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Francesca Ciceri | 7 May 2012 20:32

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[Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

Dear Debian Developers,

A recent discussion [1] on Debian Women mailing list made me realize that
the Debian Project, the community behind the *Universal* Operating
System, doesn't have a diversity statement.
The *technical* part of the project is already commited to diversity: we
don't accept (in our main repository) licenses which discriminate for
persons, groups or fields of endeavor (DFSG, points 5. and 6.).
IMO is time for a similar statement also for the *community* part of the
project.

Below (between "----" lines) you'll find the the text to be voted.
There are just a couple of changes from the previous draft:

  * s/It doesn't matter/No matter/ : Luca Filipozzi kindly noticed (in a
    private mail) that "It doesn't matter" has the feeling of "we don't
    care" while "no matter" has a better feel.

  * corrected wrapping of last lines, thanks to Iustin Pop

At the end of the mail, a couple of FAQ about the diversity statement, 
raised during the debate on -project, which hopefully will be useful 
for peole who didn't follow the (one-month long) thread.

Thank you for your attention,
Francesca

----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----

The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.

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Stefano Zacchiroli | 7 May 2012 21:00

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded.

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Alexander Reichle-Schmehl | 7 May 2012 21:07

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

Hi!

* Francesca Ciceri <madamezou <at> debian.org> [120507 20:32]:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded.  Many thanks to all that participated in the discussion and
especially to Francesca for starting it!

Best regards,
  Alexander

Iustin Pop | 7 May 2012 21:19

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> Dear Debian Developers,
> 
> A recent discussion [1] on Debian Women mailing list made me realize that
> the Debian Project, the community behind the *Universal* Operating
> System, doesn't have a diversity statement.
> The *technical* part of the project is already commited to diversity: we
> don't accept (in our main repository) licenses which discriminate for
> persons, groups or fields of endeavor (DFSG, points 5. and 6.).
> IMO is time for a similar statement also for the *community* part of the
> project.
> 
> Below (between "----" lines) you'll find the the text to be voted.
> There are just a couple of changes from the previous draft:
> 
>   * s/It doesn't matter/No matter/ : Luca Filipozzi kindly noticed (in a
>     private mail) that "It doesn't matter" has the feeling of "we don't
>     care" while "no matter" has a better feel.
>   
>   * corrected wrapping of last lines, thanks to Iustin Pop
> 
> At the end of the mail, a couple of FAQ about the diversity statement, 
> raised during the debate on -project, which hopefully will be useful 
> for peole who didn't follow the (one-month long) thread.
> 
> Thank you for your attention,
> Francesca
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
>

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Enrico Zini | 7 May 2012 21:12

Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:

> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded.

Ciao,

Enrico

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Jakub Wilk | 7 May 2012 21:23

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

* Francesca Ciceri <madamezou <at> debian.org>, 2012-05-07, 20:32:
>----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
>
>The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
>
>No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we 
>welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they 
>interact constructively with our community.
>
>While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value 
>and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
>and welcome them into our community.
>
>----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded.

>== FAQ ==
[snip]
>Q: What will be the procedure for maintaining/updating the statement, 
>once voted?
>A: The gist of the statement will be fixed by the GR. But in order to 
>avoid needing a vote for every minor tweak, language improvements can 
>be applied by the -www team as for other parts of www.d.o

NACK

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Didier Raboud | 7 May 2012 21:12

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

Le lundi, 7 mai 2012 20.32:41, Francesca Ciceri a écrit :
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas,
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded, with many thanks to the involved persons that patiently permitted 
this statement to be submitted as GR, especially Francesca!

Cheers,

OdyX

Steve McIntyre | 7 May 2012 20:53

Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
>
>----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
>
>The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
>
>No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
>welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
>interact constructively with our community.
>
>While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
>and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
>and welcome them into our community.
>
>----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded.

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Cyril Brulebois | 7 May 2012 21:47

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

Francesca Ciceri <madamezou <at> debian.org> (07/05/2012):
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded, with many thanks to Francesca.

Mraw,
KiBi.

Jérémy Bobbio | 7 May 2012 22:02

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas,
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded. :)

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Luca Filipozzi | 7 May 2012 22:14

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded.

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Member, Debian System Administration Team

Julien Cristau | 7 May 2012 23:00

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May  7, 2012 at 20:32:41 +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:

> Q: What will be the procedure for maintaining/updating the statement, 
> once voted?
> A: The gist of the statement will be fixed by the GR. But in order to
> avoid needing a vote for every minor tweak, language improvements can be
> applied by the -www team as for other parts of www.d.o and more
> substantial changes, that do not change the spirit, can be discussed on
> -project.
> 
I hope if this gets approved by a GR, any later changes would have to go
through the same procedure.

Cheers,
Julien

gregor herrmann | 8 May 2012 00:40

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, 07 May 2012 20:32:41 +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:

> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded.

Thanks, Francesca!

Cheers,
gregor

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Guilherme de Siqueira Pastore | 8 May 2012 04:43

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded!

Stephen Gran | 8 May 2012 08:59

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

This one time, at band camp, Francesca Ciceri said:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded.

Thanks,
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Amaya | 8 May 2012 10:35

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded

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Jan Dittberner | 8 May 2012 10:37

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded

Best regards
Jan Dittberner

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Wouter Verhelst | 8 May 2012 11:15

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

I know we've long passed the threshold, but: seconded.

Also, as others have pointed out:

> Q: What will be the procedure for maintaining/updating the statement, 
> once voted?
> A: The gist of the statement will be fixed by the GR. But in order to
> avoid needing a vote for every minor tweak, language improvements can be
> applied by the -www team as for other parts of www.d.o and more
> substantial changes, that do not change the spirit, can be discussed on
> -project.

You can't do that. If it's just a statement that hasn't seen a GR, fine,
then the -www team can change it. If, however, the text was decided by
GR, then that's a different matter; you can't change it without another

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Holger Levsen | 8 May 2012 20:09

Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

Holas,

I know I'm slightly late but still...

On Montag, 7. Mai 2012, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas,
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

seconded! And many thanks to all who contributed to this and especially to 
Francesca for starting it!

> == FAQ ==

Partly NACK as others pointed out already. 

For translations I suggest to simply add a note "The Debian Developers agreed 
on the English original" or such.

cheers,

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Margarita Manterola | 8 May 2012 22:02

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

I know it's late and repetitive, but still...

> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
>
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
>
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
>
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas,
> and welcome them into our community.
>
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded!

Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion that led to creating
such a beautiful statement! It's a work of art.

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Mònica Ramírez Arceda | 10 May 2012 01:17

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

I think I'm late but...

> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

Seconded!
And thanks a lot for this text :)

Kurt Roeckx | 10 May 2012 22:03

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 01:17:45AM +0200, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote:
> I think I'm late but...

As long as nobody called for the vote, I don't see a problem
adding more seconds.

Kurt

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Kurt Roeckx | 14 May 2012 23:33

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Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE----
> 
> The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.
> 
> No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
> welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
> interact constructively with our community.
> 
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
> and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
> and welcome them into our community.
> 
> ----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE----

The one 1 week discussion period is now over.

Kurt

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