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SteX | 14 Feb 08:38
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Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 07:15:14PM -0700, Grant Grundler wrote:
Hi Grant + lists,
> > I would also like to submit a doubt: I used an HP9000/785 (C3k)
> > workstation for my work. How can I be sure that I compiled it as 32-bit
> > system binary of 64-bit system binary? If I remember well this C3k is a
> > 64bit workstation, isn't it?
> 
> While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
> parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
> hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.

I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the package
is a 32-bit binary.
Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
provide it to you all?
Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
Thank you in advance for your answer.

I appreciate any comment or critic on the mc pkg; Ludovic Drolez asked to
co-maintain the pkg for x86. Is it the case to have also an `official' uploader for hppa?

Thank you in advance

SteX

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Grant Grundler | 14 Feb 18:49

Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:38:58AM +0100, SteX wrote:
> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
> provide it to you all?
> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
> Thank you in advance for your answer.

32-bit is sufficient right now - thanks.

64-bit user space isn't working (yet). 

> I appreciate any comment or critic on the mc pkg; Ludovic Drolez asked to
> co-maintain the pkg for x86.
> Is it the case to have also an `official' uploader for hppa?

Sorry - I don't understand the question - someone else will likely
have to answer anyway.

thanks,
grant
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Matthew Wilcox | 14 Feb 13:12

Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:38:58AM +0100, SteX wrote:
> > While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
> > parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
> > hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.
> 
> I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the package
> is a 32-bit binary.
> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
> provide it to you all?
> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
> Thank you in advance for your answer.

As Grant said, there is no support for 64-bit userspace yet; only 32-bit.
A 64-bit build of mc wouldn't run on any parisc-linux machine.

> I appreciate any comment or critic on the mc pkg; Ludovic Drolez asked to
> co-maintain the pkg for x86. Is it the case to have also an `official' uploader for hppa?

It's certainly possible to do that, but the normal case is to upload on
one architecture and let the buildds for the other architectures chew
on it.

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Thibaut VARENE | 14 Feb 09:30
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Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

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> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 07:15:14PM -0700, Grant Grundler wrote:
> Hi Grant + lists,
> > > I would also like to submit a doubt: I used an HP9000/785 (C3k)
> > > workstation for my work. How can I be sure that I compiled it as
32-bit
> > > system binary of 64-bit system binary? If I remember well this
C3k is a
> > > 64bit workstation, isn't it?
> > 
> > While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
> > parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
> > hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.
> 
> I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the
package
> is a 32-bit binary.
> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
> provide it to you all?
> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
> Thank you in advance for your answer.

As Grant said there is NO 64bit userland on parisc. 64bit binaries are
pointless (besides you're going to have hard time building any,
provided there is no 64bit glibc :-P).

> I appreciate any comment or critic on the mc pkg; Ludovic Drolez
asked to
> co-maintain the pkg for x86. Is it the case to have also an
`official' uploader for hppa?
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Grant Grundler | 14 Feb 18:54

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 09:30:15AM +0100, Thibaut VARENE wrote:
> 64bit binaries are pointless

That's not true in general. It might be true to mc.
Apps that want > 4GB address space have to be 64-bit.

grant
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Thibaut VARENE | 14 Feb 19:14

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:54:08 -0700
Grant Grundler <grundler <at> parisc-linux.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 09:30:15AM +0100, Thibaut VARENE wrote:
> > 64bit binaries are pointless
> 
> That's not true in general. It might be true to mc.
> Apps that want > 4GB address space have to be 64-bit.

I meant that it was pointless in context: "on parisc, given we don't have
support for a 64bit userland (yet), and obviously considering we were
talking about mc" ;)

Of course it wasn't meant to be a general statement toward 64bit binaries
:)

Thibaut VARENE
The PA/Linux ESIEE Team
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Joel Soete | 14 Feb 08:54
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RE: [parisc-linux] Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

...
> > > system binary of 64-bit system binary? If I remember well this C3k
is
> a
> > > 64bit workstation, isn't it?
> > 
> > While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
> > parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
> > hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.
> 
And afaik its pdc allow to boot either a 64bit kernel or a 32bit one :-)

> I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the package
> is a 32-bit binary.
> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
> provide it to you all?
> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
> Thank you in advance for your answer.
> 
But we haven't yet 64bit user env available (iirc in the todo list of Carlos)
;-)

Hth,
    Joel
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SteX | 14 Feb 10:09
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RE: [parisc-linux] Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

Hi Joel,
>>
>And afaik its pdc allow to boot either a 64bit kernel or a 32bit one :-)

you are perfectly right, in fact I use 2.4.27-32 and 2.6.8-2-64 kernel images
on it. My question addresses to the need of a 64-bit and 32-bit to make the
deb available on hppa system: is it possible to run mc (32-bit) on N-class
(surely 64-bit), for instance, system?

>
>> I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the package
>> is a 32-bit binary.
>> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
>> provide it to you all?
>> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
>> Thank you in advance for your answer.
>>
>But we haven't yet 64bit user env available (iirc in the todo list of Carlos)
>;-)
Thanks

SteX
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Thibaut VARENE | 14 Feb 10:22
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> Hi Joel,
> >>
> >And afaik its pdc allow to boot either a 64bit kernel or a 32bit
one :-)
> 
> you are perfectly right, in fact I use 2.4.27-32 and 2.6.8-2-64
kernel images
> on it. My question addresses to the need of a 64-bit and 32-bit to
make the
> deb available on hppa system: is it possible to run mc (32-bit) on
N-class
> (surely 64-bit), for instance, system?

Please read the FAQ
http://www.parisc-linux.org/faq/

And guess what, if you can boot the same 32bit userland on both the
kernels you mentioned above, that might be a clue that 32bit userland
*works* with 64bit kernel, huh? ;)
OTOH, if that wasn't the case, I wonder what 64bit kernel would be
used for...

Once and for all: there is no need for 64bit userland binaries and you
can't build them anyway.

HTH

Thibaut VARENE
PA/Linux ESIEE Team
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