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Kenneth Jacker | 29 Jun 00:19

Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

I decided to upgrade my office machine to the newest Ubuntu (8.04/Hardy).

Unfortunately, 'gnus' failed to work from the very start (problems
with 'gnus-load', ...).

Does anyone have Gnus running with Emacs22 on Ubuntu?

I removed Emacs22 and installed Emacs21 and Gnus is usable (it is what
I'm using now to post this article), but doesn't seem quite right".

Thanks for any ideas!
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Prof Kenneth H Jacker       khj <at> cs.appstate.edu
Computer Science Dept       www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj
Appalachian State Univ
Boone, NC  28608  USA
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mike.rosset+gnus | 29 Jun 05:23

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus


Kenneth:

Try running with "emacs --debug-init" and the check the *messages*
buffer. This should give you a better Idea as to whats going wrong.

Mike
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Allan | 29 Jun 06:57

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

Kenneth Jacker <khj <at> be.cs.appstate.edu> writes:

> I decided to upgrade my office machine to the newest Ubuntu (8.04/Hardy).
>
> Unfortunately, 'gnus' failed to work from the very start (problems
> with 'gnus-load', ...).
>
> Does anyone have Gnus running with Emacs22 on Ubuntu?
>
> I removed Emacs22 and installed Emacs21 and Gnus is usable (it is what
> I'm using now to post this article), but doesn't seem quite right".
Hi, Prof. Jacker. I notice that the gnus version 5.11 which you are
posting with is the same as in Emacs 22.2.1 (on Windows XP). Do you
know what version of gnus comes with the Ubuntu update?

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Sven Joachim | 29 Jun 08:00

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

On 2008-06-29 00:20 +0200, Kenneth Jacker wrote:

> I decided to upgrade my office machine to the newest Ubuntu (8.04/Hardy).
>
> Unfortunately, 'gnus' failed to work from the very start (problems
> with 'gnus-load', ...).

The Gnus in Ubuntu is not byte-compiled for the emacs22 package, so
Emacs will use the one that comes with Emacs which may lack some
feature that you want in your .gnus.el.  See
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnus/+bug/133621.

> Does anyone have Gnus running with Emacs22 on Ubuntu?
>
> I removed Emacs22 and installed Emacs21 and Gnus is usable (it is what
> I'm using now to post this article), but doesn't seem quite right".

Forget about the Gnus that comes with Ubuntu, it is completely
unmaintained, very outdated and lacks documentation
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnus/+bug/227925).

See http://gnus.org/distribution.html how to get a newer version.

Sven
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Richard G Riley | 29 Jun 16:17

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de> writes:

> On 2008-06-29 00:20 +0200, Kenneth Jacker wrote:
>
>> I decided to upgrade my office machine to the newest Ubuntu (8.04/Hardy).
>>
>> Unfortunately, 'gnus' failed to work from the very start (problems
>> with 'gnus-load', ...).
>
> The Gnus in Ubuntu is not byte-compiled for the emacs22 package, so
> Emacs will use the one that comes with Emacs which may lack some
> feature that you want in your .gnus.el.  See
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnus/+bug/133621.
>
>> Does anyone have Gnus running with Emacs22 on Ubuntu?
>>
>> I removed Emacs22 and installed Emacs21 and Gnus is usable (it is what
>> I'm using now to post this article), but doesn't seem quite right".
>
> Forget about the Gnus that comes with Ubuntu, it is completely
> unmaintained, very outdated and lacks documentation
> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnus/+bug/227925).
>
> See http://gnus.org/distribution.html how to get a newer version.
>
> Sven

Ubuntu, like Debian, uses some munged site-lips/autoload system from what
I can gather and installing from source is not that straightforward. I
may be wrong and things have changed. Just a heads up on that one and
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Kenneth Jacker | 29 Jun 23:11

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

  sven> Forget about the Gnus that comes with Ubuntu, it is completely
  sven> unmaintained, very outdated and lacks documentation

  sven> See http://gnus.org/distribution.html how to get a newer version.

OK, I'm now successfully running Emacs22 and Gnus (gnus-5.10.10.tar.gz).

Thanks to everyone who replied to my "plea for help"!

  -Kenneth

PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
    that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...
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David Kastrup | 30 Jun 08:51
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Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

Kenneth Jacker <khj <at> be.cs.appstate.edu> writes:

>   sven> Forget about the Gnus that comes with Ubuntu, it is completely
>   sven> unmaintained, very outdated and lacks documentation
>
>   sven> See http://gnus.org/distribution.html how to get a newer version.
>
> OK, I'm now successfully running Emacs22 and Gnus (gnus-5.10.10.tar.gz).
>
> Thanks to everyone who replied to my "plea for help"!
>
>   -Kenneth
>
> PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
>     that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...

Why don't you just use the Gnus that is part of Emacs 22?

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Kenneth Jacker | 30 Jun 20:02

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  >> PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
  >> that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...

  dak> Why don't you just use the Gnus that is part of Emacs 22?

That's what I did the first time ... it didn't work ...

Are you using it?  What version is it?

  -Kenneth
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David Kastrup | 30 Jun 21:25
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Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

Kenneth Jacker <khj <at> be.cs.appstate.edu> writes:

>   >> PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
>   >> that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...
>
>   dak> Why don't you just use the Gnus that is part of Emacs 22?
>
> That's what I did the first time ... it didn't work ...
>
> Are you using it?  What version is it?

Well, I am using developer versions of Emacs, anyway.  But I don't
remember anything wrong with gnus before we forked off the Emacs 22
release branch.

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Peter Smerdon | 1 Jul 17:04

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

Kenneth Jacker <khj <at> be.cs.appstate.edu> writes:

>   >> PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
>   >> that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...
>
>   dak> Why don't you just use the Gnus that is part of Emacs 22?
>
> That's what I did the first time ... it didn't work ...
>
> Are you using it?  What version is it?
>
>   -Kenneth

Kenneth, FWIW, I used the Gnus version bundled with the ubuntu emacs22
package with no problems, and am currently using the ubuntu
emacs-snapshot package, which also contains gnus, again with no
problems. As dak pointed out there seems to be no need now to install a
stand alone gnus, the tramp package I think also falls into this
category.

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Kenneth Jacker | 1 Jul 17:33

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

  ps> FWIW, I used the Gnus version bundled with the ubuntu emacs22
  ps> package with no problems, and am currently using the ubuntu
  ps> emacs-snapshot package, which also contains gnus, again with no
  ps> problems.

Hmmm ... I wonder why I couldn't get it to work?  Maybe I had some
"legacy" config options in ".emacs" and ".gnus.el" that messed things up.

  ps> As dak pointed out there seems to be no need now to install a
  ps> stand alone gnus, ...

OK, but I don't think I'll change my setup now ("if it's not broken, ...").

Assuming I remember ;-), I'll try using the Ubuntu-distributed version
next time.

  ps> ... the tramp package I think also falls into this category.

Yes, I noticed that it was now included ...

Thanks for your comments,

  -Kenneth
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