David Kastrup | 24 Mar 2005 01:47
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Mailing lists...


Hello,

I have now got all the mailing lists at gnu.org together and will
configure them in the next few days.  After thinking this over, I have
decided that I shall attempt to transfer all the subscriptions myself.
There are a few problems with this approach:

I am not actually the list owner of the AUCTeX mailing list (or if I
am, I don't know how to make use of it), but the moderator.  I can get
the subscription list, but I don't think I can change it.  I'll
probably try writing a script that will subscribe and unsubscribe
everyone by sending the respective mails to the list managing
software.  This will mean that you will get mails and have to
reconfirm both your unsubscription as well as your subscription.

I'll only transfer the auc-tex list, though: I think that few people
are actually subscribed to the preview-latex-only lists without being
subscribed to AUCTeX as well.  I'll redirect the preview-latex-bugs
list to bug-auctex, and the preview-latex-devel list to auctex-devel.
I think it would make sense to remove the preview-related groups from
gmane altogether: they are already archived at Sourceforge, and people
that look into the then stagnant gmane groups might get the wrong
impression that the project has died.  Of course, not finding any
preview-latex specific group any more might lead to a similar
conclusion.  Sigh.  Maybe one can have a group that only contains a
single article pointing to where one should look instead?

I think Reiner might manage telling the Gmane people what groups to
create and how: he certainly has shown the largest amount of clue
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Reiner Steib | 24 Mar 2005 18:38
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Re: Mailing lists...

On Thu, Mar 24 2005, David Kastrup wrote:

> I think it would make sense to remove the preview-related groups from
> gmane altogether: they are already archived at Sourceforge, 

Well, compared to Gmane, the archive at SF sucks.

> and people that look into the then stagnant gmane groups might get the
> wrong impression that the project has died.  Of course, not finding
> any preview-latex specific group any more might lead to a similar
> conclusion.  Sigh.  Maybe one can have a group that only contains a
> single article pointing to where one should look instead?

_If_ you really want to close gmane.emacs.latex.preview.{devel,bugs},
I would suggest to import those messages into the new Gmane groups.
Gmane allows importing and exporting of archives so transferring from
one groups to another should be possible.

One bad side effect of removing the g.e.l.preview.* (and g.e.auc-tex?)
would be that URLs to discussions will break.  Bad.

I would propose:

- Keep the current (=old) Gmane groups.

- Create the new mailing lists and request corresponding Gmane groups:
  gmane.emacs.auctex.{general,devel,announce,bugs}
  (g.e.a.commits (auctex-diffs) and g.e.a.cvs (auctex-commit) later as
  you suggested below).

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Ralf Angeli | 25 Mar 2005 12:11
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Re: Mailing lists...

* Reiner Steib (2005-03-24) writes:

> On Thu, Mar 24 2005, David Kastrup wrote:
>
>> I think it would make sense to remove the preview-related groups from
>> gmane altogether: they are already archived at Sourceforge, 
>
> Well, compared to Gmane, the archive at SF sucks.

What I like very much about the web interface for reading is that you
can use the same key bindings as in Gnus, e.g. SPC or `n'. (c:

However, the search capabilities on search.gmane.org are very limited,
so in case I am searching for older messages and need more
flexibility, I use rain.gmane.org instead.  Hopefully this will become
the regular search soon.

> Yes, I can do this.  The lists are not yet visible on Savannah[1].  As
> already suggested previously[2], I will request the following groups on
> Gmane:
>
> auctex   	gmane.emacs.auctex.general      General discussion about AUCTeX
> bug-auctex	gmane.emacs.auctex.bugs         Bug reports on AUCTeX

Better "Bug reports for AUCTeX"?

> auctex-commit   gmane.emacs.auctex.commits      Commits to the AUCTeX repository (read-only)
> auctex-diffs    gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs          AUCTeX commit messages (read-only)

Hm, Emacs has gmane.emacs.cvs for commit notifications (emacs-commit
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Reiner Steib | 25 Mar 2005 13:09
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Re: Mailing lists...

On Fri, Mar 25 2005, Ralf Angeli wrote:

> * Reiner Steib (2005-03-24) writes:
[...]
>> Well, compared to Gmane, the archive at SF sucks.
>
> What I like very much about the web interface for reading is that you
> can use the same key bindings as in Gnus, e.g. SPC or `n'. (c:

It is Gnus implemented in JavaScript.  ;-)

> However, the search capabilities on search.gmane.org are very limited,
> so in case I am searching for older messages and need more
> flexibility, I use rain.gmane.org instead.  Hopefully this will become
> the regular search soon.

ACK.

>> bug-auctex	gmane.emacs.auctex.bugs         Bug reports on AUCTeX
>
> Better "Bug reports for AUCTeX"?

Yes.

>> auctex-commit   gmane.emacs.auctex.commits      Commits to the AUCTeX repository (read-only)
>> auctex-diffs    gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs          AUCTeX commit messages (read-only)
>
> Hm, Emacs has gmane.emacs.cvs for commit notifications (emacs-commit
> mailing list) and gmane.emacs.diffs for commits with diffs
> (emacs-diffs mailing list).  This doesn't seem to be handled uniformly
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Reiner Steib | 12 Apr 2005 15:54
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Re: Mailing lists...

On Fri, Mar 25 2005, Reiner Steib wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25 2005, Ralf Angeli wrote:
>
>> * Reiner Steib (2005-03-24) writes:
> [...]
>>> auctex-commit   gmane.emacs.auctex.commits      Commits to the AUCTeX repository (read-only)
>>> auctex-diffs    gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs          AUCTeX commit messages (read-only)
>>
>> Hm, Emacs has gmane.emacs.cvs for commit notifications (emacs-commit
>> mailing list) and gmane.emacs.diffs for commits with diffs
>> (emacs-diffs mailing list).  This doesn't seem to be handled uniformly
>> across the lists on Gmane.  Personally I like your proposal better.
>
> I guess my proposal was based on gmane.emacs.gnus.{commits,cvs}.
>
>> We could make the distinction more clear with descriptions like
>> "AUCTeX CVS commit notifications" for gmane.emacs.auctex.commits and
>> "AUCTeX CVS commit messages with diffs" for gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs.

I.e. we would have:
auctex-commit gmane.emacs.auctex.commits AUCTeX CVS commit notifications
auctex-diffs  gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs     AUCTeX CVS commit messages with diffs

> Fine with me.

Reading your proposal more carefully, I found that I would like
gea.cvs *without* patches and the other group with patches:
".diffs" seems to be more clear than ".commits".  WDYT?

auctex-commit gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs     AUCTeX CVS commit notifications
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David Kastrup | 12 Apr 2005 16:59
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Re: Re: Mailing lists...

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc> writes:

> On Fri, Mar 25 2005, Reiner Steib wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 25 2005, Ralf Angeli wrote:
>>
>>> * Reiner Steib (2005-03-24) writes:
>> [...]
>>>> auctex-commit   gmane.emacs.auctex.commits      Commits to the AUCTeX repository (read-only)
>>>> auctex-diffs    gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs          AUCTeX commit messages (read-only)
>>>
>>> Hm, Emacs has gmane.emacs.cvs for commit notifications (emacs-commit
>>> mailing list) and gmane.emacs.diffs for commits with diffs
>>> (emacs-diffs mailing list).  This doesn't seem to be handled uniformly
>>> across the lists on Gmane.  Personally I like your proposal better.
>>
>> I guess my proposal was based on gmane.emacs.gnus.{commits,cvs}.
>
> I.e. we would have:
> auctex-commit gmane.emacs.auctex.commits AUCTeX CVS commit notifications
> auctex-diffs  gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs     AUCTeX CVS commit messages with diffs
>
>> Fine with me.
>
> Reading your proposal more carefully, I found that I would like
> gea.cvs *without* patches and the other group with patches:
> ".diffs" seems to be more clear than ".commits".  WDYT?
>
> auctex-commit gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs     AUCTeX CVS commit notifications
> auctex-diffs  gmane.emacs.auctex.diffs   AUCTeX CVS commit messages with diffs

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Reiner Steib | 14 Apr 2005 21:41
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Re: Mailing lists...

On Tue, Apr 12 2005, David Kastrup wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc> writes:
[...]
>> Reading your proposal more carefully, I found that I would like
>> gea.cvs *without* patches and the other group with patches:
>> ".diffs" seems to be more clear than ".commits".  WDYT?
>>
>> auctex-commit gmane.emacs.auctex.cvs     AUCTeX CVS commit notifications
>> auctex-diffs  gmane.emacs.auctex.diffs   AUCTeX CVS commit messages with diffs
>
> This is the way it is done with Emacs.  Since Emacs is also on
> Savannah and thus the respective mails carry identical content (I
> don't know about Gnus), 

The Gnus CVS list are different.  The naming scheme of ".commits"
might be a historical accident.  Once Lars even deleted geg.commits
because he thought it's the same as geg.cvs. :-)

> it would make sense to also choose the same categories.  And when in
> doubt, we should keep closer to Emacs than Gnus as our primary
> association.
>
> So while I don't feel strongly about this, I think that the Emacs
> scheme is slightly nicer.

I've requested the groups as suggested above on Gmane.

If possible, could you add "Mail-Followup-To: auctex-devel <at> gnu.org"
header to the lists?
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