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Enrico Zini | 31 Jul 2012 07:24

Review of personal information sources in Debian

Hello,

I've recently done a review of personal information sources in Debian,
which I'd like to share here both because I don't think this has been
done before, and to check if I missed anything.

These are all the places I can think of, where we store personal
information:

 - LDAP
 - nm.debian.org
 - the Debian keyring
 - alioth.debian.org (for -guest accounts)
 - debian/ directory in packages (control and changelog)
 - mailing list archives

Let's go into details.

 * Mailing lists, packages, alioth

One has total control over the email address used to post to mailing
lists, over their alioth -guest account information, and over what
information is used in debian/control and debian/changelog.

Everything goes as long as uploads are signed with the GPG key of a DD
(or DM), who takes responsibility for what goes in.

 * The OpenPGP key in the Debian keyring

Not much to say here: your key goes in the keyring with whatever

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Paul Wise | 31 Jul 2012 20:57

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Enrico Zini wrote:

> Did I miss anything in this review? Is everything represented correctly?

wiki.d.o: email/jabber address, name, page subscriptions, timezone,
other settings.

forums.d.n: email, various contact addresses/URLs.

carnivore: stores other email addresses that might be unknown to the
keyring & LDAP.

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Enrico Zini | 17 Aug 2012 12:26

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:57:29PM -0600, Paul Wise wrote:

> wiki.d.o: email/jabber address, name, page subscriptions, timezone,
> other settings.
> 
> forums.d.n: email, various contact addresses/URLs.
> 
> carnivore: stores other email addresses that might be unknown to the
> keyring & LDAP.

Added to http://wiki.debian.org/ContributorsInformationSources mostly as
stubs. Could you please have a go at the details?

Ciao,

Enrico

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Paul Wise | 20 Aug 2012 04:37

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 12:26 +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:

> Added to http://wiki.debian.org/ContributorsInformationSources mostly
> as stubs. Could you please have a go at the details?

Added info about wiki.d.o/forums.d.n user information access policies.

How much detail do you want on the data available?

I don't know much about carnivore, I guess the MIA team or UDD folks
could fill in this information.

PS: I'm subscribed.

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Enrico Zini | 20 Aug 2012 11:43

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:37:57AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:

> Added info about wiki.d.o/forums.d.n user information access policies.

Thanks.

> How much detail do you want on the data available?

The use cases I can see for the page are:

 1. someone trying to manage their own identity online (say, changing
    name after a wedding, adopting a pseudonym, tidying things up with
    middle names or transliterations...)
 2. someone working in infrastructure, trying to link things together
    somehow.

So I'd say, "what is stored where?" "who can see the data?" "how do I
get the data?" "how do I change the data?"

Ciao,

Enrico

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Martín Ferrari | 13 Aug 2012 16:22

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Enrico Zini <enrico <at> enricozini.org> wrote:
> I've recently done a review of personal information sources in Debian,
> which I'd like to share here both because I don't think this has been
> done before, and to check if I missed anything.

Coincidentally, I've been thinking about this issue recently. While
thinking about the design for the Whois project I'm planning [1], one
stumbling block I find is that there are many unsynchronised sources
of (public) personal information in Debian, and most important, that
there is not a single identity provider to sync them.

Sounds like you may be working on something like that, and in that
case I'd be interested in being involved. I think a service that
provides a centralised database of identities, which allows each
person to tailor how their identity is exposed, would be very helpful,
and would allow to improve many other services that currently rely on
incomplete identity information, specially for non-D[DM]s.

[1] http://beta.howtorecognise.mine.nu/blog/whois.html

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Enrico Zini | 13 Aug 2012 17:57

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:22:02PM +0100, Martín Ferrari wrote:

> Sounds like you may be working on something like that, and in that
> case I'd be interested in being involved. I think a service that
> provides a centralised database of identities, which allows each
> person to tailor how their identity is exposed, would be very helpful,
> and would allow to improve many other services that currently rely on
> incomplete identity information, specially for non-D[DM]s.

Indeed: nm.debian.org is currently the authoritative database for the
status of people contributing to Debian, and it already tracks, for
example, DMs and people with guest account.

It kind of lends itself to be such a centralised place. I've already
been giving some thinking at allowing people to tailor how their
identity is exposed, and that was one of the reasons for doing this
review.

Code is at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=nm/nm2.git;a=summary

What did you have in mind?

Ciao,

Enrico

P.S.
I did see your blog entry and wanted to get in touch, then I got
sidetracked by other things. It's great you got in touch!

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Andreas Tille | 14 Aug 2012 09:29

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Hi Enrico,

I needed to escape the problem that UDD has sometimes several different
spellings for the name of the very same person.  I hacked around a bit
and finally settled with

  http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=teammetrics/teammetrics.git;a=blob;f=maintain_names_prefered.py;hb=HEAD

It is not in official UDD code because it needs manual intervention from
time to time and is hackish and dirty anyway.  But when using it on
blends.debian.net to create statistics abput uploaders and bug reporters
for certain teams it is definitely helpful.

Just to let you know

        Andreas.

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Martín Ferrari | 15 Aug 2012 11:12

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Ciao Enrico,

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Enrico Zini <enrico <at> enricozini.org> wrote:

> Indeed: nm.debian.org is currently the authoritative database for the
> status of people contributing to Debian, and it already tracks, for
> example, DMs and people with guest account.

This is news for me, and it looks like a very useful starting point.
And it just made me discover sso.debian.org, that's great news too!

> It kind of lends itself to be such a centralised place. I've already
> been giving some thinking at allowing people to tailor how their
> identity is exposed, and that was one of the reasons for doing this
> review.

I couldn't see what the NM site allows me to do (I created a password
in db.debian.org, but it seems to take some time to propagate, adding
this info to the login page might be useful). But I concur that
managing one's identity would be good. I'd also add to that a way of
managing the different email addresses associated, because that's the
main problem I see for integrating different sources of information
about one person. Currently, many tools in Debian still don't
recognise that tincho <at>  and martin.ferrari <at>  are the same person.

> Code is at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=nm/nm2.git;a=summary
>
> What did you have in mind?

Something very similar to this, but I thought I would have to rely on

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Enrico Zini | 16 Aug 2012 14:33

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:12:33AM +0100, Martín Ferrari wrote:

> > Indeed: nm.debian.org is currently the authoritative database for the
> > status of people contributing to Debian, and it already tracks, for
> > example, DMs and people with guest account.
> This is news for me, and it looks like a very useful starting point.
> And it just made me discover sso.debian.org, that's great news too!

:) I'm sorry I'm far too busy working on the site and on other FD/DAM
things to be able to publicise it properly. Consider this an open call
for help O

> I couldn't see what the NM site allows me to do (I created a password
> in db.debian.org, but it seems to take some time to propagate, adding
> this info to the login page might be useful). But I concur that
> managing one's identity would be good. I'd also add to that a way of
> managing the different email addresses associated, because that's the
> main problem I see for integrating different sources of information
> about one person. Currently, many tools in Debian still don't
> recognise that tincho <at>  and martin.ferrari <at>  are the same person.

Indeed. Currently once you log in nm.d.o you can see more information,
advocate people or do AM work if you are an AM. Login is restricted to
DDs because that's how DACS works at the moment, but I'm trying to
figure out how to change that.

I'd like to add a 'preferences' page where one could do some identity
management. I want to avoid having nm.d.o be the primary data source for
anything except the status of people in Debian, and I'd rather hook into
other existing databases whenever possible.

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Enrico Zini | 18 Aug 2012 13:56

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 02:33:55PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:

> In terms of implementation, I see an overlap with nm.debian.org,
> portfolio.debian.net and db.debian.org.

...and the Debian Maintainer Dashboard (http://udd.debian.org/dmd.cgi),
thanks today's Misc Developer News.

Ciao,

Enrico

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Olivier Berger | 28 Aug 2012 11:05

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Hi.

My comments below.

Enrico Zini <enrico <at> enricozini.org> writes:

> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:12:33AM +0100, Martín Ferrari wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to add a 'preferences' page where one could do some identity
> management. I want to avoid having nm.d.o be the primary data source for
> anything except the status of people in Debian, and I'd rather hook into
> other existing databases whenever possible.
>
> In terms of managing one's visible full name, for example, this means
> that I was planning to just allow people to choose which of the various
> full names they have in Debian (for example, the primary UID on their
> GPG key) should be the default on the site.
>
> The multiple email situation can be addressed by interfacing with the
> MIA database, which already tracks this kind of information, of course
> after a little discussion on what bits of it can be publicly exposed and
> what shouldn't.
>
> Then, once the site shows things right, a REST API can take care of
> allowing the information to be reused by other bits of Debian.
>
>
>> > Code is at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=nm/nm2.git;a=summary
>> > What did you have in mind?

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obergix | 17 May 2013 13:35

WebID/FOAF discussion on debian-devel - Was: Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC)

Hi.

Olivier Berger <obergix <at> debian.org> writes:

> Have you heard about WebID [0] (a.k.a FOAF + SSL).
>
> I think we could make use of WebID to provide a document describing the
> Debian contributors profiles, which could be generated by the nm.d.o
> (under the control of the member's preferences) and that could be
> consumed by any other service that wants to make use of it (no need for
> SOAP, just HTTP GET + RDF parsing), and that could also at the same time
> include the SSL cert parts that would allow to use it for SSO
> (interesting links between such use of SSL and of GPG in Debian, ahead,
> too...).
>
> Besides this, these WebIDs could be the reference URIs for identifying
> developers on the Linked Data Cloud, allowing to interface with other
> descriptions of Debian resources on the Semantic Web.
>

Just for reference, a pointer on a discussion about WebID/FOAF
(+SSL/TLS) for identification and authentication for Debian is happening
on debian-devel, and responds to earlier discussions on debian-project :
Message-id: <87k3n14i5f.fsf <at> windlord.stanford.edu>
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg00886.html)

Just in case it helps WRT current rewrites of whois/mentors/DPA etc.

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Olivier Berger | 14 Aug 2012 10:53

Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Hi.

Martín Ferrari <martin.ferrari <at> gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Enrico Zini <enrico <at> enricozini.org> wrote:
>> I've recently done a review of personal information sources in Debian,
>> which I'd like to share here both because I don't think this has been
>> done before, and to check if I missed anything.
>
> Coincidentally, I've been thinking about this issue recently. While
> thinking about the design for the Whois project I'm planning [1], one
> stumbling block I find is that there are many unsynchronised sources
> of (public) personal information in Debian, and most important, that
> there is not a single identity provider to sync them.
>
> Sounds like you may be working on something like that, and in that
> case I'd be interested in being involved. I think a service that
> provides a centralised database of identities, which allows each
> person to tailor how their identity is exposed, would be very helpful,
> and would allow to improve many other services that currently rely on
> incomplete identity information, specially for non-D[DM]s.
>
>
> [1] http://beta.howtorecognise.mine.nu/blog/whois.html
>

Do you have any preferred means to receive some feedback on your
proposal (I can't seem to find some comments on your blog post) ?

Thanks in advance.

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Martín Ferrari | 14 Aug 2012 20:18

Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Olivier Berger <obergix <at> debian.org> wrote:
> Do you have any preferred means to receive some feedback on your
> proposal (I can't seem to find some comments on your blog post) ?

Sorry, I've never had the patience or motivation to enable them :)
Email to this very thread seems like a great place to discuss it :)

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Olivier Berger | 16 Aug 2012 10:38

Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Martín Ferrari <martin.ferrari <at> gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Olivier Berger <obergix <at> debian.org> wrote:
>> Do you have any preferred means to receive some feedback on your
>> proposal (I can't seem to find some comments on your blog post) ?
>
> Sorry, I've never had the patience or motivation to enable them :)
> Email to this very thread seems like a great place to discuss it :)
>

Great.

Here we go then :

Your proposal looks very interesting to me : part of the interest of FS
contributors, in contributing to projects, is to be able to demonstrate
through a review of their contributions in the open, that they have
skills that allow them to find good jobs.

Such a service is great if people would like to find Debian related
positions, and if the HR person wouldn't know where to search for past
records.

I think Ohloh.net provides, for instance an interesting comparison to
your proposal (see my profile for instance [0]). In case you didn't know
it, I suggest to check its features for inspiration.

Also may I suggest to think about adding a FOAF profile [1] and similar
machine-processable (RDF based, for interoperability benefits) documents
in addition to human readable ones, so that one can aggregate his debian

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Enrico Zini | 16 Aug 2012 14:52

Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:38:10AM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:

> I think Ohloh.net provides, for instance an interesting comparison to
> your proposal (see my profile for instance [0]). In case you didn't know
> it, I suggest to check its features for inspiration.

While I agree with most of what you said, I feel the need of a warning
before taking ohloh too seriously as an inspiration.

In my experience, ohlog has severe privacy issues: I once wrote them
saying that they were misrepresenting my work skills and politely asking
to please not show any information about my online persona, and they
basically replied telling me to fuck off. They didn't use the f word,
but they have been just as offensive.

We must not assume that, since there are public logs of VCSes or uploads
available for one's Debian work, then the person contributing to Debian
cannot have some reasonable objections on how that data is processed and
displayed, especially when processing changes the meaning of the data
somehow.

For example, if I uploaded a package at 9pm yesterday, we can safely
assume I'm happy that the world knows that I uploaded a package at 9pm
yesterday. But we cannot, for example, assume that I also meant to
publish information about when I usually do Debian work, or when I'm
usually at home, or whether I like to do work or have fun during Italian
national holidays.

Similarly, if me and you commit patches to the same project, we don't
necessarily mean to tell the world that we are friends, or coworkers.

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Michael Gilbert | 17 Aug 2012 23:13

Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Enrico Zini wrote:
> Recklessly exposing too much information outside the context in which it
> was published can in some cases turn people away from contributing. If
> ohloh were actually being taken seriously by people in my professional
> circle, I would probably have to consider going through the extra
> trouble of not using my real identity while contributing to Free
> Software. We do not want that.

Couldn't most of these problems be solved by making the system opt-in
(i.e. requiring the user to do some manual configuration under his
alioth home with the ability to enable only the appropriate bits that
he/she wants)?

Best wishes,
Mike

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Enrico Zini | 20 Aug 2012 11:49

Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 05:13:10PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Enrico Zini wrote:
> > Recklessly exposing too much information outside the context in which it
> > was published can in some cases turn people away from contributing. If
[...]
> Couldn't most of these problems be solved by making the system opt-in
> (i.e. requiring the user to do some manual configuration under his
> alioth home with the ability to enable only the appropriate bits that
> he/she wants)?

I don't like "you opted in so now I do whatever I want with your data",
either.

opt-in could be useful for some odd features, but I think it's more
useful to allow people (within reason) to manage their information (both
in terms of being informed, and in terms of being able to change it),
and to be careful when playing with things that are visible by search
engine robots.

Ciao,

Enrico

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Martín Ferrari | 27 Aug 2012 01:29

Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

(Sorry I've been so slow to respond, I was pretty busy these days)

Hi Olivier,

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Olivier Berger
<olivier.berger <at> it-sudparis.eu> wrote:

> Your proposal looks very interesting to me : part of the interest of FS
> contributors, in contributing to projects, is to be able to demonstrate
> through a review of their contributions in the open, that they have
> skills that allow them to find good jobs.

> Such a service is great if people would like to find Debian related
> positions, and if the HR person wouldn't know where to search for past
> records.
>
> I think Ohloh.net provides, for instance an interesting comparison to
> your proposal (see my profile for instance [0]). In case you didn't know
> it, I suggest to check its features for inspiration.

Apart from the problems with Ohloh that Enrico already pointed out, I
haven't really thought of this as a sort of CV-enhancing thing. If it
helps anybody land a job, that's great. But my focus here was to make
people feel more engaged with Debian.

> Also may I suggest to think about adding a FOAF profile [1] and similar
> machine-processable (RDF based, for interoperability benefits) documents
> in addition to human readable ones, so that one can aggregate his debian
> whois with other forms of personnal profiles.

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Olivier Berger | 28 Aug 2012 11:31

Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Martín Ferrari <martin.ferrari <at> gmail.com> writes:

> (Sorry I've been so slow to respond, I was pretty busy these days)
>

+1 ;)

>
>> Also may I suggest to think about adding a FOAF profile [1] and similar
>> machine-processable (RDF based, for interoperability benefits) documents
>> in addition to human readable ones, so that one can aggregate his debian
>> whois with other forms of personnal profiles.
>
> I'm all for that, yes. I don't know anything about these formats, but
> once the data is there, it'll probably be just a matter of producing a
> different output, or am I missing something?
>

Not really ;)

My advice would be to try and seek details on RDF as Turtle and not XML,
if you happen to need more documentation.

The great thing about FOAF and by extension WebID (see my response to
Enrico), is that it's natively interoperable with other services
(thinking about Debian derivatives' or upstreams') in principle.

Now, some people are reluctant in implementing RDF as they think RDF ==
XML, but that is not true, as RDF is just a model with various
implementations lile XML, or Turtle (more human readable) or JSON, etc.

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Olivier Berger | 29 Aug 2012 13:44

Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal - Was: Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Hi.

A bit more details about FOAF.

Olivier Berger <olivier.berger <at> it-sudparis.eu> writes:

>
> Also may I suggest to think about adding a FOAF profile [1] and similar
> machine-processable (RDF based, for interoperability benefits) documents
> in addition to human readable ones, so that one can aggregate his debian
> whois with other forms of personnal profiles.
>
> For instance, I'm already linking in my WebID (which is FOAF based) [3]
> my other "identities" at ohloh, on bibliographic indexes, or other
> forges.
>
> There's a plugin for FusionForge that provides FOAF descriptions of
> accounts that could be used to provide a feed for consumption in your
> tool, provided it was installed on alioth.
>
> Of course, you may achieve same results without FOAF and RDF, but the
> great thing about these standards is that anyone can mix these sources
> with others and mesh a Semantic Web of people profiles for many use
> cases. Interoperability 
>

Oh, and I forgot that I had added to http://people.debian.org/~obergix/
a link (<link rel="meta" type="application/rdf+xml" title="FOAF" ...) to
my "Debian FOAF profile" : <http://people.debian.org/~obergix/foaf.rdf>

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Olivier Berger | 13 Feb 2013 23:01

Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC) - Was: Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal

Hi.

I've been doing some experiment with a modified version of the
"people_scripts" which generate the http://www.debian.org/devel/people
page, in order to generate (short) FOAF [1] profiles for all package
maintainers (along the lines I has drafted in my previous mail).

Here's a first result, in case you're interested :
http://people.debian.org/~obergix/foafs.ttl in Turtle format

For instance, you'll find me there as
<http://people.debian.org/~obergix/foafs.ttl#obergix> :

  <http://people.debian.org/~obergix/foafs.ttl#obergix>
    a foaf:Person ;
    rdfs:seeAlso <http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=obergix <at> debian.org> ;
    owl:sameAs <http://www.debian.org/devel/people#MAINT_Berger>,
<http://www.debian.org/devel/people#MAINT_obergix> ;
    foaf:firstName "Olivier" ;
    foaf:homepage <http://www.olivierberger.org/> ;
    foaf:lastName "Berger" ;
    foaf:mbox <mailto:obergix <at> debian.org> ;
    foaf:name "Berger, Olivier" .

I shall now see to host this at a better location, like for instance
http://webid.debian.net/maintainers, so that I'm identified as
<http://webid.debian.net/maintainers#obergix>.

Next steps may involve adding some personal FOAF entry to LDAP that
could be used to interlink it, adding the maintainer's URI in the PTS'

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Jonas Smedegaard | 15 Feb 2013 12:40

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC) - Was: Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal

Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-13 23:01:27)
> > Oh, and I forgot that I had added to 
> > http://people.debian.org/~obergix/ a link (<link rel="meta" 
> > type="application/rdf+xml" title="FOAF" ...) to my "Debian FOAF 
> > profile" : <http://people.debian.org/~obergix/foaf.rdf>

In your personal foaf.ttl file you state that not you but your Debian 
account is contributor to your packages.  That seems wrong to me.

 - Jonas

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Jonas Smedegaard | 15 Feb 2013 12:54

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC) - Was: Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal

Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2013-02-15 12:40:00)
> Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-13 23:01:27)
> > > Oh, and I forgot that I had added to 
> > > http://people.debian.org/~obergix/ a link (<link rel="meta" 
> > > type="application/rdf+xml" title="FOAF" ...) to my "Debian FOAF 
> > > profile" : <http://people.debian.org/~obergix/foaf.rdf>
> 
> In your personal foaf.ttl file you state that not you but your Debian 
> account is contributor to your packages.  That seems wrong to me.

In case others find that useful, attached is the script + template I use 
to generate a personal FOAF file inspired by above.

...and to generate sha1sum I use this:

  echo -n 'mailto:dr <at> jones.dk' | sha1sum

 - Jonas

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Olivier Berger | 15 Feb 2013 16:24

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC) - Was: Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal

Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:

> Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-13 23:01:27)
>> > Oh, and I forgot that I had added to 
>> > http://people.debian.org/~obergix/ a link (<link rel="meta" 
>> > type="application/rdf+xml" title="FOAF" ...) to my "Debian FOAF 
>> > profile" : <http://people.debian.org/~obergix/foaf.rdf>
>
> In your personal foaf.ttl file you state that not you but your Debian 
> account is contributor to your packages.  That seems wrong to me.
>

Well... that's the way I've implemented the RDF spit by the PTS, so
far. For example (excerpt from http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cdbs.ttl):

<http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs#project>
    doap:name "Debian cdbs packaging" ;
    doap:description "Maintenance of the cdbs source package in Debian" ;
    doap:homepage <http://packages.debian.org/src:cdbs> ;
    doap:homepage <http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs> ;
    schema:contributor [
      a foaf:OnlineAccount ;
      foaf:accountName "Jonas Smedegaard" ;
      foaf:accountServiceHomepage <http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dr <at> jones.dk>
    ] ;
    a admssw:SoftwareProject .

The OnlineAccount blank node being ready to be replaced by
<http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js#account> any time soon.

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Jonas Smedegaard | 16 Feb 2013 10:26

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC) - Was: Re: Feedback on your Whois system proposal

Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-15 16:24:33)
> Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:
> > In your personal foaf.ttl file you state that not you but your 
> > Debian account is contributor to your packages.  That seems wrong to 
> > me.
> >
> 
> Well... that's the way I've implemented the RDF spit by the PTS, so 
> far. For example (excerpt from 
> http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cdbs.ttl):
> 
> <http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs#project>
>     doap:name "Debian cdbs packaging" ;
>     doap:description "Maintenance of the cdbs source package in Debian" ;
>     doap:homepage <http://packages.debian.org/src:cdbs> ;
>     doap:homepage <http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs> ;
>     schema:contributor [
>       a foaf:OnlineAccount ;
>       foaf:accountName "Jonas Smedegaard" ;
>       foaf:accountServiceHomepage <http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dr <at> jones.dk>
>     ] ;
>     a admssw:SoftwareProject .
> 
> The OnlineAccount blank node being ready to be replaced by 
> <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js#account> any time soon.
> 
> Thus I'm able to distinguish those you upload as dr <at> jones.dk from 
> those as js <at> debian.org : 2 distinct OnlineAccount resources who may 
> happen to belong (foaf:account) to the same Person 
> <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js>.

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Olivier Berger | 21 Feb 2013 19:31

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC)

Hi.

Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:

> Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-15 16:24:33)
>> Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:
>> > In your personal foaf.ttl file you state that not you but your 
>> > Debian account is contributor to your packages.  That seems wrong to 
>> > me.
>> >
SNIP
>
> Something like this seems logical to me (i.e. wrapping in holdsAccount):
>
> <http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs#project>
>     doap:name "Debian cdbs packaging" ;
>     doap:description "Maintenance of the cdbs source package in Debian" ;
>     doap:homepage <http://packages.debian.org/src:cdbs> ;
>     doap:homepage <http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs> ;
>     schema:contributor [
>       a foaf:Agent ;
>       holdsAccount [
>         foaf:accountName "Jonas Smedegaard" ;
>         foaf:accountServiceHomepage <http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dr <at> jones.dk>
>       ] ;
>     ] ;
>     a admssw:SoftwareProject .
>
> That expression only says that the person contributing to the project 
> has such account, not that it was through that account the contribution

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Jonas Smedegaard | 21 Feb 2013 20:54

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC)

Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-21 19:31:45)
> Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:
> 
> > Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-15 16:24:33)
> >> Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:
> >> > In your personal foaf.ttl file you state that not you but your 
> >> > Debian account is contributor to your packages.  That seems wrong 
> >> > to me.
> >> >
> SNIP
> >
> > Something like this seems logical to me (i.e. wrapping in 
> > holdsAccount):
SNIP
> Thanks for this suggestion. I think it makes sense 
> 
> Here's the way I plan to have the PTS do the things now (excerpted 
> from my locally generated cdbs.ttl - corresponding change committed on 
> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/obergix/qa.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master):
> 
> <http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs#project>
>     schema:contributor [
>       a foaf:Agent ;
>       foaf:name "Jonas Smedegaard" ;
>       foaf:account [
>          a foaf:OnlineAccount ;
>          foaf:accountServiceHomepage <http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dr <at> jones.dk> ;
>          owl:sameAs <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#account>
>       ] ;
>       owl:sameAs <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#agent>

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Olivier Berger | 21 Feb 2013 21:12

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC)

Hi.

Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:

>> 
>> <http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs#project>
>>     schema:contributor [
>>       a foaf:Agent ;
>>       foaf:name "Jonas Smedegaard" ;
>>       foaf:account [
>>          a foaf:OnlineAccount ;
>>          foaf:accountServiceHomepage <http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dr <at> jones.dk> ;
>>          owl:sameAs <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#account>
>>       ] ;
>>       owl:sameAs <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#agent>
>>     ] ;
>
> Looks almost correct now - with the exception of my original key point: 
> You still declare above that the Agent by name "Jonas Smedegaard" is an 
> account.
>

Well, no. I'm saying that the Agent named "Jonas Smedegaard" *has* an
account. foaf:account is the replacing foaf:holdsAccount, it seems (see
http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_holdsAccount).

> I believe changing line 5 to foaf:holdsAccount makes it semanticly 
> correct.
>
>

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Jonas Smedegaard | 21 Feb 2013 22:40

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC)

Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-21 21:12:57)
> Hi.
> 
> Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:
> 
> >> 
> >> <http://packages.qa.debian.org/cdbs#project>
> >>     schema:contributor [
> >>       a foaf:Agent ;
> >>       foaf:name "Jonas Smedegaard" ;
> >>       foaf:account [
> >>          a foaf:OnlineAccount ;
> >>          foaf:accountServiceHomepage <http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dr <at> jones.dk> ;
> >>          owl:sameAs <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#account>
> >>       ] ;
> >>       owl:sameAs <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#agent>
> >>     ] ;
> >
> > Looks almost correct now - with the exception of my original key 
> > point: You still declare above that the Agent by name "Jonas 
> > Smedegaard" is an account.
> >
> 
> 
> Well, no. I'm saying that the Agent named "Jonas Smedegaard" *has* an 
> account. foaf:account is the replacing foaf:holdsAccount, it seems 
> (see http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_holdsAccount).

Indeed - I stand corrected.

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Olivier Berger | 22 Feb 2013 11:25

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintaines (POC)

Hi.

Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:

> Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-21 21:12:57)
>
>> P.S.: there's apparently a bug in that
>> <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#agent>'s
>> foaf:firstName is 'Maintainer:' :-/ ... will see if I can spot the
>> culprit perl code ;)
>
> Perl code? Where?  Perhaps I can help...
>
> I looked very briefly at a single git commit you referred to, but was 
> immediately scared off by a pile of XSLT.
>

Yes, the PTS is operated through XSLT, but I was referring to the Perl
code which generates the webid.debian.net documents [0] (quick and dirty
hack by a non-perl programmer ;).

Actually, there seems to be bugs indeed in some package descriptions (as
discussed on -qa), so expect a few bug reports.

Best regards,

[0] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/obergix/webid.git
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Olivier Berger | 14 Feb 2013 17:08

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

Hi.

Olivier Berger <obergix <at> debian.org> writes:
>
> I've been doing some experiment with a modified version of the
> "people_scripts" which generate the http://www.debian.org/devel/people
> page, in order to generate (short) FOAF [1] profiles for all package
> maintainers (along the lines I has drafted in my previous mail).
>
SNIP
>
> I shall now see to host this at a better location, like for instance
> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers, so that I'm identified as
> <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers#obergix>.
>

I've now deployed the profiles as Turtle files on the newly registered
webid.debian.net.

Debian developers profiles are available as Turtle at :
http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/LOGIN

So for instance, I can be identified as a foaf:Person named
<http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/obergix#agent> 

For non-developer maintainers, a sha1 will be used, in the same manner
as the foaf:mbox_sha1sum

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Paul Wise | 15 Feb 2013 02:24

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Olivier Berger wrote:

> I've now deployed the profiles as Turtle files on the newly registered
> webid.debian.net.

So now we have one more site to look people up:

http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/pabs
http://portfolio.debian.net/result?email=pabs%40debian.org&nonddemail=pabs3%40bonedaddy.net&forumsid=13918
https://db.debian.org/search.cgi?uid=pabs&dosearch=Search

I just submitted a patch for portfolio.debian.net adding a link to the
webid page, with "FOAF profile" as the text.

> For non-developer maintainers, a sha1 will be used, in the same manner
> as the foaf:mbox_sha1sum

Why not just use the full email?

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Olivier Berger | 15 Feb 2013 10:52

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

Hi.

Paul Wise <pabs <at> debian.org> writes:

> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Olivier Berger wrote:
>
>> I've now deployed the profiles as Turtle files on the newly registered
>> webid.debian.net.
>
> So now we have one more site to look people up:
>
> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/pabs
> http://portfolio.debian.net/result?email=pabs%40debian.org&nonddemail=pabs3%40bonedaddy.net&forumsid=13918
> https://db.debian.org/search.cgi?uid=pabs&dosearch=Search
>

Ultimately I'd like to avoid proliferation, but in order to minimize
impact on other people's things, I've started this webid.debian.net POC
on a separate host.

I'll try and have a look at the portfolio again, and hopefully, we may
be able to merge in the future and on a debian.org host.

I'm just afraid of the lack of coordination / fragmentation of efforts,
but we'll try and work on this issue, I'm sure ;)

> I just submitted a patch for portfolio.debian.net adding a link to the
> webid page, with "FOAF profile" as the text.
>

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Paul Wise | 16 Feb 2013 02:58

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

[I'm subscribed]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Olivier Berger wrote:

> I'll try and have a look at the portfolio again, and hopefully, we may
> be able to merge in the future and on a debian.org host.

Cool.

> Well... I was inspired by the foaf:mbox_sha1sum attribute... I'm not
> sure it's worth publicizing too much people's mails for non Debian
> project members : they may be mor evolatile than the debian
> logins... but that could be changed, for instance using the %40
> character...

We already do that on various pages.

> I'll give it a bit more thought, but any opinions welcome, of course.

Personally I prefer it to any hash.

> You may note that I have evolved a bit the generated FOAF documents to
> separate the Agent/Person from the OnlineAccount they use to contribute
> to Debian (this may help tracking a same person's contributions made under
> different emails, for instance as a hobby or professionally).

There are people in Debian who have the same name, I forget which
names though. You might need to duplicate the code that DDPO
differentiates them.

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Olivier Berger | 21 Feb 2013 17:32

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

Hi.

Paul Wise <pabs <at> debian.org> writes:

> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Olivier Berger wrote:
>
>> Well... I was inspired by the foaf:mbox_sha1sum attribute... I'm not
>> sure it's worth publicizing too much people's mails for non Debian
>> project members : they may be mor evolatile than the debian
>> logins... but that could be changed, for instance using the %40
>> character...
>
> We already do that on various pages.
>
>> I'll give it a bit more thought, but any opinions welcome, of course.
>
> Personally I prefer it to any hash.
>

Just FYI, following your advices, I've now changed the generation of
URIs for non debian project members to using the email.

The email is lowercased and URL-encoded (Perl's uri_encode($URI, {
encode_reserved => 1 })).

See for instance :
<http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#agent>

The debian project member's FOAF URIs don't change, so far.

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Paul Wise | 22 Feb 2013 00:36

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Olivier Berger wrote:

> Just FYI, following your advices, I've now changed the generation of
> URIs for non debian project members to using the email.

Thanks.

> The email is lowercased and URL-encoded (Perl's uri_encode($URI, {
> encode_reserved => 1 })).
>
> See for instance :
> <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk#agent>
>
> The debian project member's FOAF URIs don't change, so far.
>
> I'll work on the other bits of feedback I have received.

I note that some DDs URLs don't work, for example:

http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js

Some mail URLs don't work either:

http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/pabs <at> debian.org
http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/pabs%40debian.org

The lower-casing probably shouldn't be done, since the user part of
email addresses is usually case-sensitive. It also makes it harder to
automatically link to.

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Olivier Berger | 22 Feb 2013 11:22

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

Paul Wise <pabs <at> debian.org> writes:

> I note that some DDs URLs don't work, for example:
>
> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js
>

Yes, known issue : Jonas uploads with other email addresses, so the
Maintainer fileds on which I'm based (remember it's using the same
scripts as the www.d.o/devel/people) don't report him as a maintainer.

His profile, so far is at
http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/dr%40jones.dk

I'll fix this some day.

> Some mail URLs don't work either:
>
> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/pabs <at> debian.org
> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/pabs%40debian.org

Yes, because for most Debian project members (those that sign the
Maintainer fields using their Debian email), they are found at URLs like:

http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/pabs#

But again, this needs to be addressed. 

I'm thinking of only one canonical URI to identify people, with several
ways to access it, and aliases (I'm not sure everyone is familiar with

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Christoph Egger | 22 Feb 2013 21:40

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

Hi!

Olivier Berger <olivier.berger <at> it-sudparis.eu> writes:
> Paul Wise <pabs <at> debian.org> writes:
>
>> I note that some DDs URLs don't work, for example:
>>
>> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js
>>
>
> Yes, known issue : Jonas uploads with other email addresses, so the
> Maintainer fileds on which I'm based (remember it's using the same
> scripts as the www.d.o/devel/people) don't report him as a maintainer.

FWIW I've been uploading with my  <at> debian.org address ever since I got DD
and still http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/christoph doesn't work

Regards

    Christoph

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Olivier Berger | 25 Feb 2013 16:00

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

Hi.

Christoph Egger <christoph <at> debian.org> writes:

> Hi!
>
> Olivier Berger <olivier.berger <at> it-sudparis.eu> writes:
>> Paul Wise <pabs <at> debian.org> writes:
>>
>>> I note that some DDs URLs don't work, for example:
>>>
>>> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js
>>>
>>
>> Yes, known issue : Jonas uploads with other email addresses, so the
>> Maintainer fileds on which I'm based (remember it's using the same
>> scripts as the www.d.o/devel/people) don't report him as a maintainer.
>
> FWIW I've been uploading with my  <at> debian.org address ever since I got DD
> and still http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/christoph doesn't work
>

Yes.

But http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/debian%40christoph-egger.org
does.

Actually, it looks like you are matched this way by the script for the
moment, like for http://www.debian.org/devel/people#MAINT_Egger.

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Paul Wise | 17 Feb 2013 00:48

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

> I just submitted a patch for portfolio.debian.net adding a link to the
> webid page, with "FOAF profile" as the text.

This got merged and deployed.

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Jonas Smedegaard | 15 Feb 2013 12:28

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-02-14 17:08:22)
> I've now deployed the profiles as Turtle files on the newly registered 
> webid.debian.net.

Exciting!

> Debian developers profiles are available as Turtle at :
> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/LOGIN

Mine is a 404: <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js>

[Resolving sha1sum] for the email I use for packaging works: 
<http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/8fb5238859d200bb4e1de91964c58d779f04a913>

...but resulting turtle data does not mention my ties to Debian.

I suggest looking up email adress in the Debian PGP keyring (and seed 
that data to UDD/DDE if not already done) to find such relationships as 
my holding both js <at> debian.org and dr <at> jones.dk (assured by multiple other 
members of our web of trust).

Also, I agree with Paul that it makes sense to use non-hashed email 
addresses: They are already public when used for packaging.

I suggest to put link to source for the service at the (currently empty) 
front page <http://webid.debian.net/>.

Really great initiative.

Regards,

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Olivier Berger | 15 Feb 2013 16:09

Re: Generation of FOAF profiles for all package maintainers (POC)

Jonas Smedegaard <dr <at> jones.dk> writes:
Hi.

>> Debian developers profiles are available as Turtle at :
>> http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/LOGIN
>
> Mine is a 404: <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/js>
>
> [Resolving sha1sum] for the email I use for packaging works: 
> <http://webid.debian.net/maintainers/8fb5238859d200bb4e1de91964c58d779f04a913>
>
> ...but resulting turtle data does not mention my ties to Debian.
>

Well actually, for the moment, I'm using the same input data that the
script which generates www.d.o/devel/people, which doesn't query LDAP
and only parses the Package/Source maintainer fields.

> I suggest looking up email adress in the Debian PGP keyring (and seed 
> that data to UDD/DDE if not already done) to find such relationships as 
> my holding both js <at> debian.org and dr <at> jones.dk (assured by multiple other 
> members of our web of trust).
>

Yes, that would be the best thing to do for sure, for a real WebID
service. 

I'll try and check how this is done in
http://qa.debian.org/developer.php, for instance, which binds your 2
identities, for instance.

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Olivier Berger | 14 Aug 2012 10:54

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Enrico Zini <enrico <at> enricozini.org> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I've recently done a review of personal information sources in Debian,
> which I'd like to share here both because I don't think this has been
> done before, and to check if I missed anything.
>

SNIP

>
>
> Did I miss anything in this review? Is everything represented correctly?
>

Dunno, but that's a very interesting piece of docs IMHO.

Would you consider adding this to wiki.d.o so that it can be maintained
collaboratively ?

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
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Enrico Zini | 16 Aug 2012 14:53

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:54:38AM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:

> Would you consider adding this to wiki.d.o so that it can be maintained
> collaboratively ?

Sounds good with me. If you have a good name for the wiki page, please
feel free to copypaste my email into it.

Ciao,

Enrico

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Olivier Berger | 17 Aug 2012 11:22

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

Hi.

Enrico Zini <enrico <at> enricozini.org> writes:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:54:38AM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
>
>> Would you consider adding this to wiki.d.o so that it can be maintained
>> collaboratively ?
>
> Sounds good with me. If you have a good name for the wiki page, please
> feel free to copypaste my email into it.
>

I'm not sure I found a good name, but it's a wiki, eh ;)

Here you go : http://wiki.debian.org/ContributorsInformationSources

Others, I haven't re-read the thread, to add other contributions to the
discussion to the wiki page.

Feel free to edit it at will.

Best regards,
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Enrico Zini | 17 Aug 2012 12:20

Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:22:55AM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:

> Here you go : http://wiki.debian.org/ContributorsInformationSources
> Others, I haven't re-read the thread, to add other contributions to the
> discussion to the wiki page.
> Feel free to edit it at will.

I've added MIA and Carnivore, mostly as stubs, which were mentioned to
me in a private email.

UDD was also mentioned to me, but I don't know if it should be added to
that list. It probably shouldn't if it's just an alternative interface
to existing data sources.

However, it probably should if it is storing unique information, or if
it is distributing information to a larger audience than the original
data sources. For example, UDD exports carnivore data to anyone who has
an alioth account, but can carnivore itself be accessed by people who
just have an alioth account?

Ciao,

Enrico

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