Maintenance of packages in Fedora Core and Extras

Brian Pepple | 6 Sep 21:45

PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

Hi all,

fedora-maintainers-list is going to be closed as discussed in

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-August/msg00530.html

and agreed on by FESCo at the 2007-09-06 meeting:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringCommittee/Meeting-20070906

The plan is to close the fedora-maintainers-list on 2007-09-10.  The
fedora-devel-list will be the mailing that acts as the direct successor 
for the fedora-maintainers-list.  To subscribe please go to
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Thanks,
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Bastien Nocera | 7 Sep 13:04

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Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 15:45 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> fedora-maintainers-list is going to be closed as discussed in
> 
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-August/msg00530.html
> 
> and agreed on by FESCo at the 2007-09-06 meeting:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringCommittee/Meeting-20070906
> 
> The plan is to close the fedora-maintainers-list on 2007-09-10.  The
> fedora-devel-list will be the mailing that acts as the direct successor 
> for the fedora-maintainers-list.  To subscribe please go to
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

I hope subscribing to fedora-devel-list isn't compulsory, I receive far
enough e-mails already.

Could you migrate the current subscribers of this list to
fedora-devel-announce?

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Brian Pepple | 7 Sep 14:37

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 12:04 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> 
> I hope subscribing to fedora-devel-list isn't compulsory, I receive far
> enough e-mails already.

No, it's not mandatory.

> Could you migrate the current subscribers of this list to
> fedora-devel-announce?

I believe they already are, but I'll check to make sure that's true.

Later,
/B
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Till Maas | 7 Sep 21:35

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fr September 7 2007, Brian Pepple wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 12:04 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > I hope subscribing to fedora-devel-list isn't compulsory, I receive far
> > enough e-mails already.
>
> No, it's not mandatory.

Is this an official decission? Rahul thought it is mandatory[1] and Toshio was 
not sure.

Regards,
Till

[1] 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join?action=diff&rev2=159&rev1=157
[2] 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-September/msg00097.html

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Jesse Keating | 7 Sep 21:36

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Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:35:59 +0200
Till Maas <opensource <at> till.name> wrote:

> Is this an official decission? Rahul thought it is mandatory[1] and
> Toshio was not sure.

If it is, I feel that fedora-devel-announce should be
mandatory/automatic, but fedora-devel itself would be optional (but
encouraged).

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Brian Pepple | 7 Sep 22:04

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 15:36 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:35:59 +0200
> Till Maas <opensource <at> till.name> wrote:
> 
> > Is this an official decission? Rahul thought it is mandatory[1] and
> > Toshio was not sure.
> 
> 
> If it is, I feel that fedora-devel-announce should be
> mandatory/automatic, but fedora-devel itself would be optional (but
> encouraged).

Right.  We weren't planning on having the high volume list
(fedora-devel) be mandatory.

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Till Maas | 7 Sep 22:09

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fr September 7 2007, Brian Pepple wrote:

> Right.  We weren't planning on having the high volume list
> (fedora-devel) be mandatory.

What about fedora-extras-commits <at> redhat.com? It is also mandatory according to 
the wiki but imho this should not be needed anymore, because ACL and 
Ownership is managed with the PackageDB and everyone should get an e-mail 
when something in ones package branch is changed.

Regards,
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Brian Pepple | 7 Sep 22:33

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 22:09 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
> 
> What about fedora-extras-commits <at> redhat.com? It is also mandatory according to 
> the wiki but imho this should not be needed anymore, because ACL and 
> Ownership is managed with the PackageDB and everyone should get an e-mail 
> when something in ones package branch is changed.

I don't think the PackageDB sends out e-mails for CVS commits done to a
package yet, though I could be wrong.

/B
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Josh Boyer | 7 Sep 22:40

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:33:25 -0400
Brian Pepple <bpepple <at> fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 22:09 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
> > 
> > What about fedora-extras-commits <at> redhat.com? It is also mandatory according to 
> > the wiki but imho this should not be needed anymore, because ACL and 
> > Ownership is managed with the PackageDB and everyone should get an e-mail 
> > when something in ones package branch is changed.
> 
> I don't think the PackageDB sends out e-mails for CVS commits done to a
> package yet, though I could be wrong.

I get commit emails

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Jeremy Katz | 7 Sep 22:37

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On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 16:33 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 22:09 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
> > What about fedora-extras-commits <at> redhat.com? It is also mandatory according to 
> > the wiki but imho this should not be needed anymore, because ACL and 
> > Ownership is managed with the PackageDB and everyone should get an e-mail 
> > when something in ones package branch is changed.
> 
> I don't think the PackageDB sends out e-mails for CVS commits done to a
> package yet, though I could be wrong.

PackageDB itself doesn't, but mails should get sent to anyone with the
watchcommits bit for all CVS commits.  

Jeremy

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Brian Pepple | 7 Sep 22:47

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 16:37 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 16:33 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote:
> > 
> > I don't think the PackageDB sends out e-mails for CVS commits done to a
> > package yet, though I could be wrong.
> 
> PackageDB itself doesn't, but mails should get sent to anyone with the
> watchcommits bit for all CVS commits.

In that case, I also agree the it shouldn't be mandatory to join the
cvs-commit list.

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Rahul Sundaram | 7 Sep 23:12

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

Brian Pepple wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 16:37 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote:
>> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 16:33 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote:
>>> I don't think the PackageDB sends out e-mails for CVS commits done to a
>>> package yet, though I could be wrong.
>> PackageDB itself doesn't, but mails should get sent to anyone with the
>> watchcommits bit for all CVS commits.
> 
> In that case, I also agree the it shouldn't be mandatory to join the
> cvs-commit list.

I have clarified this information in the wiki now.

Rahul

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Christopher Aillon | 7 Sep 19:16

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Brian Pepple wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 12:04 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
>> 
>> I hope subscribing to fedora-devel-list isn't compulsory, I receive far
>> enough e-mails already.
> 
> No, it's not mandatory.
> 
>> Could you migrate the current subscribers of this list to
>> fedora-devel-announce?
> 
> I believe they already are, but I'll check to make sure that's true.

As -devel-announce forwards to -devel, please don't subscribe those that 
are on both -maintainers and -devel to -devel-announce.

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Josh Boyer | 7 Sep 14:04

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:04:33 +0100
Bastien Nocera <bnocera <at> redhat.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 15:45 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > fedora-maintainers-list is going to be closed as discussed in
> > 
> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-August/msg00530.html
> > 
> > and agreed on by FESCo at the 2007-09-06 meeting:
> > 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringCommittee/Meeting-20070906
> > 
> > The plan is to close the fedora-maintainers-list on 2007-09-10.  The
> > fedora-devel-list will be the mailing that acts as the direct successor 
> > for the fedora-maintainers-list.  To subscribe please go to
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
> 
> I hope subscribing to fedora-devel-list isn't compulsory, I receive far
> enough e-mails already.

It's not.

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Till Maas | 6 Sep 22:26

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Do September 6 2007, Brian Pepple wrote:

> fedora-maintainers-list is going to be closed as discussed in

Don't forget to close this list, too.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-maintainers-readonly

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Rahul Sundaram | 6 Sep 22:26

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

Till Maas wrote:
> On Do September 6 2007, Brian Pepple wrote:
> 
>> fedora-maintainers-list is going to be closed as discussed in
> 
> Don't forget to close this list, too.
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-maintainers-readonly

Can I update all the relevant wiki pages to point to fedora-devel instead?

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Brian Pepple | 6 Sep 22:32

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On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 01:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> 
> Can I update all the relevant wiki pages to point to fedora-devel instead?
> 

Rahul, definitely.  I would appreciate it a lot if you could, since it
save me the trouble of doing it.

Thanks,
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Rahul Sundaram | 6 Sep 23:05

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

Brian Pepple wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 01:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Can I update all the relevant wiki pages to point to fedora-devel instead?
>>
> 
> Rahul, definitely.  I would appreciate it a lot if you could, since it
> save me the trouble of doing it.
> 
> Thanks,

Done. Note that FESCo meetings are still posted in the Extras/ name 
space and policy pages are still located there. Both of these need to 
move away from these to newer locations and updated depending on the 
decision of FESCo.  I left it unfinished when I updated a number of wiki 
pages after the core/extras merge since there was concerns expressed of 
overstepping boundaries.

If anyone can merge the archives of fedora-maintainers and 
fedora-devel-list, that might be useful for future searches.

Rahul

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Toshio Kuratomi | 7 Sep 00:00

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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Brian Pepple wrote:
>> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 01:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> Can I update all the relevant wiki pages to point to fedora-devel
>>> instead?
>>>
>>
>> Rahul, definitely.  I would appreciate it a lot if you could, since it
>> save me the trouble of doing it.
>>
>> Thanks,
> 
> Done.
I just changed http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem2
to say: "Auto subscribe new packagers to the fedora-devel-announce when
their cvsextras status is approved." as I think that matches what we've
discussed on the list before.  Feel free to change it back if it
actually should be fedora-devel-list.

-Toshio

Till Maas | 6 Sep 23:28

Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Do September 6 2007, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> If anyone can merge the archives of fedora-maintainers and
> fedora-devel-list, that might be useful for future searches.

If this is possible, imho the extras list should be added, too.

Regards,
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Jesse Keating | 6 Sep 22:19

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Re: PLEASE READ: This list is going to be closed end on 2007-09-10

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:45:46 -0400
Brian Pepple <bpepple <at> fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> The plan is to close the fedora-maintainers-list on 2007-09-10.  The
> fedora-devel-list will be the mailing that acts as the direct
> successor for the fedora-maintainers-list.  To subscribe please go to
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Also note the existence of 'fedora-devel-announce' which is an
announcement list where important development related announcements
will be sent to.  This is designed to be low traffic (it's moderated).
Posts to this list are echoed to fedora-devel-list so it is not
necessary to subscribe to both.  Discussion of items posted to
fedora-devel-announce will happen on fedora-devel-list.

https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce

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