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Ian D Wilson | 1 Dec 2009 18:57

RE: Interminable 18XX

So, is it possible for all players to go not-quite-bankrupt in 1841?

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Subject: RE: [18xx] Interminable 18XX
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Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 14:52

  

Steve,

I realize David did not say that--but pretending he did made it funnier (I guess that makes me a toon--like
Roger Rabbit).

The first time I played 1841 one of the players had to sell off all his stock to buy a train. He ended up with 3L,
just short of bankruptcy. So he could not restart with 500L, he could never buy a share of stock. He just had
to sit there (it was a tournament). It has not indefinite but I bet it felt interminable.

Technically, I suppose he should have been at the table to say "pass" every time it was his turn in the SR. In
reality, we just called the game--tournament or no.

-Bruce

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Vesa-Pekka Palmu | 1 Dec 2009 19:34
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RE: Interminable 18XX

On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Ian D Wilson wrote:

> So, is it possible for all players to go not-quite-bankrupt in 1841?
>

I think it might be possible, needs a company owned by another company
that is owned by a player to buy the train that triggers the train-rusting
that triggers the bankrubsies, so that none of the companies under direct
player control will have a train ;)

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Ricky Gray | 1 Dec 2009 20:17

Multiple Stations on a tile by same corporation

I was just casually reading the 1832 rules when I noticed that there is no
rule prohibiting a corporation placing multiple station tokens on a single
tile (not in the same OR, of course).  A quick and non-thorough search
revealed that the same is true in the rules for 18GL and 1826 (18TN, 18GA,
1846, 18Scan, and others do specifically prohibit it).  Is this simply an
oversight, or is it intentional?  

Thanks,

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David G.D. Hecht | 1 Dec 2009 22:23
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Re: Multiple Stations on a tile by same corporation


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>I was just casually reading the 1832 rules when I noticed that there is no
> rule prohibiting a corporation placing multiple station tokens on a single
> tile (not in the same OR, of course).  A quick and non-thorough search
> revealed that the same is true in the rules for 18GL and 1826 (18TN, 18GA,
> 1846, 18Scan, and others do specifically prohibit it).  Is this simply an
> oversight, or is it intentional?
>

An unfortunate oversight in the 26 rules, unintentionally perpetuated into 
the GL ones. 

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Ricky Gray | 2 Dec 2009 14:31

RE: Multiple Stations on a tile by same corporation

Thanks, David.  I figured as much, and Stephen's comments make it clear that
it would not otherwise be possible by the rules as written.  Just a
curiosity.

Ricky

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>I was just casually reading the 1832 rules when I noticed that there is no
> rule prohibiting a corporation placing multiple station tokens on a single
> tile (not in the same OR, of course). A quick and non-thorough search
> revealed that the same is true in the rules for 18GL and 1826 (18TN, 18GA,
> 1846, 18Scan, and others do specifically prohibit it). Is this simply an
> oversight, or is it intentional?
>

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Stephen Webb | 2 Dec 2009 08:56
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Re: Multiple Stations on a tile by same corporation

I don't know about the other games but 1826 covers this.

Under Additional Token Placement, this is permitted "in any open City
to which it may legally run from one of its existing tokens".

Under Train Operation and Earnings Calculation "a train amy not run more
than once to the same City..."

By extension, if you start in a a City with one of your existing tokens and
obey the placement rule, you cannot place a token in the same city.

Stephen Webb

2009/12/1 Ricky Gray <regray8@...>

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>
> I was just casually reading the 1832 rules when I noticed that there is no
> rule prohibiting a corporation placing multiple station tokens on a single
> tile (not in the same OR, of course). A quick and non-thorough search
> revealed that the same is true in the rules for 18GL and 1826 (18TN, 18GA,
> 1846, 18Scan, and others do specifically prohibit it). Is this simply an
> oversight, or is it intentional?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ricky
>
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JC Lawrence | 2 Dec 2009 09:07
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Re: Multiple Stations on a tile by same corporation

That doesn't cover the exception of Double-Os and other multiple-city  
tiles.

-- JCL

On 1 Dec 2009, at 23:56 , Stephen Webb wrote:

> I don't know about the other games but 1826 covers this.
>
>
> Under Additional Token Placement, this is permitted "in any open City
> to which it may legally run from one of its existing tokens".
>
> Under Train Operation and Earnings Calculation "a train amy not run  
> more
> than once to the same City..."
>
> By extension, if you start in a a City with one of your existing  
> tokens and
> obey the placement rule, you cannot place a token in the same city.
>
> Stephen Webb
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>
> 2009/12/1 Ricky Gray <regray8@...>
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>> I was just casually reading the 1832 rules when I noticed that  
>> there is no
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Stephen Webb | 2 Dec 2009 10:23
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Re: Multiple Stations on a tile by same corporation

Which don't exist in 1826!

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2009/12/2 JC Lawrence <claw@...>

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> That doesn't cover the exception of Double-Os and other multiple-city
> tiles.
>
> -- JCL
>
> On 1 Dec 2009, at 23:56 , Stephen Webb wrote:
>
> > I don't know about the other games but 1826 covers this.
> >
> >
> > Under Additional Token Placement, this is permitted "in any open City
> > to which it may legally run from one of its existing tokens".
> >
> > Under Train Operation and Earnings Calculation "a train amy not run
> > more
> > than once to the same City..."
> >
> > By extension, if you start in a a City with one of your existing
> > tokens and
> > obey the placement rule, you cannot place a token in the same city.
> >
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Ricky Gray | 2 Dec 2009 14:27

RE: Multiple Stations on a tile by same corporation

It makes sense that in practice one would find it not possible to play
multiple stations on the same tile in 1826 because of the way the map and
tiles are, etc.  However, since it is a standard rule (it is, isn't it?), it
seems to make more sense to simply include a brief statement in the token
placement rules so there is no doubt.

At any rate, it was just a drive-by discovery.  Thanks for all the input!

Ricky

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I don't know about the other games but 1826 covers this.

Under Additional Token Placement, this is permitted "in any open City to
which it may legally run from one of its existing tokens".

Under Train Operation and Earnings Calculation "a train amy not run more
than once to the same City..."

By extension, if you start in a a City with one of your existing tokens and
obey the placement rule, you cannot place a token in the same city.

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Steve Thomas | 2 Dec 2009 14:47

Re: Multiple Stations on a tile by same corporation

> It makes sense that in practice one would find it not possible to play
> multiple stations on the same tile in 1826 because of the way the map and
> tiles are, etc. However, since it is a standard rule (it is, isn't it?), 
> it
> seems to make more sense to simply include a brief statement in the token
> placement rules so there is no doubt.

In 1826, along with a quite a few other games, it is possible to have 
multiple tokens of one company in the same hex.  In the case of 1826, if 
several companies with Paris tokens merge together (into the Etat or the 
SNCF) then they stay there.  But, as in most if not all games, it's 
generally prohibited to place a token, during the normal token-laying step, 
on a hex which already has one of that company's stations.

Long and bitter experience suggests, though, that most of us are far, far 
better at picking up subtle consequences of widely-scattered rules than we 
are at spotting clear and unambigous statements in the obvious part of the 
rules set.  Perhaps that's why the latter aren't as common as one might 
naively have expected.

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