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Pierre Habouzit | 30 Oct 17:38

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For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Hi,

As some of you may know, I've been the original creator of bts-link[0].
Though, I have currently neither the motivation, nor the time to
maintain it, or run it on a regular basis[1].

I believe bts-link has become an important piece of our infrastructure,
especially for packagers with huge user base, but not only. This is why
it's more than time that I give bts-link to people that have the time to
care about the beast.

Anyways, the information is: I don't intend to maintain or run bts-link
anymore[2], it is up for adoption. If the BTS people wish to inherit the
beast they come first, but any motivated group of people are welcomed.

I believe that the most important things right now would be:

  * make it an official Debian service (running from a Debian.org host)
    so that one can lift some specific bans that bug trackers
    maintainers over the world impose to crawlers ;

  * make the code base better so that one can have a comprehensive list
    of bugs that bts-link cannot get a status for, which it doesn't
    right now. In particular it means that if an upstream bugzilla moves
    or something, it gets completely unnoticed right now ;

  * maintain the code base, add support for new bugtrackers, ...

Cheers,

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Christoph Berg | 30 Oct 17:52

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Re: Pierre Habouzit 2008-10-30 <20081030164101.GI24098 <at> artemis.corp>
> Anyways, the information is: I don't intend to maintain or run bts-link
> anymore[2], it is up for adoption. If the BTS people wish to inherit the
> beast they come first, but any motivated group of people are welcomed.

If the BTS folks don't want it, we should put it into the QA realm.

Christoph
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Pierre Habouzit | 30 Oct 18:18

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Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 04:52:58PM +0000, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Pierre Habouzit 2008-10-30 <20081030164101.GI24098 <at> artemis.corp>
> > Anyways, the information is: I don't intend to maintain or run bts-link
> > anymore[2], it is up for adoption. If the BTS people wish to inherit the
> > beast they come first, but any motivated group of people are welcomed.
> 
> If the BTS folks don't want it, we should put it into the QA realm.

Well, I have a small issue with that, in the sense that the QA "team" is
completely disorganized, as every single DD is de facto a QA team
member. I'd prefer if there are designated people(s) in charge, even if
the chosen way to maintain it is to put it on collab-maint and can be
altered by any DD.

For now it needs constant care. Maybe it'll change later (which I wasn't
able to achieve, by lack of interest), but for now it cannot "just work"
sadly.

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OOO                                                http://www.madism.org

Christoph Berg | 31 Oct 23:05

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Re: Pierre Habouzit 2008-10-30 <20081030171800.GM24098 <at> artemis.corp>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 04:52:58PM +0000, Christoph Berg wrote:
> > Re: Pierre Habouzit 2008-10-30 <20081030164101.GI24098 <at> artemis.corp>
> > > Anyways, the information is: I don't intend to maintain or run bts-link
> > > anymore[2], it is up for adoption. If the BTS people wish to inherit the
> > > beast they come first, but any motivated group of people are welcomed.
> > 
> > If the BTS folks don't want it, we should put it into the QA realm.
> 
> Well, I have a small issue with that, in the sense that the QA "team" is
> completely disorganized, as every single DD is de facto a QA team
> member. I'd prefer if there are designated people(s) in charge, even if
> the chosen way to maintain it is to put it on collab-maint and can be
> altered by any DD.

The QA infrastructure usually works better in the long run than many
other 1-person projects because there's more hands to take care. But
of course that won't work if there's not a primary maintainer, so I'd
expect the person moving bts-link to qa.debian.org to also maintain
it.

Christoph
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Pierre Habouzit | 2 Nov 17:00

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Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:05:35PM +0000, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Pierre Habouzit 2008-10-30 <20081030171800.GM24098 <at> artemis.corp>
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 04:52:58PM +0000, Christoph Berg wrote:
> > > Re: Pierre Habouzit 2008-10-30 <20081030164101.GI24098 <at> artemis.corp>
> > > > Anyways, the information is: I don't intend to maintain or run bts-link
> > > > anymore[2], it is up for adoption. If the BTS people wish to inherit the
> > > > beast they come first, but any motivated group of people are welcomed.
> > > 
> > > If the BTS folks don't want it, we should put it into the QA realm.
> > 
> > Well, I have a small issue with that, in the sense that the QA "team" is
> > completely disorganized, as every single DD is de facto a QA team
> > member. I'd prefer if there are designated people(s) in charge, even if
> > the chosen way to maintain it is to put it on collab-maint and can be
> > altered by any DD.
> 
> The QA infrastructure usually works better in the long run than many
> other 1-person projects because there's more hands to take care. But
> of course that won't work if there's not a primary maintainer, so I'd
> expect the person moving bts-link to qa.debian.org to also maintain
> it.

Makes sense to me. Sadly, I've heard no such person yet :|

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·O·  Pierre Habouzit
··O                                                madcoder <at> debian.org
OOO                                                http://www.madism.org

Christoph Berg | 2 Nov 23:12

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Re: Pierre Habouzit 2008-11-02 <20081102160047.GH4066 <at> artemis>
> Makes sense to me. Sadly, I've heard no such person yet :|

As I have hacked on bts-link before I am considering being that one.
Just waiting for some spare time, and partly still thinking about
whether I will have enough time for it.

Christoph
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Don Armstrong | 30 Oct 20:39

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> Anyways, the information is: I don't intend to maintain or run
> bts-link anymore[2], it is up for adoption. If the BTS people wish
> to inherit the beast they come first, but any motivated group of
> people are welcomed.

I'd really be glad if someone would want to maintain it under the
debbugs group. Unfortunatly, because it's written in python, that
pretty much excludes me. [Well, at least for all but the most trivial
and obvious fixes.]

Don Armstrong

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Christian Perrier | 11 Nov 08:31

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Quoting Pierre Habouzit (madcoder <at> debian.org):
> Hi,
> 
> As some of you may know, I've been the original creator of bts-link[0].
> Though, I have currently neither the motivation, nor the time to
> maintain it, or run it on a regular basis[1].
> 
> I believe bts-link has become an important piece of our infrastructure,
> especially for packagers with huge user base, but not only. This is why
> it's more than time that I give bts-link to people that have the time to
> care about the beast.

Instead of doing huge threads cutting hairs in four pieces about
whatever vote we should have in order to be sure not releasing lenny
in the upcoming year, isn't there *really* someone in the crowd who
would volunteer to maintain bts-link?

As a package maintainer with a few upstreams having their own bugzilla
(more particularly samba), bts-link has been an incredibly useful tool
for me.

Everybody know that *I* am personnally completely unable to maintain
such beast but I know there are certainly many people among DD who
can.

So, pretty please, someone volunteer. Maintaining bts-link even
deserves abandoning some package maintainance or whatever. We really
need it.

I think that the proposal made by Christoph Berg is, as of now, the

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Pierre Habouzit | 11 Nov 10:21

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Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 07:31:00AM +0000, Christian Perrier wrote:
> I think that the proposal made by Christoph Berg is, as of now, the
> most reasonable. Maybe it could be discussed during the upcoming
> Extremadura session (Nov 26-30) which is meant to be, among other, a
> QA session ?
> 
> Actually, it could be a good idea for you to attend, Pierre....but for
> what I know of your usual schedule, that might be hard to arrange.

It's totally impossible for me to attend.

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Olivier Berger | 11 Nov 10:36

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Le mardi 11 novembre 2008 à 08:31 +0100, Christian Perrier a écrit :
> As a package maintainer with a few upstreams having their own bugzilla
> (more particularly samba), bts-link has been an incredibly useful tool
> for me.
> 
> Everybody know that *I* am personnally completely unable to maintain
> such beast but I know there are certainly many people among DD who
> can.
> 

Hi.

FYI, I proposed my help to try and maintain the code (and subscribed to
the bts-link development list, which other interested ones should do
too, of course).

But the most important task is maintaining the *service* from what I
understood of the discussions... and as I'm no DD, I suppose I'm not a
good candidate.

HtH.

Regards,
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Sandro Tosi | 11 Nov 11:24

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 08:31, Christian Perrier <bubulle <at> debian.org> wrote:
> Quoting Pierre Habouzit (madcoder <at> debian.org):
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some of you may know, I've been the original creator of bts-link[0].
>> Though, I have currently neither the motivation, nor the time to
>> maintain it, or run it on a regular basis[1].
>>
>> I believe bts-link has become an important piece of our infrastructure,
>> especially for packagers with huge user base, but not only. This is why
>> it's more than time that I give bts-link to people that have the time to
>> care about the beast.
>
>
> Instead of doing huge threads cutting hairs in four pieces about
> whatever vote we should have in order to be sure not releasing lenny
> in the upcoming year, isn't there *really* someone in the crowd who
> would volunteer to maintain bts-link?

I'd be very welcome to maintain it, in the QA architecture, but I need
some guidance in the setup on merkel and stuff like this.

Cheers,
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My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi

Christian Perrier | 5 Jan 18:59

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Quoting Sandro Tosi (morph <at> debian.org):

> I'd be very welcome to maintain it, in the QA architecture, but I need
> some guidance in the setup on merkel and stuff like this.

Any news about this ?

bts-link is seriously missing, now, for those of us who heavily work
with their upstream's BTS (hint: samba..)

Even one run per month would be better than nothing, indeed..:)

Sandro Tosi | 5 Jan 20:08

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Hi Christian,

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 18:59, Christian Perrier <bubulle <at> debian.org> wrote:
> Quoting Sandro Tosi (morph <at> debian.org):
>
>> I'd be very welcome to maintain it, in the QA architecture, but I need
>> some guidance in the setup on merkel and stuff like this.
>
> Any news about this ?

Sadly no, mainly because I was waiting for a sort of approval/ack from
QA team, that never came (I don't know if it's needed, but I saw it as
a source of courtesy).

Hence, after a short discussion on IRC with tomv_w few days ago, I
promised to go on my way installing on merkel (probably on my home
dir, just to give it a first indeep look, then hopefully it will be
moved in a better place) in a couple of weeks.

> bts-link is seriously missing, now, for those of us who heavily work
> with their upstream's BTS (hint: samba..)
>
> Even one run per month would be better than nothing, indeed..:)

You're absolutely right and I apologize for the delay: I'll do my best
to have it back U&R asap.

Cheers,
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Christian Perrier | 6 Jan 07:54

Re: For those who care about bts-link: call for adoption

Quoting Sandro Tosi (morph <at> debian.org):

> Sadly no, mainly because I was waiting for a sort of approval/ack from
> QA team, that never came (I don't know if it's needed, but I saw it as
> a source of courtesy).

Well, maybe just because nobody in the QA team felt in charge of
providing you with an official answer. To my understanding, the QA
team, like many other teams, work on a "who does the work has the
decision" mode....

So, I would say, just go for it. As you mentioned, first set it up in
your environment on merkel, then launch a discussion in the QA team,
including the DSA team, about the Right Place to have bts-link run on
and here you go....

I can easily tell that you'll get support for this because the tool is
really important for many of us (the X.Org team AOL'ed to my mail, for
instance). So, in case you have any trouble, crying out for help here
would probably do it.

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