1 May 2003 01:53

## Re: Re: Rethinking Karn's algorithm

```Caitlin Bestler wrote:
...
> To agree with you even more strongly, consider that for
> many applications a human is part of the "backoff
> algorithm".
>
> In onther words, how long of a delay will be *tolerated*
> before the human consumer initiates corrective action,
> such as a new connection, on their own.
>
> Once predictable human responses are factored in, I doubt
> that a 60 second backoff will ever truly result in improved
> service.

Aren't lining up and waiting to be served part of the fun of being
human?

-Qiaobing
```
1 May 2003 02:48

### Re: Re: Rethinking Karn's algorithm

```Qiaobing Xie wrote:
> Caitlin Bestler wrote:
> ...
>
>>To agree with you even more strongly, consider that for
>>many applications a human is part of the "backoff
>>algorithm".
>>
>>In onther words, how long of a delay will be *tolerated*
>>before the human consumer initiates corrective action,
>>such as a new connection, on their own.
>>
>>Once predictable human responses are factored in, I doubt
>>that a 60 second backoff will ever truly result in improved
>>service.
>
>
> Aren't lining up and waiting to be served part of the fun of being
> human?
>
> -Qiaobing

Maybe..

But when you give the human another choice... (a different line
to go into) they will run to it... screwing up everything as
murphy puts it..

You can think of a different line as the little stop/reload button
```

1 May 2003 04:30

### Re: Re: Rethinking Karn's algorithm

```So I'm thinking that

- the 60 second max RTO is to save the Internet from connections
between computers that don't have humans in the loop, and

- the stop/reload button is to save humans in the loop from the
60 second max RTO?

:-}

Spencer

--- Randall Stewart <randall <at> stewart.chicago.il.us> wrote:
> You can think of a different line as the little stop/reload
> button