Dr. Werner Fink | 9 Feb 16:33
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IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

Hi,

... yep, I'm aware of http://upnp.vdr-developer.org/ but this one
seems to be very dead.  Nevertheless I'd like to use a VDR as
recording system only using the second coax line maybe extended
by uncable to use two transponders over one coax line.  For this
it would be perfect to be able to manage, control, and navigate
the VDR and its menues over the DLNA support of this new TV.

    Werner

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Denis Loh | 9 Feb 20:45

Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

Am 09.02.2012 16:33, schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
> Hi,
>
> ... yep, I'm aware of http://upnp.vdr-developer.org/ but this one
> seems to be very dead.  Nevertheless I'd like to use a VDR as
> recording system only using the second coax line maybe extended
> by uncable to use two transponders over one coax line.  For this
> it would be perfect to be able to manage, control, and navigate
> the VDR and its menues over the DLNA support of this new TV.
>
>      Werner
>
Hi,

i am still working on it. However, progess is very slow, sorry. 
Nevertheless, you cannot control the vdr the way you expected. An 
default DLNA server only allows you to show media files (and live TV) on 
your DLNA or UPnP capable device. You cannot schedule recordings, 
start/stop the server or do anything beside watching media, unfortunatelly.

DLNA does not specify those features in its current version 1.5. It will 
be supported in 2.0 and above, however it may take some years that 
devices implementors will support them as they are mostly optional. I 
even haven't seen any TV device which supports the tuner service 
capability of a DLNA media server very well (In this case, you would be 
able to switch channels by pressing a channel number or by 
chan-up/chan-down).

Additionally, it won't be possible to show any EPG or OSD on an DLNA 
device without work-a-rounds, like transcoding EPG/OSD into an MPEG 
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Michael Rademacher | 10 Feb 08:27

Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

Hi,

On Thu, 09.02.12, at 20:45 Denis Loh <denis.loh <at> googlemail.com> wrote:

> Well, DLNA sounds perfect when you don't expect too much:

Thanks a lot for this clarification in contrast to the usual adulation for
DLNA. :)

Radi.
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Dr. Werner Fink | 10 Feb 18:03
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Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 08:45:16PM +0100, Denis Loh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i am still working on it. However, progess is very slow, sorry.
> Nevertheless, you cannot control the vdr the way you expected. An
> default DLNA server only allows you to show media files (and live TV)
> on your DLNA or UPnP capable device. You cannot schedule recordings,
> start/stop the server or do anything beside watching media,
> unfortunatelly.
> 
> DLNA does not specify those features in its current version 1.5. It
> will be supported in 2.0 and above, however it may take some years
> that devices implementors will support them as they are mostly
> optional. I even haven't seen any TV device which supports the tuner
> service capability of a DLNA media server very well (In this case,
> you would be able to switch channels by pressing a channel number or
> by chan-up/chan-down).
> 
> Additionally, it won't be possible to show any EPG or OSD on an DLNA
> device without work-a-rounds, like transcoding EPG/OSD into an MPEG
> stream. There is a possibility to transmit text based date, but this
> is not being supported by any TV device I know.
> 
> Well, DLNA sounds perfect when you don't expect too much: you may
> exchange media from one device to another. You can share media of a
> certain device to others and let them play it. But you cannot play
> files which are not supported by the device, even though it may play
> the files directly for instance via USB. Sounds ridiculous, but works
> as designed.
> 
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Mikko Tuumanen | 11 Feb 18:19
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Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

> i am still working on it.

I have a feature reuqest for the vdr dlna server.

I bought a tv and fast forwarding through the dlna is terribly slow (tried 
minidlna) and there are no "skip one minute" or "goto hh:mm" etc. 
functionality at all.

Skipping minute forward, backward and "goto hh:mm" like vdr does could be 
implemented in the dlna server. Then the user could send these commands to te 
server which would do the skipping (its easy when we have the vdr index files). 
Of course controlling can't be done with the dlna client remote control and 
doing this with multiple dlna clients is not so simple (need separate remote 
control for each client, etc).

Another idea: 

Vdr in a cheap computer that is not able to decode and deinterlace the video 
properly. Connect a dlna cabable tv to the dvi output of the computer and the 
tv to the same network as the computer. Then it will be possible to create a 
cDlnaDevice that will draw osd on an X11 window and send all video to the dlna 
client. If the tv is remote controllable through serial port or ethernet then 
switching from video to osd and back could be automatic. Of course it wouldn't 
be osd any more, but menus could be used anyway. Unfortunately subtitles 
wouldn't work at all unless the tv supported them.

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Pim Zandbergen | 10 Feb 18:07
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Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.

Pim

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Denis Loh | 10 Feb 20:04

Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

Am 10.02.2012 18:07, schrieb Pim Zandbergen:
> I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
>
> Pim
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Ack! These combination should work as there are many users who reported 
a working setup.

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but I thought that hbbTV is sent by the 
broadcasters themselves. Maybe someone has spent some time to work on a 
smartTV (e.g. for samsung) app, which can be installed and used by the user.

Denis

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Luca Olivetti | 10 Feb 21:43

Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

Al 10/02/12 18:07, En/na Pim Zandbergen ha escrit:
> I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.

Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings

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Timothy D. Lenz | 11 Feb 23:08

Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv 
not an option.  I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches 
and stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number 
grouping you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.

On 2/10/2012 1:43 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote:
> Al 10/02/12 18:07, En/na Pim Zandbergen ha escrit:
>> I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
>
> Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
>
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Teemu Suikki | 16 Feb 11:55

Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

Howdy!

There is an installation instructions for vdr-plugin-upnp here:
http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Upnp-plugin

I also installed libupnp-1.6.6 with this dlna patch:
http://svn.assembla.com/svn/VDR-M7x0/trunk/toolchain/patches/libupnp/1.6.6/dlna/100-CustomHeader.0.0.3.patch

I'm using the plugin with VDR 1.7.15 and Playstation3. PS3 detects the
VDR correctly, but there are no recordings or live channels available,
it's just all empty.

When looking at the log file (with -vvvvv), i see this:

UPnP server message: Browse requested by 192.168.0.201.
UPnP server message: ===== Browsing =====
UPnP server message: ID: 0
UPnP server message: Browse metadata
UPnP server message: Filter:
@id,upnp:class,res,res <at> protocolInfo,res <at> av:authenticationUri,res <at> size,dc:title,upnp:albumArtURI,res <at> dlna:ifoFileURI,res <at> protection,res <at> bitrate,res <at> duration,res <at> sampleFrequency,res <at> bitsPerSample,res <at> nrAudioChannels,res <at> resolution,res <at> colorDepth,dc:date,av:dateTime,upnp:artist,upnp:album,upnp:genre,dc:contributer,upnp:storageFree,upnp:storageUsed,upnp:originalTrackNumber,dc:publisher,dc:language,dc:region,dc:description,upnp:toc,@childCount,upnp:albumArtURI <at> dlna:profileID,res <at> dlna:cleartextSize

UPnP server message: Offset: 0
UPnP server message: Count: 1
UPnP server message: Sort: (null)
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server message: Pushing property
UPnP server error:Parsing filter failed
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Denis Loh | 16 Feb 13:26

Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

Actually, I think some of the properties are not well formatted. UPnP
defines a strict pattern, which I implemented (hopefully) properly.
However, some devices may ignore this pattern. I will try to find out,
which of these parameters is the offending one.

2012/2/16 Teemu Suikki <tsuikki <at> zuik.org>:
> Howdy!
>
> There is an installation instructions for vdr-plugin-upnp here:
> http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Upnp-plugin
>
> I also installed libupnp-1.6.6 with this dlna patch:
> http://svn.assembla.com/svn/VDR-M7x0/trunk/toolchain/patches/libupnp/1.6.6/dlna/100-CustomHeader.0.0.3.patch
>
> I'm using the plugin with VDR 1.7.15 and Playstation3. PS3 detects the
> VDR correctly, but there are no recordings or live channels available,
> it's just all empty.
>
> When looking at the log file (with -vvvvv), i see this:
>
> UPnP server message: Browse requested by 192.168.0.201.
> UPnP server message: ===== Browsing =====
> UPnP server message: ID: 0
> UPnP server message: Browse metadata
> UPnP server message: Filter:
> @id,upnp:class,res,res <at> protocolInfo,res <at> av:authenticationUri,res <at> size,dc:title,upnp:albumArtURI,res <at> dlna:ifoFileURI,res <at> protection,res <at> bitrate,res <at> duration,res <at> sampleFrequency,res <at> bitsPerSample,res <at> nrAudioChannels,res <at> resolution,res <at> colorDepth,dc:date,av:dateTime,upnp:artist,upnp:album,upnp:genre,dc:contributer,upnp:storageFree,upnp:storageUsed,upnp:originalTrackNumber,dc:publisher,dc:language,dc:region,dc:description,upnp:toc,@childCount,upnp:albumArtURI <at> dlna:profileID,res <at> dlna:cleartextSize
>
> UPnP server message: Offset: 0
> UPnP server message: Count: 1
> UPnP server message: Sort: (null)
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Teemu Suikki | 16 Feb 17:38

Re: IS there a working UPnP-AV/DLNA support for VDR?

Hi,

I think there is something else wrong, nothing is shown on my ubuntu
box either with Totem player.. It should be very basic upnp player.

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2012/2/16 Denis Loh <denis.loh <at> googlemail.com>:
> Actually, I think some of the properties are not well formatted. UPnP
> defines a strict pattern, which I implemented (hopefully) properly.
> However, some devices may ignore this pattern. I will try to find out,
> which of these parameters is the offending one.
>
> 2012/2/16 Teemu Suikki <tsuikki <at> zuik.org>:
>> Howdy!
>>
>> There is an installation instructions for vdr-plugin-upnp here:
>> http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Upnp-plugin
>>
>> I also installed libupnp-1.6.6 with this dlna patch:
>> http://svn.assembla.com/svn/VDR-M7x0/trunk/toolchain/patches/libupnp/1.6.6/dlna/100-CustomHeader.0.0.3.patch
>>
>> I'm using the plugin with VDR 1.7.15 and Playstation3. PS3 detects the
>> VDR correctly, but there are no recordings or live channels available,
>> it's just all empty.
>>
>> When looking at the log file (with -vvvvv), i see this:
>>
>> UPnP server message: Browse requested by 192.168.0.201.
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