Raphael Bossek | 25 Aug 2011 14:36
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SIP SIMPLE: "do not disturb" interoperability

Dear IETF BLISS,

 

Just one sentence about me and ESTOS GmbH (http://www.estos.com) , the company I’m working for. I’m looking for a standard compliant solution for instant messaging exchange the “do not disturb”/DND presence information between clients – if possible without introduction of new tags or values. ESTOS GmbH is a software manufacturer for unified communication and collaboration products and depends heavily on standards for interoperability with PBX and phone manufactures.

 

I’ve studied the RFC 4479 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4479#page-13 ) chapter “Reach Information” at page 13: “It is also possible for a presence document to contain a service that has no reach information at all.  In such a case, the presentity is indicating that the service exists, but is electing not to offer the watcher the opportunity to connect to it.”

 

The example from RFC 4480 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4480#page-19 ) chapter “Example” at page 13 describe a “do not disturb” case: “<contact priority="0.8">im:someone <at> mobile.example.net</contact>”

 

As conclusion we could say that “do not disturb” is set if

n  Contact address for a <tuple> is missing (refer to RFC 4479) or

n  The priority for the contact address within a service is less than 1.0 (refer to RFC 4480)

 

What do you thing about this interpretation?

 

I would like to fixating that officially but I’m not confirm with the IEFT process. Should this discussion be continued at https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2008-April/018968.html ?

 

At the end I would like to make a publication at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6057830/sip-simple-pidf-convention-for-do-not-disturb-dnd-presence-extension and some open source projects about the way to do. I have also contact to SEN OpenStage phone people. Maybe they will join this discussion.

 

Would appreciate to hear from you,

 




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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear IETF BLISS,<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Just one sentence about me and ESTOS GmbH (<a href="http://www.estos.com">http://www.estos.com</a>) , the company I&rsquo;m working for. I&rsquo;m looking for a standard compliant solution for instant messaging exchange the &ldquo;do not
 disturb&rdquo;/DND presence information between clients &ndash; if possible without introduction of new tags or values. ESTOS GmbH is a software manufacturer for unified communication and collaboration products and depends heavily on standards for interoperability with
 PBX and phone manufactures.<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I&rsquo;ve studied the RFC 4479 (<a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4479#page-13">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4479#page-13</a> ) chapter &ldquo;Reach Information&rdquo; at page 13: &ldquo;It is also possible for a presence document to
 contain a service that has no reach information at all.&nbsp; In such a case, the presentity is indicating that the service exists, but is electing not to offer the watcher the opportunity to connect to it.&rdquo;<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The example from RFC 4480 (<a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4480#page-19">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4480#page-19</a> ) chapter &ldquo;Example&rdquo; at page 13 describe a &ldquo;do not disturb&rdquo; case: &ldquo;&lt;contact priority="0.8"&gt;<a href="im:someone@...%3c/contact">im:someone <at> mobile.example.net&lt;/contact</a>&gt;&rdquo;<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As conclusion we could say that &ldquo;do not disturb&rdquo; is set if<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US"><span>n<span>&nbsp;
</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">Contact address for a &lt;tuple&gt; is missing (refer to RFC 4479) or<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US"><span>n<span>&nbsp;
</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">The priority for the contact address within a service is less than 1.0 (refer to RFC 4480)<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What do you thing about this interpretation?<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would like to fixating that officially but I&rsquo;m not confirm with the IEFT process. Should this discussion be continued at
<a href="https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2008-April/018968.html">
https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2008-April/018968.html</a> ?<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">At the end I would like to make a publication at
<a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6057830/sip-simple-pidf-convention-for-do-not-disturb-dnd-presence-extension">
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6057830/sip-simple-pidf-convention-for-do-not-disturb-dnd-presence-extension</a> and some open source projects about the way to do. I have also contact to SEN OpenStage phone people. Maybe they will join this discussion.<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Would appreciate to hear from you,<p></p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p>
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Shida Schubert | 6 Sep 2011 02:30
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Re: SIP SIMPLE: "do not disturb" interoperability


Raphael;

 Although we discussed DND in the past here at 
BLISS, there wasn't sufficient interest to progress 
the work here. 

 As you are mainly looking at DND in the context 
of presence, I think you may get a better feedback by 
posting this question to SIMPLE mailing list. 

 Regards
  Shida

On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Raphael Bossek wrote:

Dear IETF BLISS,

 

Just one sentence about me and ESTOS GmbH (http://www.estos.com) , the company I’m working for. I’m looking for a standard compliant solution for instant messaging exchange the “do not disturb”/DND presence information between clients – if possible without introduction of new tags or values. ESTOS GmbH is a software manufacturer for unified communication and collaboration products and depends heavily on standards for interoperability with PBX and phone manufactures.

 

I’ve studied the RFC 4479 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4479#page-13 ) chapter “Reach Information” at page 13: “It is also possible for a presence document to contain a service that has no reach information at all.  In such a case, the presentity is indicating that the service exists, but is electing not to offer the watcher the opportunity to connect to it.”

 

The example from RFC 4480 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4480#page-19 ) chapter “Example” at page 13 describe a “do not disturb” case: “<contact priority="0.8">im:someone-ebtOL7SC/HONm4O1oOknEaxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org</contact>”

 

As conclusion we could say that “do not disturb” is set if

n  Contact address for a <tuple> is missing (refer to RFC 4479) or

n  The priority for the contact address within a service is less than 1.0 (refer to RFC 4480)

 

What do you thing about this interpretation?

 

I would like to fixating that officially but I’m not confirm with the IEFT process. Should this discussion be continued at https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2008-April/018968.html ?

 

At the end I would like to make a publication athttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/6057830/sip-simple-pidf-convention-for-do-not-disturb-dnd-presence-extension and some open source projects about the way to do. I have also contact to SEN OpenStage phone people. Maybe they will join this discussion.

 

Would appreciate to hear from you,

 




i.A. Raphael Bossek
Software Architect

ESTOS GmbH
Petersbrunner Str. 3a
82319 Starnberg, Germany

Phone: +49 (8151) 36856-153
Fax: +49 (8151) 36856-853
Mobile: +49 (151) 59177535
 
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<div>Raphael;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>&nbsp;Although we discussed DND in the past here at&nbsp;</div>
<div>BLISS, there wasn't sufficient interest to progress&nbsp;</div>
<div>the work here.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>&nbsp;As you are mainly looking at DND in the context&nbsp;</div>
<div>of presence, I think you may get a better feedback by&nbsp;</div>
<div>posting this question to SIMPLE mailing list.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>&nbsp;Regards</div>
<div>&nbsp; Shida</div>
<br><div>
<div>On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Raphael Bossek wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span"><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div class="WordSection1">
<div><span lang="EN-US">Dear IETF BLISS,<p></p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">Just one sentence about me and ESTOS GmbH (<a href="http://www.estos.com">http://www.estos.com</a>) , the company I&rsquo;m working for. I&rsquo;m looking for a standard compliant solution for instant messaging exchange the &ldquo;do not disturb&rdquo;/DND presence information between clients &ndash; if possible without introduction of new tags or values. ESTOS GmbH is a software manufacturer for unified communication and collaboration products and depends heavily on standards for interoperability with PBX and phone manufactures.<p></p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">I&rsquo;ve studied the RFC 4479 (<a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4479#page-13">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4479#page-13</a><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>) chapter &ldquo;Reach Information&rdquo; at page 13: &ldquo;It is also possible for a presence document to contain a service that has no reach information at all.&nbsp; In such a case, the presentity is indicating that the service exists, but is electing not to offer the watcher the opportunity to connect to it.&rdquo;<p></p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">The example from RFC 4480 (<a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4480#page-19">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4480#page-19</a><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>) chapter &ldquo;Example&rdquo; at page 13 describe a &ldquo;do not disturb&rdquo; case: &ldquo;&lt;contact priority="0.8"&gt;<a href="im:someone@...%3c/contact">im:someone@...&lt;/contact</a>&gt;&rdquo;<p></p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">As conclusion we could say that &ldquo;do not disturb&rdquo; is set if<p></p></span></div>
<div>
<span lang="EN-US"><span>n<span>&nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">Contact address for a &lt;tuple&gt; is missing (refer to RFC 4479) or<p></p></span>
</div>
<div>
<span lang="EN-US"><span>n<span>&nbsp;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">The priority for the contact address within a service is less than 1.0 (refer to RFC 4480)<p></p></span>
</div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">What do you thing about this interpretation?<p></p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">I would like to fixating that officially but I&rsquo;m not confirm with the IEFT process. Should this discussion be continued at<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href="https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2008-April/018968.html">https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/sip-implementors/2008-April/018968.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>?<p></p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">At the end I would like to make a publication at<a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6057830/sip-simple-pidf-convention-for-do-not-disturb-dnd-presence-extension">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6057830/sip-simple-pidf-convention-for-do-not-disturb-dnd-presence-extension</a><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>and some open source projects about the way to do. I have also contact to SEN OpenStage phone people. Maybe they will join this discussion.<p></p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US">Would appreciate to hear from you,<p></p></span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-US"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></div>
</div>
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