John C Klensin | 2 Apr 23:53

Making progress on IDN

IDN WG participants,

In a separate note, I've expressed severe disagreement with Dave
Crocker's "stop discussing this, it is off topic" notes and
comments.  But I am in agreement with him as considering much of
the current discussion to be a useless waste of time.

With the understanding that the following is strictly my
personal opinion...

The charter fairly clearly does not extend to "fixing" mail, or
URLs, or HTTP, or Unicode.  Arguments that the proposed solution
won't work properly in those applications may be relevant, but
please either make new ones or see below.

Substantively, most of the current discussions are going around
in circles we have toured before.  They have either gotten
nowhere or been rejected.  Repeating the arguments doesn't
contribute to understanding, and doesn't seem to be convincing
anyone, nor does repeating explanations of why particular ideas
are infeasible or inappropriate seem to be convincing anyone.
That is a fairly strong argument for stopping the discussions.
It is, perhaps, an even stronger argument for not responding
when people try to bring the same old arguments up over and over
again.

Procedurally, the Co-chairs have sent the specs off to the IESG,
presumably with an assertion of consensus.    I am not
recommending this in any way, but, if people believe that
assertion is incorrect and no consensus exists or that the
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ben | 3 Apr 04:39

Re: Making progress on IDN

Many IDN WG participants actually do keep silent- they wait
patiently/politely for the day IDNs work... and wait... and wait...
and wait some more... and then still wait some more.... and wait...
and wait again...

I am sure glad that the IESG has a procedure/schedule to follow and
there is going to be an end to this.  (Whether the answer from the
IESG is "yes" or "no" really is not the point, YES OR NO IS FINE- I
JUST WANT AN ANSWER.)  Otherwise I am serious going to doing something
about changing the name from IETF to PGTF (Peanut Gallery Task Force.)

Thanks,
Ben

----- Original Message -----
From: "John C Klensin" <klensin <at> jck.com>
To: <idn <at> ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:53 PM
Subject: [idn] Making progress on IDN

> IDN WG participants,
>
> In a separate note, I've expressed severe disagreement with Dave
> Crocker's "stop discussing this, it is off topic" notes and
> comments.  But I am in agreement with him as considering much of
> the current discussion to be a useless waste of time.
>
> With the understanding that the following is strictly my
> personal opinion...
>
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