Re: Proposed discussion point (Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting)

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora <at> leemhuis.info> wrote:
> - How do we make packagers add all their packages to comps.xml?

Here's something to consider during this discussion.  I haven't added
all of my packages to comps.xml because there is no group which is
really appropriate for several of them.  I don't want to add them to
some group that is only peripherally related to the function of the
package, and I'm too lazy to figure out how to add new groups [1].  I
suspect other package maintainers may have similar reasons for
dragging their feet.

Footnotes:
[1] Well, not really lazy, but I recognize that adding groups is a
significant step, and so it needs to be well justified.  I am very
busy with Real Life right now, so time spent putting together such a
justification means no time for other activities that I'm more eager
to engage in [2].
[2] Like watching the value of my retirement account fall.
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Re: Proposed discussion point (Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting)

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:07:56 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> (²)  According to
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/PackageStatus/CompsF10Missing
> "We have 2866 packages in comps-f10 file."
> "We have 1711 packages missing"
> 
> I'm not sure those stats are correct, as we afaik have way more
> source and binary packages:
> 
> $ repoquery --repoid=rawhide -a | wc -l ; repoquery \
>          --repoid=rawhide-source --arch=src -a | wc -l
> 14139
> 6300

The discrepancy can be (at least partly) explained by the fact that the
script producing the missing stats has some heuristics about packages
to ignore.  Package names matching these regexps are not flagged as
missing:
    next if $k =~ /plugin/i;
    next if $k =~ /^(lib|compat-|xfce4-|gtk-|kmod-|fonts?-)/i;
    next if $k =~ /(-devel|lib[s0-9]*|-python|-perl|-servers?|-clients?|-tools?)$/i;
    next if $k =~ /(-contribs?|-docs?|-x?emacs|-utils?|-fonts?)$/i;
Package having a summary containing this regexp:
      next if $BZOWN->{$k}->{'summary'} =~ /(binding|library|module|utilit)/i;
And there is a short blacklist:
  "autodownloader" => 1,
  "theora-exp" => 1,
  "freetype1" => 1,
  "paragui" => 1

Re: Proposed discussion point (Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting)

On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 20:07 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> On 07.10.2008 18:12, Brian Pepple wrote:
> > You want something to be discussed? Send a note to the list in reply to
> > this mail and I'll add it to the schedule.  You can also propose topics
> > in the meeting while it is in the "Free discussion around Fedora" phase.
> 
> Seems we are about to get proper suppose for comps.xml in PK sooner or 
> later; for details see
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-October/msg00381.html
> 
> Which brings us back to the following mail from last month (which 
> resulted in a long discussion that afaics indirectly was one of the 
> reasons for the new PK enhancements we'll get...)
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-September/msg01813.html
> 
> The main two questions, where I'd really like to see advice from FESCo 
> (or whatever committee feels responsible for this kind of task) how to 
> move on:
> 
> - Which packages should be in comps.xml and which not? (¹)
> 
> - How do we make packagers add all their packages to comps.xml?

Added to the schedule.  Thanks.

Later,
/B
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Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting

Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:12:27PM -0400, Brian Pepple wrote:
>> /topic FESCo-Meeting -- MinGW follow-up? - all
> 
> We're still waiting on infrastructure to make a decision regarding
> this ticket:
> 
>   https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/807
> 
Note: dgilmore is the guy in charge of this.  dgilmore, do you think
you'll have an update on this for the meeting tomorrow?

-Toshio

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Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting

Manuel Wolfshant wrote:
> On 10/07/2008 07:12 PM, Brian Pepple wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Please find below the list of topics that are likely to come up in the
>> next FESCo meeting that is scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday at 17:00
>> UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.org (NOTE: Please note that we've
>> moved our start time an hour earlier):
>>
>> /topic FESCo meeting -- Any objection to last week's report from FPC at
>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-September/msg02133.html
>>
>>
>> /topic FESCo-Meeting -- Features - all
>>
>> /topic FESCo-Meeting -- MinGW follow-up? - all
>>
>> /topic FESCo meeting -- Free discussion around Fedora
>>
>> You want something to be discussed? Send a note to the list in reply to
>> this mail and I'll add it to the schedule. You can also propose topics
>> in the meeting while it is in the "Free discussion around Fedora" phase.
>>
>> Later,
>> /B
> could you guys also take a decision regarding the vendor_id for desktop
> files?
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Minutes20080603#t12:15 suggests
> one thing, but the Guidelines page still insists on enforcing it. I
> would like to have it cleared so that we can go on with