As I understood it, a large part of the UL vision was
to create a neutral distribution which could be certified
by various vendors but.... the big end goal was that
"a thousand companies might bloom."

UL wasn't especially interesting as "just another distro"
but was interesting because it was to be the basis on
which many of us could start our own little service/support
companies.

I still like the "thousand companies" vision but I'm not
sure that working on UL itself is a good way to persue
that vision.

It might be better to start not with the distro, but with
the companies!   To think about how to create a few
small businesses demonstrating the need for a UL, and
work backwards from there --- rather than trying to
make a UL and push forward to companies.

Am I alone in thinking these things?

-t




Benj. Mako Hill wrote:

<quote who="p h" date="Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 04:16:15PM -0400">

1. Any one still out there? < I ask becouse i use to get info on this group and had to resign up.

2. Wiki seems down is there any where else for info.. 3. I would still like to see what i could do with this distro withing the outlines we use to have set up and objections or comments thanks.

UL was really just a set of package selections on Debian. With time, bitrot kicked in and even those were not installable in Debian. I made a new version of those packages that installed onto Ubuntu and uploaded those. I even contributed my changes into a branch in a UL CVS repository. Those packages were updated again for the last release of Ubuntu -- changes that will probably also need to be moved into versions of the packages that will work with Etch. As far as I know, that's about all the work on UL that is going on at the moment unless there's more that's been off of this list. Regards, Mako

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As I understood it, a large part of the UL vision was<br>
to create a neutral distribution which could be certified<br>
by various vendors but.... the big end goal was that<br>
"a thousand companies might bloom."<br><br>
UL wasn't especially interesting as "just another distro"<br>
but was interesting because it was to be the basis on<br>
which many of us could start our own little service/support<br>
companies.<br><br>
I still like the "thousand companies" vision but I'm not<br>
sure that working on UL itself is a good way to persue<br>
that vision.<br><br>
It might be better to start not with the distro, but with<br>
the companies!&nbsp;&nbsp; To think about how to create a few <br>
small businesses demonstrating the need for a UL, and<br>
work backwards from there --- rather than trying to <br>
make a UL and push forward to companies.<br><br>
Am I alone in thinking these things?<br><br>
-t<br><br><br><br><br>
Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid20060615220352.GK15947 <at> yukidoke.org" type="cite">
  &lt;quote who="p h" date="Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 04:16:15PM -0400"&gt;

  <blockquote type="cite">
    1. Any one still out there? &lt; I ask becouse i use to get info on
   this group and had to resign up.

  </blockquote>

  
  <blockquote type="cite">
    2. Wiki seems down is there any where else for info..

3. I would still like to see what i could do with this distro
   withing the outlines we use to have set up and objections or
   comments thanks.

  </blockquote>

UL was really just a set of package selections on Debian. With time,
bitrot kicked in and even those were not installable in Debian. I made
a new version of those packages that installed onto Ubuntu and
uploaded those. I even contributed my changes into a branch in a UL
CVS repository. Those packages were updated again for the last release
of Ubuntu -- changes that will probably also need to be moved into
versions of the packages that will work with Etch.

As far as I know, that's about all the work on UL that is going on at
the moment unless there's more that's been off of this list.

Regards,
Mako

  
</blockquote>
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