### ### in reply. And the A marking
> is still not working....

By "###", I meant sets of article numbers, not literal "###".

You have such a list, but it's got just one article noted as having
been the object of a reply, article 13167.  If you've actually replied
to more than this, then something has induced the destruction of the
rest of the reply list.

I can't explain that; I've never seen it happen, in any version of Gnus.

> How to correct ?

You can edit the reply list under `G E' yourself, if you want to
re-add those article numbers to which you know you've replied.  But I
know this is neither an obvious list nor an easy one to generate.

Jason L Tibbitts III | 2 Feb 2000 17:15

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Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

>>>>> "KK" == Karl Kleinpaste <karl <at> justresearch.com> writes:

KK> If you've actually replied to more than this, then something has
KK> induced the destruction of the rest of the reply list.

KK> I can't explain that; I've never seen it happen, in any version of
KK> Gnus.

This happens to me way too often (once a week at least; occasionally it
happens multiple times per day).  Sometimes the reply list is nuked,
sometimes it's the 'tick' list; the latter is especially painful because if
expiry kicks in then I can permanently lose mail.  What happens is that I
tick a message, leave the group and later come back to see that only that
most recently ticked message is still there.  I cannot correlate this with
any other activity or any specific configuration settings.

I have resorted to backing up .newsrc.eld a few times a day and manually
pasting the reply and tick lists back in when they disappear.

 - J<

Dan Christensen | 7 Feb 2000 21:36

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs <at> math.uh.edu> writes:
> This happens to me way too often (once a week at least; occasionally it
> happens multiple times per day).  Sometimes the reply list is nuked,
> sometimes it's the 'tick' list; the latter is especially painful because if
> expiry kicks in then I can permanently lose mail.  What happens is that I
> tick a message, leave the group and later come back to see that only that
> most recently ticked message is still there.  I cannot correlate this with
> any other activity or any specific configuration settings.

Do you have any virtual groups?  I had similar problems when I had a
virtual group.  I reported in a message to this list problems with
expiry, but I think similar problems occurred with other message
attributes.

Dan

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jdc <at> math.jhu.edu

Jason L Tibbitts III | 8 Feb 2000 00:57

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>>>>> "DC" == Dan Christensen <jdc <at> jhu.edu> writes:

DC> Do you have any virtual groups?

No; just nntp and nnml groups.  (The problem happens in both.)

And I've had another mail-losing issue.  I was about 1000 messages behind
in this list, reading a chunk at a time by answering with a smaller number
when prompted for the number of articles to read while entering the group.
Suddenly there were no unread messages even though there should have been
several hundred; Gnus just lost track of them.  I am certain that I did not
do a catchup.

Unfortunately since I cannot duplicate any of these problems at will I'm
resigned to deal with them.

 - J<

Toby Speight | 3 Feb 2000 12:06

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Jason> Jason L. Tibbitts, III <URL:mailto:tibbs <at> math.uh.edu>

0> In article <ufa4sbrvaw8.fsf <at> epithumia.math.uh.edu>, Jason wrote:

Jason> This happens to me way too often (once a week at least;
Jason> occasionally it happens multiple times per day).  Sometimes
Jason> the reply list is nuked, sometimes it's the 'tick' list; the
Jason> latter is especially painful because if expiry kicks in then
Jason> I can permanently lose mail.  What happens is that I tick a
Jason> message, leave the group and later come back to see that
Jason> only that most recently ticked message is still there.

I had a similar experience.  It turned out that I had a
`gnus-summary-exit-hook' which left a different buffer selected;
wrapping it in `save-excursion' fixed it.

Jason L Tibbitts III | 3 Feb 2000 18:08

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>>>>> "TS" == Toby Speight <Toby.Speight <at> streapadair.freeserve.co.uk> writes:

TS> I had a similar experience.  It turned out that I had a
TS> `gnus-summary-exit-hook' which left a different buffer selected;
TS> wrapping it in `save-excursion' fixed it.

The only vaguely hookish things I have set up are

(add-hook 'news-inews-hook 'ispell-message)
(remove-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-exit-hook 'gnus-summary-expire-articles)

 - J<

Pieter Wenk | 3 Feb 2000 09:17

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Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

On mer, 02 fév 2000, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

>>>>>> "KK" == Karl Kleinpaste <karl <at> justresearch.com> writes:
>
>KK> If you've actually replied to more than this, then something has
>KK> induced the destruction of the rest of the reply list.
>
>KK> I can't explain that; I've never seen it happen, in any version of
>KK> Gnus.
>
>This happens to me way too often (once a week at least; occasionally it
>happens multiple times per day).  Sometimes the reply list is nuked,
>sometimes it's the 'tick' list; the latter is especially painful because if
>expiry kicks in then I can permanently lose mail.  What happens is that I
>tick a message, leave the group and later come back to see that only that
>most recently ticked message is still there.  I cannot correlate this with
>any other activity or any specific configuration settings.
>
>I have resorted to backing up .newsrc.eld a few times a day and manually
>pasting the reply and tick lists back in when they disappear.

A few days ago, I have sent a similar message to this group
exactly for the same subject. Now I start to understand, why
messages are just wanishing.

I thought gnus to be a reliable NR...but with such behaviors, 
it will become akward to be used.

Is this a bug ?

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David S. Goldberg | 2 Feb 2000 17:40

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That's bizarre.  I've never seen this happen that regularly.  You're
not accidentally hitting M-c while point is on a group?  That's the
only way I've known to have it happen to me.
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Pieter Wenk | 3 Feb 2000 09:19

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On mer, 02 fév 2000, David S. Goldberg wrote:

>That's bizarre.  I've never seen this happen that regularly.  You're
>not accidentally hitting M-c while point is on a group?  That's the
>only way I've known to have it happen to me.

With regards to me. No I am not hitting accidently M-c when in the
group buffer...

Regards

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Jason L Tibbitts III | 2 Feb 2000 21:47

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>>>>> "DSG" == David S Goldberg <dsg <at> mitre.org> writes:

DSG> That's bizarre.  I've never seen this happen that regularly.  You're
DSG> not accidentally hitting M-c while point is on a group?

I really doubt it, but the next time it happens I'll check the keystroke
log to make doubly sure.

 - J<

Pieter Wenk | 2 Feb 2000 10:35

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On mar, 01 fév 2000, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:

>Pieter Wenk <pwenk <at> urbanet.ch> writes:
>> Thanks for the above. Below please find the entry:
>
>Uh.
>
>> ("nntp+news.urbanet.ch:fr.soc.politique" 3
>...
>>   (reply 13167)
>...
>> As you can see, I have no ### ### ### in reply. And the A marking
>> is still not working....
>
>By "###", I meant sets of article numbers, not literal "###".
>
>You have such a list, but it's got just one article noted as having
>been the object of a reply, article 13167.  If you've actually replied
>to more than this, then something has induced the destruction of the
>rest of the reply list.

Yes. I have definitely replied by far more than only this single
answer.

>I can't explain that; I've never seen it happen, in any version of Gnus.
>
>> How to correct ?
>
>You can edit the reply list under `G E' yourself, if you want to
>re-add those article numbers to which you know you've replied.  But I

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