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Norbert Preining | 1 Oct 2005 20:45

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hi Hilmar!

(Taking out all the others from this thread and only go to debian-tetex)

On Fre, 30 Sep 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
> http://www.amasol.de/~preusse/pfb2t1c2pfb/
> 
> That pfb2t1c2pfb-0.1.orig.tar.gz contains just the two c files.

Taken a look.

> Things I don't like:
> 1. Both programs didn't ever got a copyright statement

True. I would ask the author, or assume they are GPL since they are in
the .orig.tar.gz from cm-super in GPL. And Mickael once mentioned that
he got the ok to distribute the files under GPL. (But maybe it was from
the .pl file he was talking)

> 2. You said you have anywhere a man page for one of the programs?
>    Expanding it describe the other too and setting a symlink should
>    not be that hard.

I attach the quick hack manpage I wrote.

> 3. I didn't lintian the final package.

W: pfb2t1c2pfb source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1

should be 3.6.1.2 (or was it 2.1)

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Hilmar Preusse | 4 Oct 2005 19:41

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 01.10.05 Norbert Preining (preining <at> logic.at) wrote:
> On Fre, 30 Sep 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:

Hi,

> > Things I don't like:
> > 1. Both programs didn't ever got a copyright statement
> 
> True. I would ask the author, or assume they are GPL since they are
> in the .orig.tar.gz from cm-super in GPL. And Mickael once
> mentioned that he got the ok to distribute the files under GPL.
> (But maybe it was from the .pl file he was talking)
> 
Included the mail from Peter stating it is Freeware. I don't say it
is GPL.

> > 2. You said you have anywhere a man page for one of the programs?
> >    Expanding it describe the other too and setting a symlink should
> >    not be that hard.
> 
> I attach the quick hack manpage I wrote.
> 
I've expanded it and included a description of the reverse program.

> > 3. I didn't lintian the final package.
> 
> W: pfb2t1c2pfb source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1
> 
> should be 3.6.1.2 (or was it 2.1)
>

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Norbert Preining | 4 Oct 2005 23:20

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hallo Hilmar!

On Die, 04 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
> > mentioned that he got the ok to distribute the files under GPL.
> > (But maybe it was from the .pl file he was talking)
> > 
> Included the mail from Peter stating it is Freeware. I don't say it
> is GPL.

Freeware is ok. I guess.

> I've expanded it and included a description of the reverse program.

Thanks.

> > > 3. I didn't lintian the final package.
> > 
> > W: pfb2t1c2pfb source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1
> > 
> > should be 3.6.1.2 (or was it 2.1)
> > 
> changed to 3.6.2.

No, you didn't 

> Would be glad if you'd lintian it again. The thing I don't like is

I fixed the man page link and the wrong standards version. Last lintian
error I know well, and I have no idea what to do:
W: pfb2t1c2pfb: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man1/pfb2t1c.1.gz

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Frank Küster | 5 Oct 2005 11:22

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Norbert Preining <preining <at> logic.at> wrote:

> Hallo Hilmar!
>
> On Die, 04 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
>> > mentioned that he got the ok to distribute the files under GPL.
>> > (But maybe it was from the .pl file he was talking)
>> > 
>> Included the mail from Peter stating it is Freeware. I don't say it
>> is GPL.
>
> Freeware is ok. I guess.

Freeware is a dangerous name; Peter used "public domain" in his mail.
This is less ambiguous among software developers, but since the term is
undefined in many legislations (I think it's only defined in english and
derived legislation) it should be clarified.  A statement like

This software is in the public domain.  You may freely use, modify
and/or distribute it.

is common.  It would be good if you could ask Peter whether he agrees
with that.

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Hilmar Preusse | 6 Oct 2005 15:33

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 05.10.05 Frank Küster (frank <at> debian.org) wrote:
> Norbert Preining <preining <at> logic.at> wrote:
> > On Die, 04 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:

Hello *

> >> Included the mail from Peter stating it is Freeware. I don't say it
> >> is GPL.
> >
> > Freeware is ok. I guess.
> 
> Freeware is a dangerous name; Peter used "public domain" in his
> mail. This is less ambiguous among software developers, but since
> the term is undefined in many legislations (I think it's only
> defined in english and derived legislation) it should be clarified. 
> A statement like
> 
> This software is in the public domain.  You may freely use, modify
> and/or distribute it.
> 
Fixed. I gave the .orig.tar.gz a new version to reflect that change.
I tried a while to fix thge last lintian warning about the man page.
I created the following file:

hille <at> kloetzer:~/pfb2t1c2pfb/pfb2t1c2pfb-0.2/debian$ more lintian-override
# non-ASCII in man page, better fix known?
pfb2t1c2pfb: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man1/pfb2t1c.1.gz

and installed it as pfb2t1c2pfb into /usr/share/lintian/overrides.
However the warning remains. I guess we should simply ignore it.

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Norbert Preining | 6 Oct 2005 22:51

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hi Hilmar!

On Don, 06 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
> pfb2t1c2pfb: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man1/pfb2t1c.1.gz

I made some fixes to your package:
. man page fixed
. rules cleaned
. removed lintian override file

Now it is lintian clean. Attached is a diff from your current version
0.2-1 to my fixed version.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Hilmar Preusse | 7 Oct 2005 15:09

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 06.10.05 Norbert Preining (preining <at> logic.at) wrote:
> On Don, 06 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:

Hi,

> > pfb2t1c2pfb: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man1/pfb2t1c.1.gz
> 
> I made some fixes to your package:
> . man page fixed
> . rules cleaned
> . removed lintian override file
> 
> Now it is lintian clean. Attached is a diff from your current
> version 0.2-1 to my fixed version.
> 
Thanks. New package at the usual place. No, the version number did
not change.

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Norbert Preining | 10 Oct 2005 10:51

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hi Hilmar!

On Fre, 07 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
> Thanks. New package at the usual place. No, the version number did
> not change.

I rebuild the package with pbuilder/sid and everything is again on
www.tug.org:
	deb http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ t1c2pfb/
	deb-src http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ t1c2pfb/

Best wishes

Norbert

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Rogério Brito | 10 Oct 2005 11:05

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On Oct 10 2005, Norbert Preining wrote:
> 	deb http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ t1c2pfb/

Thanks, Norbert.

I downloaded the package from tug and installed it on a testing (etch)
system without any problems.

In a few days, I hope that cm-super will migrate to testing and, then, I
will be able to tell you what kind of boost I get when one installs
cm-super with the C version of the unpacking utilities instead of the
Perl ones.

Thanks again for your work, Rogério.

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Frank Küster | 6 Oct 2005 16:42

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hilmar Preusse <hille42 <at> web.de> wrote:

> Fixed. I gave the .orig.tar.gz a new version to reflect that change.
> I tried a while to fix thge last lintian warning about the man page.
> I created the following file:

Sorry for stepping in, I haven't followed the beginning of this thread.
But why do you package this as a separate source package?  Aren't the
source files included in the cm-super_$version.orig.tar.gz one gets from
CTAN? 

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Hilmar Preusse | 6 Oct 2005 20:32

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 06.10.05 Frank Küster (frank <at> debian.org) wrote:
> Hilmar Preusse <hille42 <at> web.de> wrote:

Hi,

> > Fixed. I gave the .orig.tar.gz a new version to reflect that
> > change. I tried a while to fix thge last lintian warning about
> > the man page. I created the following file:
> 
> Sorry for stepping in, I haven't followed the beginning of this
> thread. But why do you package this as a separate source package? 
> Aren't the source files included in the
> cm-super_$version.orig.tar.gz one gets from CTAN?
> 
No. The pfb2t1c and t1c2pfb is introduced by the diff.gz. These
program were written by the package Peter Szabo. Norbert could
simply build another bin package from cm-super.

Advantage: we don't introduce another source package
Disadvantage: to build pfb2t1c2pfb one need to download the 60MB
tarball of cm-super (just to get these 2 C-Files).

I'm still a little bit more for a separate pfb2t1c2pfb, as it is not
really related to cm-super.

RfD?

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Frank Küster | 6 Oct 2005 21:02

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hilmar Preusse <hille42 <at> web.de> wrote:

> No. The pfb2t1c and t1c2pfb is introduced by the diff.gz. These
> program were written by the package Peter Szabo. 

But they are on CTAN, in a Debian subdirectory.  Surely the CTAN masters
have asked the cm-super maintainers whether this location is in order?
And now it's there.

> Advantage: we don't introduce another source package
> Disadvantage: to build pfb2t1c2pfb one need to download the 60MB
> tarball of cm-super (just to get these 2 C-Files).

That's a point.  cm-super is Architecture: all, but the buildd's would
have to download the big source of cm-super just to compile two tiny C
programs.  

> I'm still a little bit more for a separate pfb2t1c2pfb, as it is not
> really related to cm-super.

That's an other valid point.  Still it might be a good idea to create an
"upstream" project, if only on alioth, and not package as Debian-native.

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Hilmar Preusse | 11 Oct 2005 09:58

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 06.10.05 Frank Küster (frank <at> debian.org) wrote:
> Hilmar Preusse <hille42 <at> web.de> wrote:

Hi,

> > I'm still a little bit more for a separate pfb2t1c2pfb, as it is
> > not really related to cm-super.
> 
> That's an other valid point.  Still it might be a good idea to
> create an "upstream" project, if only on alioth, and not package as
> Debian-native.
> 
The project exists now on alioth. How to proceed now?

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Norbert Preining | 11 Oct 2005 23:13

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On Die, 11 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
> The project exists now on alioth. How to proceed now?

I would suggest that you as upstream maintainer release a version x.y.

Upstream can already contain the debian stuff, or it contains only the
necessary files.

Then as a debian maintainer create a package and I hope Frank will
sponsor it.

Best wishes

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Hilmar Preusse | 15 Oct 2005 14:24

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 11.10.05 Norbert Preining (preining <at> logic.at) wrote:
> On Die, 11 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:

Hi,

> > The project exists now on alioth. How to proceed now?
> 
> I would suggest that you as upstream maintainer release a version
> x.y.
> 
Means I take the .orig.tar.gz rename it to .tar.gz and release that
into the files section?

> Upstream can already contain the debian stuff, or it contains only
> the necessary files.
> 
I'd vote for keeping the Debian specific stuff in .diff.gz.

> Then as a debian maintainer create a package and I hope Frank will
> sponsor it.
> 
Means I add the .diff.gz and the dsc and upload all that (together
with a built Debian package) into incoming, right?
If Frank has not time to sponsor the upload I'll try to contact
Atsuhito.

As I said I'll be offline for two weeks.
Frank, Norbert I believe I gave you write permissions on project
pkg-pfb2t1c2pfb. So maybe you could do the first step and I could do
the upload after my return.

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Norbert Preining | 15 Oct 2005 14:31

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hi Hilmar!

On Sam, 15 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
> > I would suggest that you as upstream maintainer release a version
> > x.y.
> > 
> Means I take the .orig.tar.gz rename it to .tar.gz and release that
> into the files section?

Perfect.

> > Upstream can already contain the debian stuff, or it contains only
> > the necessary files.
> > 
> I'd vote for keeping the Debian specific stuff in .diff.gz.

Good with me.

> Means I add the .diff.gz and the dsc and upload all that (together
> with a built Debian package) into incoming, right?

And a .changes file too. Best is to build it prior in a pbuilder to see
if everything works. 

> If Frank has not time to sponsor the upload I'll try to contact
> Atsuhito.

Perfect.

> Frank, Norbert I believe I gave you write permissions on project

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Frank Küster | 12 Oct 2005 08:27

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Norbert Preining <preining <at> logic.at> wrote:

> Then as a debian maintainer create a package and I hope Frank will
> sponsor it.

In principle yes.  But currently I plan to put what time I have in
bringing tetex-3.0 to unstable (and handle the bunch of bug reports that
will come in then).

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Hilmar Preusse | 7 Oct 2005 14:18

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 06.10.05 Frank Küster (frank <at> debian.org) wrote:
> Hilmar Preusse <hille42 <at> web.de> wrote:

Hi,

> > I'm still a little bit more for a separate pfb2t1c2pfb, as it is not
> > really related to cm-super.
> 
> That's an other valid point.  Still it might be a good idea to
> create an "upstream" project, if only on alioth, and not package as
> Debian-native.
> 
Means, I'll create an new project for that? Will do so ASAP.

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Norbert Preining | 6 Oct 2005 22:10

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hi Frank, hi Hilmar!

On Don, 06 Okt 2005, Frank Küster wrote:
> > No. The pfb2t1c and t1c2pfb is introduced by the diff.gz. These
> > program were written by the package Peter Szabo. 
>
> But they are on CTAN, in a Debian subdirectory.  Surely the CTAN masters
> have asked the cm-super maintainers whether this location is in order?
> And now it's there.

This is not true, Hilmar. They are NOT introduced in the diff.gz, but
they are present in the .orig.tar.gz AS DOWNLOADED from CTAN!
Frank is right. The problem is that the `upstream' cm-super from CTAN
already contains a very very very old debian subdirectory which I don't
know why is still there.

> > Advantage: we don't introduce another source package
> > Disadvantage: to build pfb2t1c2pfb one need to download the 60MB
> > tarball of cm-super (just to get these 2 C-Files).
> 
> That's a point.  cm-super is Architecture: all, but the buildd's would
> have to download the big source of cm-super just to compile two tiny C
> programs.  
> 
> > I'm still a little bit more for a separate pfb2t1c2pfb, as it is not
> > really related to cm-super.
> 
> That's an other valid point.  Still it might be a good idea to create an
> "upstream" project, if only on alioth, and not package as Debian-native.

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Hilmar Preusse | 7 Oct 2005 14:24

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 06.10.05 Norbert Preining (preining <at> logic.at) wrote:
> On Don, 06 Okt 2005, Frank Küster wrote:

Hi,

> > > No. The pfb2t1c and t1c2pfb is introduced by the diff.gz. These
> > > program were written by the package Peter Szabo. 
> >
> > But they are on CTAN, in a Debian subdirectory.  Surely the CTAN
> > masters have asked the cm-super maintainers whether this location
> > is in order? And now it's there.
> 
> This is not true, Hilmar. They are NOT introduced in the diff.gz,
> but they are present in the .orig.tar.gz AS DOWNLOADED from CTAN!
> 
They were not contained in the pts-tetex-cm-super_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz
by Mickael. I believed you'd use the same sources. Sorry for
confusion!

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Hilmar Preusse | 7 Oct 2005 11:10

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 06.10.05 Norbert Preining (preining <at> logic.at) wrote:
> On Don, 06 Okt 2005, Frank Küster wrote:

Hi,

> > That's an other valid point.  Still it might be a good idea to
> > create an "upstream" project, if only on alioth, and not package
> > as Debian-native.
> 
> Hmmm. Who steps forth to `care for' the upstream project? For sure
> not me.  If nobody wants to, I already have incorporated
> pfb2t1c2pfb into my cm-super package. Whatever we decide, its ok
> with me. Just tell me.
> 
If nobody else will give it to me. The package is very small and
should not generate that much workload.

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Norbert Preining | 7 Oct 2005 11:33

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On Fre, 07 Okt 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:
> > > create an "upstream" project, if only on alioth, and not package
> > > as Debian-native.
> > 
> If nobody else will give it to me. The package is very small and
> should not generate that much workload.

Perfect. SO I can revert my changes to the cm-super package to include
the pfb2t1c2pfb. If you need some help, you can of course ask me.

Best wishes

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Frank Küster | 7 Oct 2005 08:51

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Norbert Preining <preining <at> logic.at> wrote:

> Hmmm. Who steps forth to `care for' the upstream project? For sure not
> me.  If nobody wants to, I already have incorporated pfb2t1c2pfb into
> my cm-super package. Whatever we decide, its ok with me. Just tell me.

What about the texlive people?  They're always fond of saving space...

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Norbert Preining | 6 Oct 2005 19:06

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

Hi Hilmar, hi Frank!

On Don, 06 Okt 2005, Frank Küster wrote:
> > Fixed. I gave the .orig.tar.gz a new version to reflect that change.
> > I tried a while to fix thge last lintian warning about the man page.
> > I created the following file:
> 
> Sorry for stepping in, I haven't followed the beginning of this thread.
> But why do you package this as a separate source package?  Aren't the
> source files included in the cm-super_$version.orig.tar.gz one gets from
> CTAN? 

Ok ok ok. I will take this, if Hilmar is ok with it. 

Hilmar:
I would suggest that you get write permissions to pkg-texlive on
alioth.debian and we merge your rules file and create another binary deb
from the cm-super source package.

Ok with everyone?

Best wishes

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Hilmar Preusse | 4 Oct 2005 17:41

Re: new cm-super and cm-super-x11

On 01.10.05 Norbert Preining (preining <at> logic.at) wrote:
> On Fre, 30 Sep 2005, Hilmar Preusse wrote:

Hi,

> > Things I don't like:
> > 1. Both programs didn't ever got a copyright statement
> 
> True. I would ask the author, or assume they are GPL since they are
> in the .orig.tar.gz from cm-super in GPL. And Mickael once
> mentioned that he got the ok to distribute the files under GPL.
> (But maybe it was from the .pl file he was talking)
> 
I've got an E-Mail form Peter stating that it is free. However I'm
not sure if this is sufficient.

> I attach the quick hack manpage I wrote.
> 
Thanks.

> > 3. I didn't lintian the final package.
> 
> W: pfb2t1c2pfb source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1
> 
> should be 3.6.1.2 (or was it 2.1)
> 
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version

Thus only the first three components of the policy version are
significant in the Standards-Version control field, and so either

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