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Francesca Ciceri | 31 Mar 2012 01:59
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Debian Project News 2012/07 frozen. Please review and translate.

[TL;DR: frozen means frozen. we'll not accept major changes not
grammar/spelling/style related. if you want to join the fantastic process
of draft DPN, do it *before* the freeze. Thanks for understanding.]

Hi,

we just finished the latest bits of the Debian Project News to be sent on
Monday.
We'd really appreciate reviews and translations.

Here's the link:

http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/publicity/dpn/en/current/index.wml?view=markup

Please note that according to our current workflow we'll not accept major
changes in the content, if not related to grammar/spelling/style issues.
This is due to the fact that last minute changes on the content are
really problematic for translators: the right moment to propose changes different
from minor grammar/spelling/style fixes is *before* the freeze.

This means also that if you want to contribute writing an article, or
reviewing one (proposing a different approach to an argument, or a different way of
talking about something, etc) you just need to pick up a todo item (in
the index.wml file at publicity/dpn/en/current/ ) and write the related
article *before* the call for reviews.

Please respect this workflow: we don't like to waste your contributions
and ideas but we also can't make translator's life too hard :).
If you think that the quality of text we submit to review need to be
improved, feel free to join us in the drafting process. You can reach us
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Andrei POPESCU | 31 Mar 2012 10:36
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Re: Debian Project News 2012/07 frozen. Please review and translate.

On Sb, 31 mar 12, 01:59:20, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> [TL;DR: frozen means frozen. we'll not accept major changes not
> grammar/spelling/style related. if you want to join the fantastic process
> of draft DPN, do it *before* the freeze. Thanks for understanding.]

Hi Francesca,

Do you think it would be possible to get a few days heads-up on the 
proposed freeze date? I don't follow IRC and my guess is I'm not the 
only one.

Thanks,
Andrei
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David Prévot | 31 Mar 2012 21:36
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Re: Debian Project News 2012/07 frozen. Please review and translate.

Hi,

Le 31/03/2012 04:36, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> On Sb, 31 mar 12, 01:59:20, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
>> [TL;DR: frozen means frozen. we'll not accept major changes not
>> grammar/spelling/style related. if you want to join the fantastic process
>> of draft DPN, do it *before* the freeze. Thanks for understanding.]

> Do you think it would be possible to get a few days heads-up on the 
> proposed freeze date?

As two weeks ago, and two weeks before that, and two weeks again before,
you can expect a freeze on the Friday preceding the issue (i.e. every
two weeks).

Regards

David
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David Prévot | 1 Apr 2012 16:51
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DPN workflow (was: Debian Project News 2012/07 frozen. Please review and translate.)


Le 31/03/2012 15:36, David Prévot a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> Le 31/03/2012 04:36, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
>> On Sb, 31 mar 12, 01:59:20, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
>>> [TL;DR: frozen means frozen. we'll not accept major changes not
>>> grammar/spelling/style related. if you want to join the fantastic process
>>> of draft DPN, do it *before* the freeze. Thanks for understanding.]
> 
>> Do you think it would be possible to get a few days heads-up on the 
>> proposed freeze date?
> 
> you can expect a freeze on the Friday preceding the issue

Looking back at my previous message, I realize it could have sounded a
bit rude, sorry about that. In order to be a little more constructive,
let me share some thoughts we recently had while discussing the
publicity workflow (those are mainly if not exclusively Francesca's
ideas, who is taking care of mostly if not all the DPN work these days,
so she may correct if needed).

In order to write smoothly the DPN, we could really better share the
work: it's OK to write and organize the last missing bits the Friday
before the issue, but it's less effective if we write it all at the last
minute form scratch. We add some TODOs when we see DPN material during
the two weeks, but we are not really good to draft stuff before the last
Friday, even if some people actually replied to the recent call to help
the publicity team. Maybe should we have a regular (short) IRC meeting
once every two weeks (the weekend we don't actually send the DPN), in
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Andrei POPESCU | 2 Apr 2012 11:28
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Re: DPN workflow (was: Debian Project News 2012/07 frozen. Please review and translate.)

On Du, 01 apr 12, 10:51:57, David Prévot wrote:
> Le 31/03/2012 15:36, David Prévot a écrit :
> > Le 31/03/2012 04:36, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> > 
> >> Do you think it would be possible to get a few days heads-up on the 
> >> proposed freeze date?
> > 
> > you can expect a freeze on the Friday preceding the issue
> 
> Looking back at my previous message, I realize it could have sounded a
> bit rude, sorry about that.

No worries :)

> In order to be a little more constructive,
> let me share some thoughts we recently had while discussing the
> publicity workflow (those are mainly if not exclusively Francesca's
> ideas, who is taking care of mostly if not all the DPN work these days,
> so she may correct if needed).
> 
> In order to write smoothly the DPN, we could really better share the
> work: it's OK to write and organize the last missing bits the Friday
> before the issue, but it's less effective if we write it all at the last
> minute form scratch. We add some TODOs when we see DPN material during
> the two weeks, but we are not really good to draft stuff before the last
> Friday, even if some people actually replied to the recent call to help
> the publicity team. Maybe should we have a regular (short) IRC meeting
> once every two weeks (the weekend we don't actually send the DPN), in
> order to share the TODO items of the DPN and of other publicity fronts.
> Any thoughts about this proposal?
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Filipus Klutiero | 2 Apr 2012 22:42
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Regular DPN meetings? (Re: DPN workflow)

Hi Andrei,

On 2012-04-02 05:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 01 apr 12, 10:51:57, David Prévot wrote:
>> Le 31/03/2012 15:36, David Prévot a écrit :
>>> Le 31/03/2012 04:36, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
>>>
>>> [...] 
>> In order to be a little more constructive,
>> let me share some thoughts we recently had while discussing the
>> publicity workflow (those are mainly if not exclusively Francesca's
>> ideas, who is taking care of mostly if not all the DPN work these days,
>> so she may correct if needed).
>>
>> In order to write smoothly the DPN, we could really better share the
>> work: it's OK to write and organize the last missing bits the Friday
>> before the issue, but it's less effective if we write it all at the last
>> minute form scratch. We add some TODOs when we see DPN material during
>> the two weeks, but we are not really good to draft stuff before the last
>> Friday, even if some people actually replied to the recent call to help
>> the publicity team. Maybe should we have a regular (short) IRC meeting
>> once every two weeks (the weekend we don't actually send the DPN), in
>> order to share the TODO items of the DPN and of other publicity fronts.
>> Any thoughts about this proposal?
> While I know IRC is very valuable, IMVHO you may be excluding potential
> contributors[1] if you don't somehow include those following only the
> mailing list(s).
>
> [1] me excluded, not been much of a contributor anyway :p
>
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Francesca Ciceri | 2 Apr 2012 23:24
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Re: Regular DPN meetings? (Re: DPN workflow)

On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 04:42:28PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
> 
> That being said, I'm skeptical about the realism / helpfulness of
> such meetings. Is it frequent that a writer gets to commit an item
> and realizes someone else just wrote it?

Not at all. It's true the contrary, sadly :)

> I wasn't aware that the DPN was written at the last minute until
> David noted it.

Yeah, it's our Friday night party: generally me, David and Cédric trying
to cook it before Saturday. We generally finish it at midnight (european
time) or later.

> What is causing this? Are we short on manpower so
> everyone waits hoping that someone else will write before? Or are
> writers just waiting as much as possible so they don't need to
> update an entry about an ongoing event? 

I can't speak for David or Cédric (even if I think that at least David's
case is similar to mine) but my "Debian" time is often quite full of
things to do. Sometimes I can manage to write a couple of paragraphs of
DPN during the week, but if I have also an announcement to do, it ends up
that I have simply not enough time to dedicate to DPN.
On the other hand (and note that this it is just a sensation, I could be
wrong) there are a lot of people who would like to contribute but they
simply don't know how to do it. Or they'd need a bit of
tutoring/mentoring.
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Francesca Ciceri | 2 Apr 2012 23:50
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Re: Regular DPN meetings? (Re: DPN workflow)

Maybe adding also footnotes is better :)

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2012/01/msg00014.html
[2] doh! just noticed that this list is not publicly available: is there
a specific reason for it? can't we make it public?

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Filipus Klutiero | 5 Apr 2012 21:49
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Re: Regular DPN meetings?

Hi Francesca,

On 2012-04-02 17:24, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 04:42:28PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
>> That being said, I'm skeptical about the realism / helpfulness of
>> such meetings. Is it frequent that a writer gets to commit an item
>> and realizes someone else just wrote it?
>
> Not at all. It's true the contrary, sadly :)
>
>> I wasn't aware that the DPN was written at the last minute until
>> David noted it.
> Yeah, it's our Friday night party: generally me, David and Cédric trying
> to cook it before Saturday. We generally finish it at midnight (european
> time) or later.
>
>> What is causing this? Are we short on manpower so
>> everyone waits hoping that someone else will write before? Or are
>> writers just waiting as much as possible so they don't need to
>> update an entry about an ongoing event?
> I can't speak for David or Cédric (even if I think that at least David's
> case is similar to mine) but my "Debian" time is often quite full of
> things to do. Sometimes I can manage to write a couple of paragraphs of
> DPN during the week, but if I have also an announcement to do, it ends up
> that I have simply not enough time to dedicate to DPN.
> On the other hand (and note that this it is just a sensation, I could be
> wrong) there are a lot of people who would like to contribute but they
> simply don't know how to do it. Or they'd need a bit of
> tutoring/mentoring.
>
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Filipus Klutiero | 2 Apr 2012 08:29
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Review (Re: Debian Project News 2012/07 frozen. Please review and translate.)

On 2012-03-30 19:59, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> [TL;DR: frozen means frozen. we'll not accept major changes not
> grammar/spelling/style related. if you want to join the fantastic process
> of draft DPN, do it *before* the freeze. Thanks for understanding.]
>
>
> Hi,
>
> we just finished the latest bits of the Debian Project News to be sent on
> Monday.
> We'd really appreciate reviews and translations.
>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/publicity/dpn/en/current/index.wml?view=markup
>
>

Thank you Francesca and everyone. Here are my remarks.

> Andreas Tille sent some
> <a href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/03/msg00009.html">bits
> from the Debian Med team</a>, where he talked about recent initiatives of the
> team including the<a href="http://debian-med.alteholz.de/advent/"><q>Debian
> Med Bug Squashing Advent Calendar 2011</q></a>  and the
> <a href="http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMed/MoM"><q>Mentoring of Month</q>
> (MoM)</a>  project.

s/Mentoring of Month/Mentoring of the Month/
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Filipus Klutiero | 2 Apr 2012 22:11
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DPN workflow (Re: Debian Project News 2012/07 frozen. Please review and translate.)

Hi Francesca,

On 2012-03-30 19:59, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> [TL;DR: frozen means frozen. we'll not accept major changes not
> grammar/spelling/style related. if you want to join the fantastic process
> of draft DPN, do it *before* the freeze. Thanks for understanding.]
>
>
> Hi,
>
> we just finished the latest bits of the Debian Project News to be sent on
> Monday.
> We'd really appreciate reviews and translations.
>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/publicity/dpn/en/current/index.wml?view=markup
>
> Please note that according to our current workflow we'll not accept major
> changes in the content, if not related to grammar/spelling/style issues.
> This is due to the fact that last minute changes on the content are
> really problematic for translators: the right moment to propose changes different
> from minor grammar/spelling/style fixes is *before* the freeze.

I don't read the current workflow as requiring an extraordinary freeze. 
The freeze has traditionally been a classic freeze on new content. We 
currently just have one freeze, so although it would be good to fix the 
content before starting the translations, we can't make our freeze 
l10n-only.
You contrast major content changes with localization changes. What about
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