Re: Ass hole (fwd)

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:56:36 -0700
"Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> RobertHoltzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 06:57:49PM +0100, Gilles Gravier wrote:
> >> Res,
> >>
> >> On 02/01/2010 18:35, Res wrote:
> >>> i never was asked or agreed to it when i subbed, so sod off and
> >>> go play net-cop with someone else you tosser
> >>>
> >> Do you know the concept of "implicit agreement"? You signed up for
> >> the list, means you implicitly agreed to the code. Go check
> >> "implicit" in a dictionary.
> > 
> > Just for my information, is the fact that you implicitly agree to
> > the C of C spelled out when you subscribe? It's been so long I
> > can't remember.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 	We really need to stop using Re: Ass hole since it is my 
> private message he sent back to this list. We need to just 
> ignore him. And just let it die.
> 
> 73 Karl
> 
> 

Can you feel the love tonight 

(of course, I was trying yo sing that goofy Elton John song
from the Lion King)

Hey - don't even make fun of my off-key singing. Just trying to lighten
the mood a tad.

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Chris

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government fears the people, there is liberty."

           -- Thomas Jefferson

Re: Ass hole (fwd)

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<div>from POOOLESGOV3000 <at> YAHOO.COM:&nbsp; I never sent the message "assole."&nbsp; I am not<br>responsible for it, I don't use that kind of language on the public INTERNET.<br>
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<span>From:</span> Karl F. Larsen &lt;klarsen1 <at> gmail.com&gt;<br><span>To:</span> "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" &lt;ubuntu-users <at> lists.ubuntu.com&gt;<br><span s tyle="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span> Sat, January 2, 2010 7:56:36 PM<br><span>Subject:</span> Re: Ass hole
 (fwd)<br><br>RobertHoltzman wrote:<br>&gt; On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 06:57:49PM +0100, Gilles Gravier wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Res,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On 02/01/2010 18:35, Res wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; i never was asked or agreed to it when i subbed, so sod off and go play <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; net-cop with someone else you tosser<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Do you know the concept of "implicit agreement"? You signed up for the<br>&gt;&gt; list, means you implicitly agreed to the code. Go check "implicit" in a<br>&gt;&gt; dictionary.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Just for my information, is the fact that you implicitly agree to the C<br>&gt; of C spelled out when you subscribe? It's been so long I can't remember.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We really need to stop using Re: Ass hole since i
 t is my <br>private message he sent back to this list. We need to just <br>ignore him. And just let it die.<br><br>73 Karl<br><br><br>-- <br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Karl
 F. Larsen, AKA K5DI<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Linux User<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; #450462&nbsp;  <a href="http://counter.li.org" target="_blank">http://counter.li.org</a>.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Key ID = 3951B48D<br><br><br>-- <br>ubuntu-users mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:ubuntu-users <at> lists.ubuntu.com" href="mailto:ubuntu-users <at> lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-users <at> lists.ubuntu.com</a><br>Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users</a><br>
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Re: Yet Another Boring Discussion About The CoC

Thanks Amedee for shooting faster than I did. :)

On 03/01/2010 11:11, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
> On 03-01-10 01:42, RobertHoltzman wrote:
>   
>> On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 06:57:49PM +0100, Gilles Gravier wrote:
>>     
>>> Res,
>>>
>>> On 02/01/2010 18:35, Res wrote:
>>>       
>>>> i never was asked or agreed to it when i subbed, so sod off and go play
>>>> net-cop with someone else you tosser
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Do you know the concept of "implicit agreement"? You signed up for the
>>> list, means you implicitly agreed to the code. Go check "implicit" in a
>>> dictionary.
>>>       
>> Just for my information, is the fact that you implicitly agree to the C
>> of C spelled out when you subscribe? It's been so long I can't remember.
>>
>>
>>     
> It is implicitly spelled out, yes.
>
> Didn't you read the memo two weeks ago, by Mark Shuttleworth?
> There was even a bug report and the mailing list etiquette was changed 
> to explicitly point to the CoC.
>
> Just click on this link, will ya?
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
>
> "Subscribing to ubuntu-users
>
> Subscribe to ubuntu-users by filling out the following form. Please 
> respect the Ubuntu Code of Conduct when posting to this list."
>
>   
And by the way, as is the case in many places on our planet, just
ignoring the fact that the code of conduct exists doesn't prevent you
from adhering to it. Examples are all over. Take laws in a country. Most
citizens don't know them all (the books of laws are way too thick, and
even lawyers have to be specialized and don't know them all)... yet we
all have to adhere by the law. In fact, most countries have a "you
cannot ignore the law" rule which is implicit or explicit, but mandates
that you follow the laws, even if you don't know them all.

Same as code of conduct. You migh have subscribed in a way that didn't
make you see them (when you are born in a country, you aren't asked to
sign an agreement to adhere to the laws on your day of birth)... yet you
have to.

Same here. The code of conduct exists. It's, in fact, EASY to find it
(as you point out, Amedee, there's a link in each mail posted to the
list)... and you should respect it. Just like (I saw that mentionned
elsewhere on the list) radio amateurs are asked to follow a code of
conduct when talking on the airwaves.

It's usually just common sense and politeness that is aimed at keeping
everybody happy and nice.

Gilles.

Re: Yet Another Boring Discussion About The CoC

On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 11:11:37AM +0100, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
> >
> It is implicitly spelled out, yes.
> 
> Didn't you read the memo two weeks ago, by Mark Shuttleworth?
> There was even a bug report and the mailing list etiquette was changed 
> to explicitly point to the CoC.
> 
> Just click on this link, will ya?
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> "Subscribing to ubuntu-users
> 
> Subscribe to ubuntu-users by filling out the following form. Please 
> respect the Ubuntu Code of Conduct when posting to this list."

Small quibble: if you want to get technical that's a request not an imperative.

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Bob Holtzman
GPG key ID = 8D549279
If you think you're getting free lunch
check the price of the beer.

On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 11:11:37AM +0100, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
> >
> It is implicitly spelled out, yes.
> 
> Didn't you read the memo two weeks ago, by Mark Shuttleworth?
> There was even a bug report and the mailing list etiquette was changed 
> to explicitly point to the CoC.
> 
> Just click on this link, will ya?
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> 
> "Subscribing to ubuntu-users
> 
> Subscribe to ubuntu-users by filling out the following form. Please 
> respect the Ubuntu Code of Conduct when posting to this list."

Small quibble: if you want to get technical that's a request not an imperative.

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check the price of the beer.

Re: Two disruptive users on ubuntu-users

On 01/03/2010 08:04 PM, Res wrote:
> grow up child, I have rarely posted recently, but by teh hand of god, if
> you want me to spend time here, reminding newbies that self appointed net
> cop dictator loosers like yourself also should not be tolerated, then
> I will gladly allocate an hour or so a day.
>
> oh yeah where this "a lot of people are complaining?" theres you, who have
> always had it in for me becuse I pulled you up on your net-cop attitude,
> wheres the others...

You shouldn't assume that just because there are only a few vocal 
critics, that the silent majority sanctions what you do. You seem to 
think hiding behind a pseudonym "Res" (or is it "Noel"?), or at least 
not clearly identifying yourself, and the fact that this is an 
unmoderated list gives you the license to act as you please, which is to 
say, like a total boor. The latest example of your unacceptable 
behaviour is forwarding what was clearly a private communication from 
KFL to you to a public mailing list. Aside from the fact that this is a 
pretty despicably low thing to do, it has nothing to do with the 
explicitly-stated purpose of this list. No doubt, KFL is a crackpot. At 
least he's often a well-meaning crackpot. You're worse. You're a toxic 
individual who is the antithesis of the spirit and meaning of the word 
"ubuntu".

I was fortunate to learn at a relatively young age that bullies like you 
are also big cowards and that all one has to do is stand up to them to 
get them to stop bullying. There was a big bully from my middle school 
who had to come to school for weeks with a splint on his broken nose and 
a nice pair of black eyes after one of my more memorable applications of 
that lesson. If you're the same malevolent bastard off-line as you are 
on-line, some day, you'll say the wrong thing to the wrong person and 
you'll get a well-deserved beating. Hopefully, it won't cost you your 
life so that you'll learn from the experience.

Having said all that, I am adamantly opposed to kicking you or anyone 
else off the list. You have the right, but not a license, to be 
offensive but I reserve the right to tell you, as I'm doing now, to shut 
up and sit down if I think you're being offensive.
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Re: Two disruptive users on ubuntu-users

Res and Karl,
It clearly state when signing up for the Ubuntu User mailing list
"Please respect the Ubuntu Code of Conduct when posting to this
list.". Please try to respect those guidelines when posting to the
list.

Mike

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Res <res <at> ausics.net> wrote:
>
> grow up child, I have rarely posted recently, but by teh hand of god, if
> you want me to spend time here, reminding newbies that self appointed net
> cop dictator loosers like yourself also should not be tolerated, then
> I will gladly allocate an hour or so a day.
>
> oh yeah where this "a lot of people are complaining?" theres you, who have
> always had it in for me becuse I pulled you up on your net-cop attitude,
> wheres the others...
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Amedee Van Gasse sooked:
>
>> Dear Community Council,
>>
>> I would like to report two users on the ubuntu-users mailing list, that
>> many people find particularly disruptive:
>>
>> * Res (res <at> ausics.net)
>> * Karl F. Larsen (klarsen1 <at> gmail.com)
>>
>> I report this because a lot of people are complaining, but so far no
>> actions have been taken to prevent useless flame wars.
>
>
>
> --
> Res
>
> "What does Windows have that Linux doesn't?" - One hell of a lot of bugs!
>
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Re: Two disruptive users on ubuntu-users

Res wrote:
>
> grow up child, I have rarely posted recently, but by teh hand of god, if
> you want me to spend time here, reminding newbies that self appointed net
> cop dictator loosers like yourself also should not be tolerated, then
> I will gladly allocate an hour or so a day.
>
> oh yeah where this "a lot of people are complaining?" theres you, who have
> always had it in for me becuse I pulled you up on your net-cop attitude,
> wheres the others...
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Amedee Van Gasse sooked:
>
>> Dear Community Council,
>>
>> I would like to report two users on the ubuntu-users mailing list, that
>> many people find particularly disruptive:
>>
>> * Res (res <at> ausics.net)
>> * Karl F. Larsen (klarsen1 <at> gmail.com)
>>
>> I report this because a lot of people are complaining, but so far no
>> actions have been taken to prevent useless flame wars.
>
>
>
> --
> Res
>
> "What does Windows have that Linux doesn't?" - One hell of a lot of bugs!
>
I don't approve of you methods or the way you post.  More like a bully 
kid.  Grow up and quit wasting the list's bandwidth. I don't think you 
really want a list vote on this.  But, if so, I vote for Amedee.

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Re: Two disruptive users on ubuntu-users

Elizabeth Krumbach wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Amedee Van Gasse
> <amedee-ubuntu <at> amedee.be> wrote:
>> Dear Community Council,
>>
>> I would like to report two users on the ubuntu-users mailing list, that
>> many people find particularly disruptive:
>>
>> * Res (res <at> ausics.net)
>> * Karl F. Larsen (klarsen1 <at> gmail.com)
>>
>> I report this because a lot of people are complaining, but so far no
>> actions have been taken to prevent useless flame wars.
> 
> Thank you very much for speaking up, Amedee.
> 
> The Community Council is aware of the situation and is working to take
> steps to handle it in the best, least disruptive way.
> 

Ruh Roh.... The jig is up!!!

Re: Two disruptive users on ubuntu-users

Elizabeth Krumbach wrote:
> The Community Council is aware of the situation and is working to take
> steps to handle it in the best, least disruptive way.

    Hmmm, anyone want to take a bet that this is one message to which no
belligerent reply will be found from either of the named parties?

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Elizabeth Krumbach wrote:
> The Community Council is aware of the situation and is working to take
> steps to handle it in the best, least disruptive way.

    Hmmm, anyone want to take a bet that this is one message to which no
belligerent reply will be found from either of the named parties?

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Re: Ass hole (fwd)

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<div>Years ago, I put together my own HEATH KIT Ham Radio receiver, and I spent<br>many, enjoyable hours of SWL (short wave listening.)<br>from POOLESGOV3000 <at> YAHOO.COM<br>
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<span>From:</span> Robert Watson &lt;poolesgov3000 <at> yahoo.com&gt;<br><span>To:</span> "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" &lt;ubuntu-users <at> lists.ubuntu.com&gt;<br><span>Sent:</span> Sat, January 2, 2010 8:26:17 PM<br><span>Subject:</span> Re: Ass hole
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<div>You know that FCC regulations restrict the language we can use<br>on the public airway.&nbsp;&nbsp; Let's use that same courtesy, here, on our<br>public internet. <br>e-mail.&nbsp; NO NAME-CALLING,<br>
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<span>From:</span> RobertHoltzman &lt;holtzm <at> cox.net&gt;<br><span>To:</span> ubuntu-users <at> lists.ubuntu.com<br><span>Sent:</span> Sat, January 2, 2010 7:48:52 PM<br><span>Subject:</span> Re: Ass hole (fwd)<br><br>On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 11:27:29AM -0700,
 Karl F. Larsen wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As a matter of fact I got my Extra Class Amateur Radio <br>&gt; License back when you had to find an FCC Office willing to <br>&gt; test you. I first passed the morse code test of receiving and <br>&gt; sending 20 words per minute, and then a written exam which was <br>&gt; easy since I hold an advanced degree in Electrical Engineering.<br><br>That explains it! It's been my observation over the years that EEs are a<br>simple people with a childlike faith and a natural sense of rhythm<br>(60Hz). I really have nothing against them. I just wouldn't want one to<br>marry my sister.<br><br>Oh, I expect I'll hear about this one.`<br><br>-- <br>Bob Holtzman<br>GPG key ID = 8D549279<br>If you think you're getting free lunch<br>check the pri
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