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Fernando Cassia | 23 Jul 2012 15:41

Export restrictions legalese in Fedora scare would-be local mirror

Just got a reply from a local would-be mirror telling me they
discarded Fedora from the local Linux mirror lists because of the
"export restrictions"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export
http://fedoraunity.org/export-restrictions

However, they carry Debian and CentOS, implying that the same
restrictions do not apply to those projects.

I think that is a silly excuse and that they´re full of s... as I
don´t see any fundamental differences between Fedora and CentOS...

Specially after reading
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066853.html

Thoughts? Comments?

FC
PS: they´re a goverment-owned telecomms firm
http://mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/ so they might be more paranoid to
legalese and fear of Uncle Sam getting after them (or us as a country)
if they don´t police access restrictions to the mirror site as per the
wishes of the us govt.
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Andy Blanchard | 23 Jul 2012 16:22

Re: Export restrictions legalese in Fedora scare would-be local mirror

I also call that they are full of it on grounds that they continue to host Debian and CentOS. The question is whether "it" is just paranoia or something else...

Argentina (presumably your local mirror is hosted in the same geographic locale as their ccTLD) is not currently listed in the Export Administration Regulations cited on the two pages you linked. That means that their only grounds for doing this is that they fear that they may be, or already have been, used as a mirror by someone covered by the EAR and that they will incur the wrath of the US as a result. Along with, presumably, every other Fedora mirror in the world that doesn't vet their downloads.

Also, as you point out, the EAR restrictions apply to both CentOS and Debian - indeed, Debian has a discussion on this very topic here, albeit a little dated: http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain - I think the crypto export restrictions have now actually been lifted, but I'm not 100% sure on that. The sole possible exception would be if there is a specific set of packages present in the default Fedora distro that are both not present in CentOS/Debian and subject to the export restrictions. Maybe, having pointed out that they continue to host CentOS/Debian, you could request clarification of what makes them exempt and take it from there?

Alternatively, they *are* a telco, and a state-owned one at that - not exactly a combination known for adopting a flexible approach! Although I admire your efforts in establishing a local Argentinian mirror, I suspect this may just be a matter of time before you end up calling it a day and using an alternative mirror.

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Paul W. Frields | 23 Jul 2012 17:00

Re: Export restrictions legalese in Fedora scare would-be local mirror

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:41:55AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> Just got a reply from a local would-be mirror telling me they
> discarded Fedora from the local Linux mirror lists because of the
> "export restrictions"
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export
> http://fedoraunity.org/export-restrictions
> 
> However, they carry Debian and CentOS, implying that the same
> restrictions do not apply to those projects.
> 
> I think that is a silly excuse and that they´re full of s... as I
> don´t see any fundamental differences between Fedora and CentOS...
> 
> Specially after reading
> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066853.html
> 
> Thoughts? Comments?
> 
> FC
> PS: they´re a goverment-owned telecomms firm
> http://mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/ so they might be more paranoid to
> legalese and fear of Uncle Sam getting after them (or us as a country)
> if they don´t police access restrictions to the mirror site as per the
> wishes of the us govt.

Questions about the export restrictions should probably be posted to
the legal list instead:

legal <at> lists.fedoraproject.org
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal

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Fernando Cassia | 23 Jul 2012 17:35

Re: Export restrictions legalese in Fedora scare would-be local mirror

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Questions about the export restrictions should probably be posted to
> the legal list instead:
>
> legal <at> lists.fedoraproject.org
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal

Thanks Paul.

Hopefully the issue has been solved. (the initial reluctance to host a
local mirror).

FC

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Eddie O'Connor | 24 Jul 2012 03:24

Re: Export restrictions legalese in Fedora scare would-be local mirror

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Just got a reply from a local would-be mirror telling me they
discarded Fedora from the local Linux mirror lists because of the
"export restrictions"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export
http://fedoraunity.org/export-restrictions

However, they carry Debian and CentOS, implying that the same
restrictions do not apply to those projects.

I think that is a silly excuse and that they´re full of s... as I
don´t see any fundamental differences between Fedora and CentOS...

Specially after reading
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066853.html

Thoughts? Comments?

FC
PS: they´re a goverment-owned telecomms firm
http://mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/ so they might be more paranoid to
legalese and fear of Uncle Sam getting after them (or us as a country)
if they don´t police access restrictions to the mirror site as per the
wishes of the us govt.
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If anything it's their loss...they'll just miss out on helping to spread a well-known and widely used OS that is truly free of charge.....

EGO II

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