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Karsten 'quaid' Wade | 8 Oct 03:04
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fedora-wiki-list?

Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
discussions.

Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:

* Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
decisions that affect all projects; etc.

* These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
fedora-docs-list to get this information.

* Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.

Thoughts?

+1 or -1 or 0?

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Nigel Jones | 8 Oct 03:15

Re: fedora-wiki-list?

On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 18:07 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
> discussions.
Errr yeah, I've been busier than a chipmunk on P today so I forgot to
post, thanks!
> 
> Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:
> 
> * Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
> wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
> decisions that affect all projects; etc.
> 
> * These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
> ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
> fedora-docs-list to get this information.
> 
> * Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
> increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> +1 or -1 or 0?
+1 - obviously
> 
> 
> cheers - Karsten
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Murray McAllister | 8 Oct 03:35

Re: fedora-wiki-list?

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade <kwade <at> redhat.com> wrote:
> Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
> discussions.
>
> Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:
>
> * Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
> wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
> decisions that affect all projects; etc.
>
> * These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
> ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
> fedora-docs-list to get this information.
>
> * Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
> increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> +1 or -1 or 0?

Speaking of new mailing lists:
<https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/741>

:D

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Ian Weller | 8 Oct 05:22
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Re: fedora-wiki-list?

On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 11:35:30AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
> Speaking of new mailing lists:
> <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/741>
> 
> :D
> 
Hahahahah I remember the conversation on IRC that started this joke. I
still can't believe the ticket hasn't been triaged into oblivion. ;)

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Nigel Jones | 8 Oct 03:17

Re: fedora-wiki-list?

On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 18:07 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
> discussions.
> 
> Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:
> 
> * Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
> wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
> decisions that affect all projects; etc.
> 
> * These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
> ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
> fedora-docs-list to get this information.
> 
> * Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
> increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.
* Creates less confusion on where to post wiki related stuff, so it'd be
a way to prevent cross posting between fedora-websites-list and
fedora-docs-list - it drives me batty...
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> +1 or -1 or 0?
> 
> 
> cheers - Karsten
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Ian Weller | 8 Oct 05:21
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Re: fedora-wiki-list?

On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:07:56PM -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
> discussions.
> 
> Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:
> 
> * Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
> wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
> decisions that affect all projects; etc.
> 
> * These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
> ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
> fedora-docs-list to get this information.
> 
> * Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
> increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> +1 or -1 or 0?
> 
There are definitely the merits to having a wiki list... in addition,
it'd be a nice place to direct people to ask about syntax, or for new
templates. (/me waves)

But then, where do you draw the line between f-docs-l and f-wiki-l --
between talking about how the content is created and how the content is
written? It almost seems like there's an unremovable overlap.

I'm personally iffy about it but I think the reasons *for* it are good
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Paul W. Frields | 8 Oct 14:26
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Re: fedora-wiki-list?

On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 22:21 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:07:56PM -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> > Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
> > discussions.
> > 
> > Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:
> > 
> > * Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
> > wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
> > decisions that affect all projects; etc.
> > 
> > * These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
> > ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
> > fedora-docs-list to get this information.
> > 
> > * Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
> > increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > +1 or -1 or 0?
> > 
> There are definitely the merits to having a wiki list... in addition,
> it'd be a nice place to direct people to ask about syntax, or for new
> templates. (/me waves)
> 
> But then, where do you draw the line between f-docs-l and f-wiki-l --
> between talking about how the content is created and how the content is
> written? It almost seems like there's an unremovable overlap.
>
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Karsten 'quaid' Wade | 8 Oct 22:00
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Re: fedora-wiki-list?


On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 12:26 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote:

> Is the a reason we don't want to claim this on f-docs-l once and for
> all?  I mean, it's not like our traffic here is overwhelming now.  We
> could simply say, "All wiki discussion --> f-docs-l," and ask people not
> to cross-post that material.

The example from Nigel was, "Do packagers and translators really want to
read about using prompts in example commands?"

I think the f-docs-l topic range is much wider than a wiki-specific
list.

I've kind-of felt the similar situation to what Nigel describes, not
knowing where to go _and_ invite people as a definitive wiki discussion
place that is not otherwise project specific.

The fact we use the wiki as a documentation writing tool is sort-of
coincidental.  Another project could write all their docs in the Trac
wiki, and if enough people cared, they might want a fedora-trac-list to
talk about how to use Trac more effectively, etc.

Part of this is that we have always made a separation of "requirements
when writing for Fedora Docs" and "how to use the wiki as an effective
writing tool".  I still think that is a good separation. :)

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David Nalley | 8 Oct 22:16
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Re: fedora-wiki-list?

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade <kwade <at> redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 12:26 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>
>> Is the a reason we don't want to claim this on f-docs-l once and for
>> all?  I mean, it's not like our traffic here is overwhelming now.  We
>> could simply say, "All wiki discussion --> f-docs-l," and ask people not
>> to cross-post that material.
>
> The example from Nigel was, "Do packagers and translators really want to
> read about using prompts in example commands?"
>
> I think the f-docs-l topic range is much wider than a wiki-specific
> list.
>

I'll agree that wiki is at best a subset of the Docs Project. However
I think the f-d-l should be the definitive list for all things wiki
for the following reason:

By becoming the gardeners of the wiki we've essentially taken
'ownership' of , imo.

I am obviously biased because I don't like proliferation of lists but
that's my take on it.

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Kam | 8 Oct 12:48
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+1  wiki topics can stand on their own in a seperate list.

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Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
discussions.

Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:

* Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
decisions that affect all projects; etc.

* These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
fedora-docs-list to get this information.

* Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.
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Jason Taylor | 8 Oct 13:35

Re: fedora-wiki-list?

On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 18:07 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
> discussions.
> 
> Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:
> 
> * Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
> wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
> decisions that affect all projects; etc.
> 
> * These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
> ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
> fedora-docs-list to get this information.
> 
> * Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
> increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> +1 or -1 or 0?
> 
> 
> cheers - Karsten
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+1 from me

-Jason

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