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media-type names and cotton?

Pete/All,

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

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Petrie, Glen | 18 Jun 2012 21:26

RE: media-type names and cotton?

Mike

 

Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?

 

Glen

 

 

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Pete/All,

 

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

 

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

 

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Ira McDonald | 18 Jun 2012 21:34
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Hi Glen,

The term 'stationery' in DPA/PWG/JDF means ordinary paper.

It can have suffixes like '-cotton' or '-linen'.  Adding cotton and linen
as top media type values would break compatibility (because suffixes
are automatically stripped in the matching rule).

Cheers,
- Ira

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On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Petrie, Glen
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> Mike
>
>
>
> Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so
> this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just
> cotton and linen?
>
>
>
> Glen
>
>
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>
>
>
> Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in
> MSN2?
>
>
>
> Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials,
> e.g., linen?
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Petrie, Glen | 18 Jun 2012 21:38

RE: media-type names and cotton?

Thanks Ira,

I believe you mean it "would not break" 

I am still uncomfortable with "ordinary-cotton paper" but most people (users, developers, etc) should
understand with little or no confusion.

Glen

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Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

Hi Glen,

The term 'stationery' in DPA/PWG/JDF means ordinary paper.

It can have suffixes like '-cotton' or '-linen'.  Adding cotton and linen
as top media type values would break compatibility (because suffixes
are automatically stripped in the matching rule).

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Petrie, Glen
<glen.petrie <at> eitc.epson.com> wrote:
> Mike
>
>
>
> Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so
> this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just
> cotton and linen?
>
>
>
> Glen
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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> Sweet
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> Cc: <ipp <at> pwg.org>
> Subject: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?
>
>
>
> Pete/All,
>
>
>
> Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in
> MSN2?
>
>
>
> Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials,
> e.g., linen?
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>
>
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Michael Sweet | 18 Jun 2012 21:40
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Re: media-type names and cotton?

Glen,

"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.

Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:

fabric
fabric-cotton
fabric-glossy
fabric-high-gloss
fabric-inkjet
fabric-linen
fabric-matte
fabric-semi-gloss
fabric-tweed
fabric-waterproof

however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.


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Mike

 

Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?

 

Glen

 

 

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Pete/All,

 

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

 

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

 

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Petrie, Glen | 18 Jun 2012 21:42

RE: media-type names and cotton?

Thanks Mike for the clarification

 

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet <at> apple.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:40 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: Peter Zehler; ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Glen,

 

"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.

 

Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:

 

            fabric

            fabric-cotton

            fabric-glossy

            fabric-high-gloss

            fabric-inkjet

            fabric-linen

            fabric-matte

            fabric-semi-gloss

            fabric-tweed

            fabric-waterproof

 

however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

Mike

 

Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?

 

Glen

 

 

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Subject: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Pete/All,

 

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

 

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

 

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William A Wagner | 18 Jun 2012 22:23
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RE: media-type names and cotton?

Mike,

I suggest that the use of “fabric” as a top-level media type is reasonable but as a qualifier for stationary is not, because the word refers to the product of a  weaving or felting process, not the type of fiber used.  If a general qualifier is needed, the common term is rag (at least it used to be); e.g., rag-content paper. But I recall the specific request was for “cotton” and cotton is the fiber normally used in rag paper.

Further, whereas Cotton paper is made from cotton fibers, my understand is that the term Linen paper  commonly refers to wood pulp or cotton paper finished to look/have the texture of linen, so the use of cotton and linen are not parallel in this context.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

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To: Petrie, Glen
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Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Glen,

 

"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.

 

Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:

 

            fabric

            fabric-cotton

            fabric-glossy

            fabric-high-gloss

            fabric-inkjet

            fabric-linen

            fabric-matte

            fabric-semi-gloss

            fabric-tweed

            fabric-waterproof

 

however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

Mike

 

Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?

 

Glen

 

 

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Subject: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Pete/All,

 

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

 

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

 

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Michael Sweet | 18 Jun 2012 23:49
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Re: media-type names and cotton?

Bill,

I did some quick searches and found the obligatory Wikipedia article:


This page would seem to indicate that the more general term is now just "cotton paper" or "cotton bond paper" since rags/scrap fabric are only one source of the fibers.

So my proposed addition is "stationery-cotton".

........

A search for printable fabrics yielded some available inkjet products:


I see a variety of sheet and roll media, with and without adhesive backing (some are iron-on, some are room temperature adhesives). How about the following additional type names:

fabric Generic printable fabric (sheets or rolls)
fabric-heat-adhesive Printable fabric with a heat-activated adhesive backing
fabric-self-adhesive Printable fabric with a self-adhesive backing (no heat required)
fabric-fine Printable fabric with a thread count of 200 or more
fabric-coarse Printable fabric with a thread count less then 100


On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, William A Wagner wrote:

Mike,

I suggest that the use of “fabric” as a top-level media type is reasonable but as a qualifier for stationary is not, because the word refers to the product of a  weaving or felting process, not the type of fiber used.  If a general qualifier is needed, the common term is rag (at least it used to be); e.g., rag-content paper. But I recall the specific request was for “cotton” and cotton is the fiber normally used in rag paper.

Further, whereas Cotton paper is made from cotton fibers, my understand is that the term Linen paper  commonly refers to wood pulp or cotton paper finished to look/have the texture of linen, so the use of cotton and linen are not parallel in this context.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Glen,

 

"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.

 

Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:

 

            fabric

            fabric-cotton

            fabric-glossy

            fabric-high-gloss

            fabric-inkjet

            fabric-linen

            fabric-matte

            fabric-semi-gloss

            fabric-tweed

            fabric-waterproof

 

however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

Mike

 

Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?

 

Glen

 

 

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Subject: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Pete/All,

 

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

 

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

 

________________________________________________________________________

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

 


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Paul Tykodi | 19 Jun 2012 04:56

RE: media-type names and cotton?

Hi Mike,

 

I have been meaning to send in a question about how we should represent printed electronics. To some degree, the technology creates the same semantic issues as fabric but it also brings color of ink when current is applied into the semantics as well.

 

See: http://www.printedelectroniccover.com/

 

Best Regards,

 

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:50 PM
To: William A Wagner
Cc: ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Bill,

 

I did some quick searches and found the obligatory Wikipedia article:

 

 

This page would seem to indicate that the more general term is now just "cotton paper" or "cotton bond paper" since rags/scrap fabric are only one source of the fibers.

 

So my proposed addition is "stationery-cotton".

 

........

 

A search for printable fabrics yielded some available inkjet products:

 

 

I see a variety of sheet and roll media, with and without adhesive backing (some are iron-on, some are room temperature adhesives). How about the following additional type names:

 

            fabric                                       Generic printable fabric (sheets or rolls)

            fabric-heat-adhesive                Printable fabric with a heat-activated adhesive backing

            fabric-self-adhesive                 Printable fabric with a self-adhesive backing (no heat required)

            fabric-fine                                           Printable fabric with a thread count of 200 or more

            fabric-coarse                            Printable fabric with a thread count less then 100

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, William A Wagner wrote:



Mike,

I suggest that the use of “fabric” as a top-level media type is reasonable but as a qualifier for stationary is not, because the word refers to the product of a  weaving or felting process, not the type of fiber used.  If a general qualifier is needed, the common term is rag (at least it used to be); e.g., rag-content paper But I recall the specific request was for “cotton” and cotton is the fiber normally used in rag paper.

Further, whereas Cotton paper is made from cotton fibers, my understand is that the term Linen paper  commonly refers to wood pulp or cotton paper finished to look/have the texture of linen, so the use of cotton and linen are not parallel in this context.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Glen,

 

"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.

 

Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:

 

            fabric

            fabric-cotton

            fabric-glossy

            fabric-high-gloss

            fabric-inkjet

            fabric-linen

            fabric-matte

            fabric-semi-gloss

            fabric-tweed

            fabric-waterproof

 

however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

Mike

 

Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?

 

Glen

 

 

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Subject: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Pete/All,

 

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

 

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

 

________________________________________________________________________

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Re: media-type names and cotton?

Paul,

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Paul Tykodi <ptykodi <at> tykodi.com> wrote:
Hi Mike,

 
I have been meaning to send in a question about how we should represent printed electronics. To some degree, the technology creates the same semantic issues as fabric but it also brings color of ink when current is applied into the semantics as well.

I think new technologies such as these need more discussion and background than simply adding some names to MSN2.  Certainly we could register new marker supply types for electroluminescent ink, metallic (conductive) ink, etc, but what about the substrate?

There are similar issues for 3D (layered) printing technologies - how might we define a model, format, etc. for that?



 
 
Best Regards,

 
/Paul

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To: William A Wagner
Cc: ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Bill,

 

I did some quick searches and found the obligatory Wikipedia article:

 

 

This page would seem to indicate that the more general term is now just "cotton paper" or "cotton bond paper" since rags/scrap fabric are only one source of the fibers.

 

So my proposed addition is "stationery-cotton".

 

........

 

A search for printable fabrics yielded some available inkjet products:

 

 

I see a variety of sheet and roll media, with and without adhesive backing (some are iron-on, some are room temperature adhesives). How about the following additional type names:

 

            fabric                                       Generic printable fabric (sheets or rolls)

            fabric-heat-adhesive                Printable fabric with a heat-activated adhesive backing

            fabric-self-adhesive                 Printable fabric with a self-adhesive backing (no heat required)

            fabric-fine                                           Printable fabric with a thread count of 200 or more

            fabric-coarse                            Printable fabric with a thread count less then 100

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, William A Wagner wrote:



Mike,

I suggest that the use of “fabric” as a top-level media type is reasonable but as a qualifier for stationary is not, because the word refers to the product of a  weaving or felting process, not the type of fiber used.  If a general qualifier is needed, the common term is rag (at least it used to be); e.g., rag-content paper But I recall the specific request was for “cotton” and cotton is the fiber normally used in rag paper.

Further, whereas Cotton paper is made from cotton fibers, my understand is that the term Linen paper  commonly refers to wood pulp or cotton paper finished to look/have the texture of linen, so the use of cotton and linen are not parallel in this context.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

From: ipp-bounces <at> pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces <at> pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Glen,

 

"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.

 

Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:

 

            fabric

            fabric-cotton

            fabric-glossy

            fabric-high-gloss

            fabric-inkjet

            fabric-linen

            fabric-matte

            fabric-semi-gloss

            fabric-tweed

            fabric-waterproof

 

however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

Mike

 

Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?

 

Glen

 

 

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Pete/All,

 

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

 

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

 

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RE: media-type names and cotton?

Xerox’s request from the Face to Face was to add a registered media-type name for cotton and I’d supply the details at a later time.  Below are the semantic definitions for archival, bond and  cotton media-type values we are proposing.  The media weight (i.e. gsm range) can be ignored since the PWG does not include it in “media-type” definitions.   I included it because it was available to me from production printing.

 

Like other media-types (e.g.,  ‘stationery’, ‘cardstock’) the three values below can have suffixes (e.g., ‘-heavyweight’, ‘-lightweight’, ‘pre-printed’).  This does not beak interoperability.  Specifying ‘stationery’ or ‘cotton’ as a base type means that the base type is primary.  Matching rules that simply strip the suffix continue to work as they have.  For example a client that supplies a media-type of ‘stationery-cotton’ would get ‘stationery’. This scenario would have to assume the Client has not examined the supported values of the printer since a mismatch is implied.

1)      If the printer supported the ‘stationery-cotton’ value, the suffix would not be stripped and the requested media-type would be used.

2)      If the printer does not support the ‘stationery-cotton’ value and ‘stationery’ is supported’, the media-type ‘stationery’ is used since the client requested that as its root (i.e., base) media-type.

If the client wanted ‘cotton’ media, the client would either have to

1)      examine the supported values for

a.       a non-standard ‘-cotton’ extension to some existing top media-type value

b.      a newly registered/vendor extension top value of ‘cotton’

2)      Shoot blind and hope.

Adding the new top media-type values would enhance interoperability in the future since stationery, bond, cardstock and cotton would be available allowing clients to more accurately represent their intent (e.g., ‘cotton-heavyweight’, ‘stationery-inkjet’, ‘cardstock-glossy’)

 

New media-type values to register:

‘archival’ - A tough, acid-free paper made with an alkaline buffer.   Extraneous materials (such as sugars, starches and gums) in the pulp that can cause discoloring and deterioration, are carefully removed. Physical strength for the paper is ensured by using a long, high quality fibers such as cotton or flax that enables it to be usable for long periods. (gsm range 106-169)

‘bond’ - A better quality grade of paper that is stronger and more durable than ‘stationary’ (gsm range 81-130)

‘cotton’ - A rag pulp based paper which is made up of cotton fibers (gsm range 75-90)

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler <at> Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
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Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Paul,

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Paul Tykodi <ptykodi <at> tykodi.com> wrote:

Hi Mike,

 

I have been meaning to send in a question about how we should represent printed electronics. To some degree, the technology creates the same semantic issues as fabric but it also brings color of ink when current is applied into the semantics as well.

 

I think new technologies such as these need more discussion and background than simply adding some names to MSN2.  Certainly we could register new marker supply types for electroluminescent ink, metallic (conductive) ink, etc, but what about the substrate?

 

There are similar issues for 3D (layered) printing technologies - how might we define a model, format, etc. for that?

 

 



 

 

Best Regards,

 

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:50 PM
To: William A Wagner
Cc: ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Bill,

 

I did some quick searches and found the obligatory Wikipedia article:

 

 

This page would seem to indicate that the more general term is now just "cotton paper" or "cotton bond paper" since rags/scrap fabric are only one source of the fibers.

 

So my proposed addition is "stationery-cotton".

 

........

 

A search for printable fabrics yielded some available inkjet products:

 

 

I see a variety of sheet and roll media, with and without adhesive backing (some are iron-on, some are room temperature adhesives). How about the following additional type names:

 

            fabric                                       Generic printable fabric (sheets or rolls)

            fabric-heat-adhesive                Printable fabric with a heat-activated adhesive backing

            fabric-self-adhesive                 Printable fabric with a self-adhesive backing (no heat required)

            fabric-fine                                           Printable fabric with a thread count of 200 or more

            fabric-coarse                            Printable fabric with a thread count less then 100

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, William A Wagner wrote:




Mike,

I suggest that the use of “fabric” as a top-level media type is reasonable but as a qualifier for stationary is not, because the word refers to the product of a  weaving or felting process, not the type of fiber used.  If a general qualifier is needed, the common term is rag (at least it used to be); e.g., rag-content paper But I recall the specific request was for “cotton” and cotton is the fiber normally used in rag paper.

Further, whereas Cotton paper is made from cotton fibers, my understand is that the term Linen paper  commonly refers to wood pulp or cotton paper finished to look/have the texture of linen, so the use of cotton and linen are not parallel in this context.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

From: ipp-bounces <at> pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces <at> pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Glen,

 

"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.

 

Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:

 

            fabric

            fabric-cotton

            fabric-glossy

            fabric-high-gloss

            fabric-inkjet

            fabric-linen

            fabric-matte

            fabric-semi-gloss

            fabric-tweed

            fabric-waterproof

 

however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.

 

 

On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

Mike

 

Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton".   Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?

 

Glen

 

 

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Pete/All,

 

Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?

 

Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?

 

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Re: media-type names and cotton?

Pete,

On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:39 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler <at> xerox.com> wrote:
Xerox’s request from the Face to Face was to add a registered media-type name for cotton and I’d supply the details at a later time.  Below are the semantic definitions for archival, bond and  cotton media-type values we are proposing.  The media weight (i.e. gsm range) can be ignored since the PWG does not include it in “media-type” definitions.   I included it because it was available to me from production printing.

FWIW, we already have "stationery-bond" as a media type, and in general I would prefer to avoid mixing top-level and suffix names. More comments inline below...

New media-type values to register:
‘archival’ - A tough, acid-free paper made with an alkaline buffer.   Extraneous materials (such as sugars, starches and gums) in the pulp that can cause discoloring and deterioration, are carefully removed. Physical strength for the paper is ensured by using a long, high quality fibers such as cotton or flax that enables it to be usable for long periods. (gsm range 106-169)

Given that the existing photographic media type are often/typically archival-quality, would it make more sense to treat "archival" as a common suffix for existing top-level types, e.g.:

    cardstock-archival
    labels-archival
    stationery-archival

???

‘bond’ - A better quality grade of paper that is stronger and more durable than ‘stationary’ (gsm range 81-130)

As I mentioned above, we already have stationery-bond.

‘cotton’ - A rag pulp based paper which is made up of cotton fibers (gsm range 75-90)

Do we need a top-level for this too?  "stationery-cotton" (and, if you think it is necessary, "cardstock-cotton") would seem to capture the existing usage for this type of media.

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Zehler, Peter | 21 Jun 2012 14:41
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RE: media-type names and cotton?

All,

I can live with ‘-archival’, ‘-bond’ and ‘-cotton’ extensions.  Is there a registration for the extensions or do we register all the compound names with ‘stationery’, ‘cardstock’,  ‘label’ and ‘photographic’ as the top level?

Pete

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler <at> Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
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From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet <at> apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:48 PM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ptykodi <at> tykodi.com; ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Pete,

 

On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:39 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler <at> xerox.com> wrote:

Xerox’s request from the Face to Face was to add a registered media-type name for cotton and I’d supply the details at a later time.  Below are the semantic definitions for archival, bond and  cotton media-type values we are proposing.  The media weight (i.e. gsm range) can be ignored since the PWG does not include it in “media-type” definitions.   I included it because it was available to me from production printing.

 

FWIW, we already have "stationery-bond" as a media type, and in general I would prefer to avoid mixing top-level and suffix names. More comments inline below...

 

New media-type values to register:

‘archival’ - A tough, acid-free paper made with an alkaline buffer.   Extraneous materials (such as sugars, starches and gums) in the pulp that can cause discoloring and deterioration, are carefully removed. Physical strength for the paper is ensured by using a long, high quality fibers such as cotton or flax that enables it to be usable for long periods. (gsm range 106-169)

 

Given that the existing photographic media type are often/typically archival-quality, would it make more sense to treat "archival" as a common suffix for existing top-level types, e.g.:

 

    cardstock-archival

    labels-archival

    stationery-archival

 

???

 

‘bond’ - A better quality grade of paper that is stronger and more durable than ‘stationary’ (gsm range 81-130)

 

As I mentioned above, we already have stationery-bond.

 

‘cotton’ - A rag pulp based paper which is made up of cotton fibers (gsm range 75-90)

 

Do we need a top-level for this too?  "stationery-cotton" (and, if you think it is necessary, "cardstock-cotton") would seem to capture the existing usage for this type of media.

 

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Ira McDonald | 21 Jun 2012 14:50
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Re: media-type names and cotton?

Hi Pete,

The IANA IPP Registry is flat for a given attribute (e.g., media-type),
and sorted alphabetically by keyword values, so "stationery" (base
keyword) comes first and is followed by all of the qualified keywords,
e.g., "stationery-coated".

Cheers,
- Ira

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Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler <at> xerox.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I can live with ‘-archival’, ‘-bond’ and ‘-cotton’ extensions.  Is there a
> registration for the extensions or do we register all the compound names
> with ‘stationery’, ‘cardstock’,  ‘label’ and ‘photographic’ as the top
> level?
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
>
> Peter Zehler
>
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler <at> Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>
>
>
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet <at> apple.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:48 PM
> To: Zehler, Peter
> Cc: ptykodi <at> tykodi.com; ipp <at> pwg.org
>
>
> Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?
>
>
>
> Pete,
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:39 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler <at> xerox.com> wrote:
>
> Xerox’s request from the Face to Face was to add a registered media-type
> name for cotton and I’d supply the details at a later time.  Below are the
> semantic definitions for archival, bond and  cotton media-type values we are
> proposing.  The media weight (i.e. gsm range) can be ignored since the PWG
> does not include it in “media-type” definitions.   I included it because it
> was available to me from production printing.
>
>
>
> FWIW, we already have "stationery-bond" as a media type, and in general I
> would prefer to avoid mixing top-level and suffix names. More comments
> inline below...
>
>
>
> New media-type values to register:
>
> ‘archival’ - A tough, acid-free paper made with an alkaline buffer.
>  Extraneous materials (such as sugars, starches and gums) in the pulp that
> can cause discoloring and deterioration, are carefully removed. Physical
> strength for the paper is ensured by using a long, high quality fibers such
> as cotton or flax that enables it to be usable for long periods. (gsm range
> 106-169)
>
>
>
> Given that the existing photographic media type are often/typically
> archival-quality, would it make more sense to treat "archival" as a common
> suffix for existing top-level types, e.g.:
>
>
>
>     cardstock-archival
>
>     labels-archival
>
>     stationery-archival
>
>
>
> ???
>
>
>
> ‘bond’ - A better quality grade of paper that is stronger and more durable
> than ‘stationary’ (gsm range 81-130)
>
>
>
> As I mentioned above, we already have stationery-bond.
>
>
>
> ‘cotton’ - A rag pulp based paper which is made up of cotton fibers (gsm
> range 75-90)
>
>
>
> Do we need a top-level for this too?  "stationery-cotton" (and, if you think
> it is necessary, "cardstock-cotton") would seem to capture the existing
> usage for this type of media.
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
>
>
>
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Zehler, Peter | 21 Jun 2012 15:02
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RE: media-type names and cotton?

That's what I figured.  I'd like to see the qualifiers '-archival', '-bond' and '-cotton' be registered for
the stationery', 'cardstock',  'label', 'photographic' and 'envelope' top level values.

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler <at> Xerox.com
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From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic <at> gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:50 AM
To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald
Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

Hi Pete,

The IANA IPP Registry is flat for a given attribute (e.g., media-type), and sorted alphabetically by
keyword values, so "stationery" (base
keyword) comes first and is followed by all of the qualified keywords, e.g., "stationery-coated".

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary -
IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility
Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof
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49839  906-494-2434

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler <at> xerox.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I can live with '-archival', '-bond' and '-cotton' extensions.  Is 
> there a registration for the extensions or do we register all the 
> compound names with 'stationery', 'cardstock',  'label' and 
> 'photographic' as the top level?
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
>
> Peter Zehler
>
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler <at> Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>
>
>
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet <at> apple.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:48 PM
> To: Zehler, Peter
> Cc: ptykodi <at> tykodi.com; ipp <at> pwg.org
>
>
> Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?
>
>
>
> Pete,
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:39 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler <at> xerox.com> wrote:
>
> Xerox's request from the Face to Face was to add a registered 
> media-type name for cotton and I'd supply the details at a later time.  
> Below are the semantic definitions for archival, bond and  cotton 
> media-type values we are proposing.  The media weight (i.e. gsm range) 
> can be ignored since the PWG does not include it in "media-type" 
> definitions.   I included it because it was available to me from production printing.
>
>
>
> FWIW, we already have "stationery-bond" as a media type, and in 
> general I would prefer to avoid mixing top-level and suffix names. 
> More comments inline below...
>
>
>
> New media-type values to register:
>
> 'archival' - A tough, acid-free paper made with an alkaline buffer.
>  Extraneous materials (such as sugars, starches and gums) in the pulp 
> that can cause discoloring and deterioration, are carefully removed. 
> Physical strength for the paper is ensured by using a long, high 
> quality fibers such as cotton or flax that enables it to be usable for 
> long periods. (gsm range
> 106-169)
>
>
>
> Given that the existing photographic media type are often/typically 
> archival-quality, would it make more sense to treat "archival" as a 
> common suffix for existing top-level types, e.g.:
>
>
>
>     cardstock-archival
>
>     labels-archival
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> 'bond' - A better quality grade of paper that is stronger and more 
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> As I mentioned above, we already have stationery-bond.
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> 'cotton' - A rag pulp based paper which is made up of cotton fibers 
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> Do we need a top-level for this too?  "stationery-cotton" (and, if you 
> think it is necessary, "cardstock-cotton") would seem to capture the 
> existing usage for this type of media.
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Zehler, Peter | 25 Jun 2012 14:09
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RE: media-type names and cotton?

Will the “media’ top value of ‘bond’ be removed from the IANA registry on the next update?

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler <at> Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
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Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: Zehler, Peter
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:41 AM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ptykodi <at> tykodi.com; ipp <at> pwg.org
Subject: RE: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

All,

I can live with ‘-archival’, ‘-bond’ and ‘-cotton’ extensions.  Is there a registration for the extensions or do we register all the compound names with ‘stationery’, ‘cardstock’,  ‘label’ and ‘photographic’ as the top level?

Pete

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler <at> Xerox.com
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Xerox Corp.
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From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet <at> apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:48 PM
To: Zehler, Peter
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Subject: Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?

 

Pete,

 

On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:39 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler <at> xerox.com> wrote:

Xerox’s request from the Face to Face was to add a registered media-type name for cotton and I’d supply the details at a later time.  Below are the semantic definitions for archival, bond and  cotton media-type values we are proposing.  The media weight (i.e. gsm range) can be ignored since the PWG does not include it in “media-type” definitions.   I included it because it was available to me from production printing.

 

FWIW, we already have "stationery-bond" as a media type, and in general I would prefer to avoid mixing top-level and suffix names. More comments inline below...

 

New media-type values to register:

‘archival’ - A tough, acid-free paper made with an alkaline buffer.   Extraneous materials (such as sugars, starches and gums) in the pulp that can cause discoloring and deterioration, are carefully removed. Physical strength for the paper is ensured by using a long, high quality fibers such as cotton or flax that enables it to be usable for long periods. (gsm range 106-169)

 

Given that the existing photographic media type are often/typically archival-quality, would it make more sense to treat "archival" as a common suffix for existing top-level types, e.g.:

 

    cardstock-archival

    labels-archival

    stationery-archival

 

???

 

‘bond’ - A better quality grade of paper that is stronger and more durable than ‘stationary’ (gsm range 81-130)

 

As I mentioned above, we already have stationery-bond.

 

‘cotton’ - A rag pulp based paper which is made up of cotton fibers (gsm range 75-90)

 

Do we need a top-level for this too?  "stationery-cotton" (and, if you think it is necessary, "cardstock-cotton") would seem to capture the existing usage for this type of media.

 

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Michael Sweet | 25 Jun 2012 19:58
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Re: media-type names and cotton?

Pete,

On Jun 25, 2012, at 5:09 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:
Will the “media’ top value of ‘bond’ be removed from the IANA registry on the next update?


Good question. While we've removed whole specs, we've not yet removed individual registrations from a spec. I can certainly mark "bond" by itself as deprecated in MSN2, and perhaps we can add a "deprecated" indication to the IPP registry?

IPP/2.0 does require printers to use new media names (e.g. iso_a4_210x279mm instead of iso-a4), so technically we could deprecate all of the 2911-defined media names in the registry, including "bond". However, then I'll need to update the media-color, media-source, and media-type registrations to list the specific values (I think right now they all import the corresponding names from media...)

All that said, we haven't actually stated a goal or strategy for the media type names, and the current names are a mix of styles. I've focused on adding missing media type categories (e.g. disc, fabric, glass, metal) and expanding the existing ones where it made sense, deprecating former top-level types (e.g. roll) when it made more sense to use others.

Ultimately my personal preference is for media type names to state first the intended usage (e.g. stationery, envelope, photographic, etc.) and then any modifiers for that usage (e.g. -letterhead, -window, -glossy, etc.) - this allows clients and printers to do intelligent things and users to concisely express the intent of a print job. Sadly, many of the current top-level types are hyphenated words so it will not always be possible to do "intelligent things"... :(

In the case of things like "bond" and "cotton", these say more about the material used for the media than the usage. "Archival" could be argued either way, but going back to the "intelligent things" argument a photo printing application might only show photographic media types - I'd much rather see a "photographic-archival-glossy" type than "archival-glossy" since the latter tells me (the user/client/printer) what the media is normally used for and allows other kinds of applications (e.g. word processor/spreadsheet) to hide the media from view (by default, anyways) so I can focus on picking a more appropriate/likely media.

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