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Peter Saint-Andre | 7 Jun 20:18

rfc4622bis: review requested

As previously pointed out, there are some errors in RFC 4622. I have
attempted to correct them here:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc4622bis-00.txt

No one has told me there are errors in rfc4622bis, but since Roy
Fielding said RFC 4622 is broken and should be removed from the
standards track [1] I want to make sure that my attempted corrections 
are indeed correct.

Unless I receive feedback that rfc4622bis does not fix the problems with
RFC 4622, I will assume that it does, complete another pass through the
document to ensure that it is as correct as I can make it, then request
a standards action from the appropriate AD.

Thanks!

Peter

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Peter Saint-Andre | 7 Jun 20:22

Re: rfc4622bis: review requested

Sorry, left off the reference...

On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 01:20:31PM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

> Roy Fielding said RFC 4622 is broken and should be removed from the
> standards track [1] 

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2006Oct/0033.html

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Julian Reschke | 7 Jun 20:32

Re: rfc4622bis: review requested

Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> As previously pointed out, there are some errors in RFC 4622. I have
> attempted to correct them here:
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc4622bis-00.txt
> 
> No one has told me there are errors in rfc4622bis, but since Roy
> Fielding said RFC 4622 is broken and should be removed from the
> standards track [1] I want to make sure that my attempted corrections 
> are indeed correct.
> 
> Unless I receive feedback that rfc4622bis does not fix the problems with
> RFC 4622, I will assume that it does, complete another pass through the
> document to ensure that it is as correct as I can make it, then request
> a standards action from the appropriate AD.
> 
> Thanks!

(1) I think you should have a section stating what the changes are.

(2) Independently of that, a diff to RFC4622 would be useful, such as in 
<http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht?url1=http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4622.txt&url2=http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc4622bis-00.txt>.

(3) 
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-rfc4622bis-00#section-3.8> 
says: "See Section 5 of RFC 4622, Security Considerations." There may be 
other instances like that.

(4) Front matter should say: "Obsoletes: 4622".
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Peter Saint-Andre | 7 Jun 21:02

Re: rfc4622bis: review requested

On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 08:32:17PM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote:
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> >As previously pointed out, there are some errors in RFC 4622. I have
> >attempted to correct them here:
> >
> >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc4622bis-00.txt
> >
> >No one has told me there are errors in rfc4622bis, but since Roy
> >Fielding said RFC 4622 is broken and should be removed from the
> >standards track [1] I want to make sure that my attempted corrections 
> >are indeed correct.
> >
> >Unless I receive feedback that rfc4622bis does not fix the problems with
> >RFC 4622, I will assume that it does, complete another pass through the
> >document to ensure that it is as correct as I can make it, then request
> >a standards action from the appropriate AD.
> >
> >Thanks!
> 
> (1) I think you should have a section stating what the changes are.

Added to my working copy.

> (2) Independently of that, a diff to RFC4622 would be useful, such as in 
> <http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht?url1=http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4622.txt&url2=http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc4622bis-00.txt>.

Do I-Ds generally contain such references? I have not seen them (perhaps
because they could be rather evanescent).

> (3)
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Peter Saint-Andre | 7 Jun 21:11

Re: rfc4622bis: review requested

On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 02:02:23PM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 08:32:17PM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote:
> > 
> > (1) I think you should have a section stating what the changes are.
> 
> Added to my working copy.

The text is as follows:

Appendix A.  Differences From RFC 4622

   Several errors were found in RFC 4622.  This document corrects those
   errors.  The resulting differences from RFC 4622 are as follows:

   o  Specified that the characters "[", "\", "]", "^", "`", "{", "|",
      and "}" are allowed in XMPP node identifiers but not allowed in
      URIs according to the sub-delims rule.
   o  Specified that the characters '"', "[", "\", "]", "^", "`", "{",
      "|", "}", '"', "<", and ">" are allowed in XMPP resource
      identifiers but not allowed in URIs according to the pchar rule.
   o  Specified that the foregoing characters must be percent-encoded
      when constructing an XMPP URI.
   o  Corrected the ABNF accordingly.
   o  Updated the examples accordingly.
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Julian Reschke | 7 Jun 21:14

Re: rfc4622bis: review requested

Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> ...
>> (2) Independently of that, a diff to RFC4622 would be useful, such as in 
>> <http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht?url1=http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4622.txt&url2=http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc4622bis-00.txt>.
> 
> Do I-Ds generally contain such references? I have not seen them (perhaps
> because they could be rather evanescent).

Nope. But it's useful to get people reviewing stuff. Mentioning the link 
over here is sufficient.

>> (3) 
>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-rfc4622bis-00#section-3.8> 
>> says: "See Section 5 of RFC 4622, Security Considerations." There may be 
>> other instances like that.
> 
> My working copy has things like "See Section 5 of &rfc.number;" (where
> the &rfc.number; reference is to be replaced by the RFC Editor).

Ah, xml2rfc black magic, to be avoided. It's not XML.

As it's a some-document reference, why mention the document name at all?

>  ...

Best regards, Julian
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