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David Raleigh Arnold | 29 Apr 2007 15:28

Scrollbar Left Side

It should be obvious that it is better to have the vertical scrollbar
on the left side, because there is more text on the left side than
the right and because it is more common to want to access the beginning
of a line than the end.  Bill Gates puts scrollbars on the right so that
the window will seem more like the page of a written book.  This makes
no sense, but it's done that way so that windows users won't be afraid.

That's fine.  Why can't I persuade xemacs to put the vertical scrollbar
on the left side, where I want it?  I can't find any option, or
documentation for one, anywhere on the xemacs web site.

There is a way with emacs, but it's not in their menus either.  daveA

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Didier Verna | 2 May 2007 10:01
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Re: Scrollbar Left Side

David Raleigh Arnold <dra <at> openguitar.com> wrote:

> It should be obvious that it is better to have the vertical scrollbar
> on the left side, because there is more text on the left side than the
> right and because it is more common to want to access the beginning of
> a line than the end.

        It should be obvious that it is better to have no scrollbar,
because it makes your hands move away from the keyboard. :-)

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Glynn Clements | 2 May 2007 10:39

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Didier Verna wrote:

> > It should be obvious that it is better to have the vertical scrollbar
> > on the left side, because there is more text on the left side than the
> > right and because it is more common to want to access the beginning of
> > a line than the end.
> 
>         It should be obvious that it is better to have no scrollbar,
> because it makes your hands move away from the keyboard. :-)

Scrollbars aren't just for scrolling. I find that they provide a more
natural indication of which portion of the buffer you're viewing than
do the numbers in the modeline.

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Olivier Galibert | 30 Apr 2007 20:12
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Re: Scrollbar Left Side

On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 09:28:33AM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> It should be obvious that it is better to have the vertical scrollbar
> on the left side, because there is more text on the left side than
> the right and because it is more common to want to access the beginning
> of a line than the end.

Have you done an ergonomics study?  Are you actually competent in
ergonomics?  Did your study take scrollwheels into account?

> Bill Gates puts scrollbars on the right so that
> the window will seem more like the page of a written book.  This makes
> no sense, but it's done that way so that windows users won't be afraid.

Nice history revisionism there.

> That's fine.  Why can't I persuade xemacs to put the vertical scrollbar
> on the left side, where I want it?  I can't find any option, or
> documentation for one, anywhere on the xemacs web site.

M-: (set-specifier scrollbar-on-left-p t)

There doesn't seem to be an easy way to reach it.  You can put the
command in your .xemacs/init.el and be happy though.

  OG.
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Stephen J. Turnbull | 30 Apr 2007 20:21
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Scrollbar Left Side

xemacs-news is dead; long live comp.emacs.xemacs.

David Raleigh Arnold writes:

 > It should be obvious that it is better to have the vertical scrollbar
 > on the left side,

Actually, it's quite obvious that it's not *better*.  Tastes differ,
that's all.  The option is available, but nobody asks about it, though
it's somewhat obscure.

 > That's fine.  Why can't I persuade xemacs to put the vertical scrollbar
 > on the left side, where I want it?

M-: (set-specifier scrollbar-on-left-p t) RET
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Rodney Sparapani | 3 May 2007 16:25
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Submissions broken from gmane?

Hi Stephen:

I read xemacs-beta on gmane because I like newsgroups much better
than mailing lists.  However, I submitted two articles the last couple
of days that did not make it back to me.  So, could you check the
filters to see if the problem is on your end?  If not, then I guess
the problem must be at gmane.

Thanks,

Rodney
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