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Cole Robinson | 2 Mar 15:09

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Bryan Kearney wrote:
> Cole Robinson wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Page 5: Summary and Advanced Options
>>
>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-1.png
>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-2.png
>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-3.png
>>
>> The summary section is pretty straight forward, no surprises here.
>> The 'Advanced Options' section encompasses networking, hypervisor, and
>> architecture options. The hypervisor and arch defaults were explained
>> above.
>>
>> For networking, the default is:
>>
>> - A bridge device if any exist, else
>> - Virtual Network 'default' (comes out of the box with libvirt), else
>> - First available virtual network, else
>> - no networking!
> 
> Networking being "hidden" seems a bit odd here. In a decent number of
> the cases I have used the tool in (not all) i wanted to select this. It
> it possible to show this information on the summary, and then have them
> click into advanced to set it?
> 

In the times you were changing the default network selection, what was

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Bryan Kearney | 2 Mar 19:02

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Cole Robinson wrote:
> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> Page 5: Summary and Advanced Options
>>>
>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-1.png
>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-2.png
>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-3.png
>>>
>>> The summary section is pretty straight forward, no surprises here.
>>> The 'Advanced Options' section encompasses networking, hypervisor, and
>>> architecture options. The hypervisor and arch defaults were explained
>>> above.
>>>
>>> For networking, the default is:
>>>
>>> - A bridge device if any exist, else
>>> - Virtual Network 'default' (comes out of the box with libvirt), else
>>> - First available virtual network, else
>>> - no networking!
>> Networking being "hidden" seems a bit odd here. In a decent number of
>> the cases I have used the tool in (not all) i wanted to select this. It
>> it possible to show this information on the summary, and then have them
>> click into advanced to set it?
>>
> 
> In the times you were changing the default network selection, what was

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Cole Robinson | 3 Mar 18:39

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Bryan Kearney wrote:
> Cole Robinson wrote:
>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Page 5: Summary and Advanced Options
>>>>
>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-1.png
>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-2.png
>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-3.png
>>>>
>>>> The summary section is pretty straight forward, no surprises here.
>>>> The 'Advanced Options' section encompasses networking, hypervisor, and
>>>> architecture options. The hypervisor and arch defaults were explained
>>>> above.
>>>>
>>>> For networking, the default is:
>>>>
>>>> - A bridge device if any exist, else
>>>> - Virtual Network 'default' (comes out of the box with libvirt), else
>>>> - First available virtual network, else
>>>> - no networking!
>>> Networking being "hidden" seems a bit odd here. In a decent number of
>>> the cases I have used the tool in (not all) i wanted to select this. It
>>> it possible to show this information on the summary, and then have them
>>> click into advanced to set it?
>>>
>>

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Subhendu Ghosh | 2 Mar 22:39

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Bryan Kearney wrote:
> Cole Robinson wrote:
>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Page 5: Summary and Advanced Options
>>>>
>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-1.png
>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-2.png
>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-3.png
>>>>
>>>> The summary section is pretty straight forward, no surprises here.
>>>> The 'Advanced Options' section encompasses networking, hypervisor, and
>>>> architecture options. The hypervisor and arch defaults were explained
>>>> above.
>>>>
>>>> For networking, the default is:
>>>>
>>>> - A bridge device if any exist, else
>>>> - Virtual Network 'default' (comes out of the box with libvirt), else
>>>> - First available virtual network, else
>>>> - no networking!
>>> Networking being "hidden" seems a bit odd here. In a decent number of
>>> the cases I have used the tool in (not all) i wanted to select this. It
>>> it possible to show this information on the summary, and then have them
>>> click into advanced to set it?
>>>
>>

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Cole Robinson | 3 Mar 18:45

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Subhendu Ghosh wrote:
> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Page 5: Summary and Advanced Options
>>>>>
>>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-1.png
>>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-2.png
>>>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-3.png
>>>>>
>>>>> The summary section is pretty straight forward, no surprises here.
>>>>> The 'Advanced Options' section encompasses networking, hypervisor, and
>>>>> architecture options. The hypervisor and arch defaults were explained
>>>>> above.
>>>>>
>>>>> For networking, the default is:
>>>>>
>>>>> - A bridge device if any exist, else
>>>>> - Virtual Network 'default' (comes out of the box with libvirt), else
>>>>> - First available virtual network, else
>>>>> - no networking!
>>>> Networking being "hidden" seems a bit odd here. In a decent number of
>>>> the cases I have used the tool in (not all) i wanted to select this. It
>>>> it possible to show this information on the summary, and then have them
>>>> click into advanced to set it?
>>>>

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Radek Hladik | 4 Mar 03:56

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Cole Robinson napsal(a):
> Subhendu Ghosh wrote:
>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
> 
>> Also the wizard should support multiple NICs and disks - perhaps from
>> step 5 -  be able to launch sub-wizards to add nic and add disk?
>>
> 
> I think such a process would add non-trivial complication to the UI for
> a rather niche case. For a user wanting a multi nic or disk configured
> VM, I would point them at virt-install which easily scales in this
> respect. Extra NICs could also be added post install, since I would
> think only one would be required for the install process.
> 
My opinion is that this can be solved by some sort of "do not start the 
VM and open VM details for fine tuning" option. I am not sure where I've 
seen this (VMWare ESX maybe?) but the last page of the wizard contained 
checkboxes like "start machine now" and "edit VM details after closing 
the wizard". With reasonable default values you can satisfy both 
advanced user and a "just to be done" user in a straight-forward way.
Radek

Subhendu Ghosh | 4 Mar 05:09

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Radek Hladik wrote:
> Cole Robinson napsal(a):
>> Subhendu Ghosh wrote:
>>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>>>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>
>>> Also the wizard should support multiple NICs and disks - perhaps from
>>> step 5 -  be able to launch sub-wizards to add nic and add disk?
>>>
>>
>> I think such a process would add non-trivial complication to the UI for
>> a rather niche case. For a user wanting a multi nic or disk configured
>> VM, I would point them at virt-install which easily scales in this
>> respect. Extra NICs could also be added post install, since I would
>> think only one would be required for the install process.
>>
> My opinion is that this can be solved by some sort of "do not start the 
> VM and open VM details for fine tuning" option. I am not sure where I've 
> seen this (VMWare ESX maybe?) but the last page of the wizard contained 
> checkboxes like "start machine now" and "edit VM details after closing 
> the wizard". With reasonable default values you can satisfy both 
> advanced user and a "just to be done" user in a straight-forward way.
> Radek
> 

Radek's option seems to make good sense. It also has the added benefit of 
being able to create a VM but not starting it and containing the complexity of

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Cole Robinson | 4 Mar 15:41

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Subhendu Ghosh wrote:
> Radek Hladik wrote:
>> Cole Robinson napsal(a):
>>> Subhendu Ghosh wrote:
>>>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>>>> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>>>>>>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>> Also the wizard should support multiple NICs and disks - perhaps from
>>>> step 5 -  be able to launch sub-wizards to add nic and add disk?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think such a process would add non-trivial complication to the UI for
>>> a rather niche case. For a user wanting a multi nic or disk configured
>>> VM, I would point them at virt-install which easily scales in this
>>> respect. Extra NICs could also be added post install, since I would
>>> think only one would be required for the install process.
>>>
>> My opinion is that this can be solved by some sort of "do not start
>> the VM and open VM details for fine tuning" option. I am not sure
>> where I've seen this (VMWare ESX maybe?) but the last page of the
>> wizard contained checkboxes like "start machine now" and "edit VM
>> details after closing the wizard". With reasonable default values you
>> can satisfy both advanced user and a "just to be done" user in a
>> straight-forward way.
>> Radek
>>
>

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Ben Kochie | 2 Mar 22:47

Ubuntu patches for next release


There are a couple patches against 400.1 that are in the Ubuntu tree.
These could probably be integrated upstream.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jaunty/virtinst

In addition to these 2 patches, "ubuntuhardy" in osdict.py supports virtio 
disk, so that should be added.

-ben

  "UNIX is user-friendly, it's just picky about its friends."

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Cole Robinson | 3 Mar 18:16

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Re: Ubuntu patches for next release

Ben Kochie wrote:
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> There are a couple patches against 400.1 that are in the Ubuntu tree.
> These could probably be integrated upstream.
> 
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jaunty/virtinst
> 
> In addition to these 2 patches, "ubuntuhardy" in osdict.py supports
> virtio disk, so that should be added.
> 

Thanks for raising these. The first patch was from the Debian maintainer
and was pushed upstream a while ago. It's sad, but the second patch
(from Ubuntu) looks like it's been carried in some form since November,
and never mailed here.

I'll apply it before cutting the release.

Thanks again,
Cole

Michael DeHaan | 2 Mar 15:17

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Re: RFC: virt-manager: Redesigned 'New VM' wizard

Cole Robinson wrote:
> Bryan Kearney wrote:
>   
>> Cole Robinson wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> Page 5: Summary and Advanced Options
>>>
>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-1.png
>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-2.png
>>> http://fedorapeople.org/~crobinso/virt-manager/newvm2/newvm-pg5-3.png
>>>
>>> The summary section is pretty straight forward, no surprises here.
>>> The 'Advanced Options' section encompasses networking, hypervisor, and
>>> architecture options. The hypervisor and arch defaults were explained
>>> above.
>>>
>>> For networking, the default is:
>>>
>>> - A bridge device if any exist, else
>>> - Virtual Network 'default' (comes out of the box with libvirt), else
>>> - First available virtual network, else
>>> - no networking!
>>>       
>> Networking being "hidden" seems a bit odd here. In a decent number of
>> the cases I have used the tool in (not all) i wanted to select this. It
>> it possible to show this information on the summary, and then have them
>> click into advanced to set it?

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