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Robert Spykerman | 30 May 2011 09:07

[ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

Dear All,

I have just discovered that fixstars have just got off a 6.3 release on their x86 CUDA distribution and am just downloading it to have a look. Notably, I found out about it not from fixstars themselves but rather:

http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7860

Does anyone know anything about this release? I am wondering if it is all worthwhile looking at in the first place given that it appears on superficial googling there is very little chatter on the net, at least publicly, about their CUDA releases whatsoever in the first place. Not a lot even here. Where do their users hang out?

I am just wondering about the future of their x86 release(s) and if there's any point at all trying it out.

Could I ask if anyone here is in the know, or could point me to the right place?

Cheers,

Robert

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Derick Centeno | 30 May 2011 18:30

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

Interesting link, thanks!

OSU probably got it through ydl.net; you can read about it here:
http://www.ydl.net/ydl_cuda/

Your question regarding "where the users hang out...?" is best seen
within context of IBM's decision to incorporate PowerPC/Cell based
strategies into multi-core development which integrated better with GPUs
such as Nvidia and other high performance systems.  Fixstars, in my
view, moved the YDL product line into a reasonable future with a great
deal of longevity for those interested in working and programming in
these areas of technology which utilize the full benefits of high-end
systems such as advanced research and systems, including super-clusters.

The options available for less determined individuals and institutions
have remained restricted especially as the ability to run Linux on Cell
based systems close to the consumer market (the PS3, Xbox, and Wii)
really doesn't exist.  In nearly ever case Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo
aggressively resist any Linux project successfully utilizing their
hardware. It is a different argument entirely whether Sony could have
avoided their current predicament or whether the strategies other
vendors pursued in the game market spared them Sony's fate.  In any
case, the result is the same as far as the use of Linux is concerned on
advanced hardware -- the "dead pool" appearance of what used to be "hot"
years ago is understandable, although regrettable in that context.

If there is any resurrection of the YDL community to what it was I'm
very sure that it's vibrancy will be different for the key factors which
helped drive excitement and curiosity within the consumer market such as
integrating Linux with powerful, yet cheap hardware, repackaged by
dynamic CEOs are not present or visible (publicly) as they used to be.

As for Linux with CUDA releases, Fixstars appears to have continued what
I believe Terra Soft Solutions did rather well -- streamlining Linux to
work with amazing hardware.  It takes time to observe, as a consumer,
what is going on in this very different, and uniquely narrow, market
especially as developments may tend to be and remain for some time,
outside the area of typical consumer interest.

As far as "trying CUDA out" there's a lot of work going on but it
appears to be centered in Asia primarily as the level of engineering
skill available has been reported to be higher.  Fortunately Google
Translate exists which can be helpful in translating current technical
documents discussing CUDA programming and other details from Japanese or
Chinese or Korean into English.  My own skills in those languages are
rather fundamental but strong enough to understand that Google Translate
though useful is very, very limited.  There's nothing like studying the
languages and related cultures directly as unlike English, they are more
ancient and highly contextual.

On 5/30/2011 3:07 AM, Robert Spykerman wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I have just discovered that fixstars have just got off a 6.3 release on
> their x86 CUDA distribution and am just downloading it to have a look.
> Notably, I found out about it not from fixstars themselves but rather:
> 
> http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7860
> <http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7860>
> 
> Does anyone know anything about this release? I am wondering if it is
> all worthwhile looking at in the first place given that it appears on
> superficial googling there is very little chatter on the net, at least
> publicly, about their CUDA releases whatsoever in the first place. Not a
> lot even here. Where do their users hang out?
> 
> I am just wondering about the future of their x86 release(s) and if
> there's any point at all trying it out.
> 
> Could I ask if anyone here is in the know, or could point me to the
> right place?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
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Robert Spykerman | 31 May 2011 03:31

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

Om 2011/5/31 heeft Derick Centeno <dcenteno <at> ydl.net> geschreven:

> ...Your question regarding "where the users hang out...?" is best seen.....

Sorry, perhaps you misunderstand me, I was probably not making myself clear.

I was wondering where the official forum/support for YDL for CUDA actually is.
Perhaps this is it. Or perhaps there is only a 'paid-up' one.

Secondly, do people actually use it? Given the paucity of any hits on google..

> .... As far as "trying CUDA out" ...

CUDA is quite everywhere. There's fortunately no lack of
documentation. I was actually referring to trying out this specific
distro and my concerns as note above.

Maybe it'll be clearer once the download comes through, but in the
interim, if anyone knows a bit more and can enlighten me, I'd be very
grateful :)

Robert
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JON ASSS | 31 May 2011 03:44

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

im sorry to tell you that i do not know where they would be and what are you acctually tryin to do ? im really lost here

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Robert Spykerman <robert.spykerman <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Om 2011/5/31 heeft Derick Centeno <dcenteno <at> ydl.net> geschreven:

> ...Your question regarding "where the users hang out...?" is best seen.....

Sorry, perhaps you misunderstand me, I was probably not making myself clear.

I was wondering where the official forum/support for YDL for CUDA actually is.
Perhaps this is it. Or perhaps there is only a 'paid-up' one.

Secondly, do people actually use it? Given the paucity of any hits on google..

> .... As far as "trying CUDA out" ...

CUDA is quite everywhere. There's fortunately no lack of
documentation. I was actually referring to trying out this specific
distro and my concerns as note above.

Maybe it'll be clearer once the download comes through, but in the
interim, if anyone knows a bit more and can enlighten me, I'd be very
grateful :)

Robert
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JON ASSS | 31 May 2011 03:45

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

and yes deffiently people use linux !!!!!!!!!!!! there is a huge demand for it :D

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:44 AM, JON ASSS <easzy123 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

im sorry to tell you that i do not know where they would be and what are you acctually tryin to do ? im really lost here

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Robert Spykerman <robert.spykerman <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Om 2011/5/31 heeft Derick Centeno <dcenteno <at> ydl.net> geschreven:

> ...Your question regarding "where the users hang out...?" is best seen.....

Sorry, perhaps you misunderstand me, I was probably not making myself clear.

I was wondering where the official forum/support for YDL for CUDA actually is.
Perhaps this is it. Or perhaps there is only a 'paid-up' one.

Secondly, do people actually use it? Given the paucity of any hits on google..

> .... As far as "trying CUDA out" ...

CUDA is quite everywhere. There's fortunately no lack of
documentation. I was actually referring to trying out this specific
distro and my concerns as note above.

Maybe it'll be clearer once the download comes through, but in the
interim, if anyone knows a bit more and can enlighten me, I'd be very
grateful :)

Robert
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Derick Centeno | 31 May 2011 04:42

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

My comments follow yours below...

On 5/30/2011 9:31 PM, Robert Spykerman wrote:
> Om 2011/5/31 heeft Derick Centeno <dcenteno <at> ydl.net> geschreven:
> 
>> ...Your question regarding "where the users hang out...?" is best seen.....
> 
> Sorry, perhaps you misunderstand me, I was probably not making myself clear.
> 
> I was wondering where the official forum/support for YDL for CUDA actually is.
> Perhaps this is it. Or perhaps there is only a 'paid-up' one.
> 
> Secondly, do people actually use it? Given the paucity of any hits on google..

YDL.net is the site where you can query Fixstars regarding what is
current.  Perhaps I didn't explicitly emphasize this but Fixstars is
working with CUDA as well as enhancing it for their users.  If you check
their site you'll see more detail; my reference to them was that I
believe they still do a better job than all the other CUDA versions out
there.  In that specific sense, only the YDL distribution of CUDA
interests me because I believe that Fixstars is carrying forward what
Terra Soft Solutions had to let go.  I can be proven wrong of course,
but I've not learned yet that other distributions are as serious or
determined as Fixstars.

I very lightly suggested why a google search would be fairly useless at
this stage of Linux development regarding CUDA and similar efforts.  It
is a matter that commercial interests don't want to show their cards as
well as that the engineering effort and required investment is quite
outside of the typical area of consumer attention as many are distracted
by games, entertainment, etc.
> 
>> .... As far as "trying CUDA out" ...
> 
> CUDA is quite everywhere. There's fortunately no lack of
> documentation. I was actually referring to trying out this specific
> distro and my concerns as note above.
> 

I also wasn't clear.  My point is not that CUDA is not everywhere, but
rather the commitment and strength behind those other distributions have
been very sketchy and incomplete in comparison to what Fixstars
releases, in my opinion.  I base that view on my experience of having
observed Fixstars and how they took on the baton passed to them from
Terra Soft Solutions.

In it's time Terra Soft Solutions was very unique and focused in high
end programming and developing their YDL product to function within
extremely demanding high-end environments.  I'm sure it's still
available on the web somewhere how several companies consistently chose
YDL as their Linux distribution of choice as opposed to others because
the tools to engage upon serious high-end and advanced engineering were
included and developed within YDL.  I can't convey a belief as evidence
for you, but I think it may still be true that other distributions are
not attending to the details that Fixstars attends to.  I could be
wrong, you'll have to see for yourself.

> Maybe it'll be clearer once the download comes through, but in the
> interim, if anyone knows a bit more and can enlighten me, I'd be very
> grateful :)
> 
> Robert
> --
> chown -R us ./base

I'll have to see if I move onto YDL with CUDA myself.  Maybe soon.  Then
we'll see if maybe I'll be able to share more factual details!
Until then, All the Best...
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JON ASSS | 31 May 2011 05:44

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

are you talkin about linux for computer?

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Derick Centeno <dcenteno <at> ydl.net> wrote:

My comments follow yours below...

On 5/30/2011 9:31 PM, Robert Spykerman wrote:
> Om 2011/5/31 heeft Derick Centeno <dcenteno <at> ydl.net> geschreven:
>
>> ...Your question regarding "where the users hang out...?" is best seen.....
>
> Sorry, perhaps you misunderstand me, I was probably not making myself clear.
>
> I was wondering where the official forum/support for YDL for CUDA actually is.
> Perhaps this is it. Or perhaps there is only a 'paid-up' one.
>
> Secondly, do people actually use it? Given the paucity of any hits on google..

YDL.net is the site where you can query Fixstars regarding what is
current. Perhaps I didn't explicitly emphasize this but Fixstars is
working with CUDA as well as enhancing it for their users. If you check
their site you'll see more detail; my reference to them was that I
believe they still do a better job than all the other CUDA versions out
there. In that specific sense, only the YDL distribution of CUDA
interests me because I believe that Fixstars is carrying forward what
Terra Soft Solutions had to let go. I can be proven wrong of course,
but I've not learned yet that other distributions are as serious or
determined as Fixstars.

I very lightly suggested why a google search would be fairly useless at
this stage of Linux development regarding CUDA and similar efforts. It
is a matter that commercial interests don't want to show their cards as
well as that the engineering effort and required investment is quite
outside of the typical area of consumer attention as many are distracted
by games, entertainment, etc.
>
>> .... As far as "trying CUDA out" ...
>
> CUDA is quite everywhere. There's fortunately no lack of
> documentation. I was actually referring to trying out this specific
> distro and my concerns as note above.
>

I also wasn't clear. My point is not that CUDA is not everywhere, but
rather the commitment and strength behind those other distributions have
been very sketchy and incomplete in comparison to what Fixstars
releases, in my opinion. I base that view on my experience of having
observed Fixstars and how they took on the baton passed to them from
Terra Soft Solutions.

In it's time Terra Soft Solutions was very unique and focused in high
end programming and developing their YDL product to function within
extremely demanding high-end environments. I'm sure it's still
available on the web somewhere how several companies consistently chose
YDL as their Linux distribution of choice as opposed to others because
the tools to engage upon serious high-end and advanced engineering were
included and developed within YDL. I can't convey a belief as evidence
for you, but I think it may still be true that other distributions are
not attending to the details that Fixstars attends to. I could be
wrong, you'll have to see for yourself.

> Maybe it'll be clearer once the download comes through, but in the
> interim, if anyone knows a bit more and can enlighten me, I'd be very
> grateful :)
>
> Robert
> --
> chown -R us ./base

I'll have to see if I move onto YDL with CUDA myself. Maybe soon. Then
we'll see if maybe I'll be able to share more factual details!
Until then, All the Best...

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Robert Spykerman | 8 Jun 2011 00:26

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

General Update.

Yesterday I've actually gone and installed YDL CUDA 6.3 - it appears
to be fairly similar to YDL 6.2, from what I can see on
ftp.osuosl.org.

Main difference I can see is YDL CUDA 6.3 has CUDA 3.2 whereas I
believe YDL 6.2 only has 3.0 (not sure if an update will fix this).

I believe this is mainly a CentOS 5.x based distro, but not having
enough experience with CentOS, that's about as precise as I can
pinpoint it.

Kernel is 2.6.18-164 - 64 bit kernel. And this is a problem
specifically for me, for the machine I've installed it on has no NIC
it recognises (got one of those Atheros things).  So from that boot
up, I can't even get online from it to get it fixed.

Hmmm... I'll either boot up a live CD with a newer kernel and chroot
in to it to fix it, or build a newer kernel and boot into it.  Open to
any other suggestions.

I guess the main advantage this would have over a stock current debian
is that it appears to have been optimised for nvidia hardware but it
uses such an old kernel that one may have trouble with newer machines
like mine.

BTW, CUDA is actually up to 4.0 at the moment, so they're behind on
this at the moment too.

Brings up the initial question: Who at the moment is using this distro?

Robert

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JON ASSS | 3 Jul 2011 18:31

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

I Have a 2 ps3 that are fat modles one is a first gen and they are on 3.60 ofw and 3.66ofw if you have any type of linux that i could put on it i would really appreciate it

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Robert Spykerman <robert.spykerman <at> gmail.com> wrote:

General Update.

Yesterday I've actually gone and installed YDL CUDA 6.3 - it appears
to be fairly similar to YDL 6.2, from what I can see on
ftp.osuosl.org.

Main difference I can see is YDL CUDA 6.3 has CUDA 3.2 whereas I
believe YDL 6.2 only has 3.0 (not sure if an update will fix this).

I believe this is mainly a CentOS 5.x based distro, but not having
enough experience with CentOS, that's about as precise as I can
pinpoint it.

Kernel is 2.6.18-164 - 64 bit kernel. And this is a problem
specifically for me, for the machine I've installed it on has no NIC
it recognises (got one of those Atheros things). So from that boot
up, I can't even get online from it to get it fixed.

Hmmm... I'll either boot up a live CD with a newer kernel and chroot
in to it to fix it, or build a newer kernel and boot into it. Open to
any other suggestions.

I guess the main advantage this would have over a stock current debian
is that it appears to have been optimised for nvidia hardware but it
uses such an old kernel that one may have trouble with newer machines
like mine.

BTW, CUDA is actually up to 4.0 at the moment, so they're behind on
this at the moment too.

Brings up the initial question: Who at the moment is using this distro?

Robert

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Robert Spykerman | 8 Jul 2011 14:51

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

Op 2011/7/4 heeft JON ASSS <easzy123 <at> gmail.com> geschreven:
> I Have a 2 ps3 that are fat modles one is a first gen and they are on 3.60
> ofw and 3.66ofw if you have any type of linux that i could put on it i would
> really appreciate it

You might be out of luck, depending on the state of play at the moment.

I've not really kept track, my ps3 firmware is unpatched and unupdated
since that OtherOS removal fiasco, and has been somewhat abandoned -
keeping it for old time's sake. Still boots YDL 6.2. I'm keeping it
for now as it's the only non x86 machine in the house I have that
boots an OS I can tinker with. I am waiting for those ARM machines to
come (and likely the linuxes to follow). But I digress...

Take a look at gitbrew.org. I think your man, Levand, is there.
(Thanks for keeping this going, Geoff!)

I would warn you, linux on any machine is not for the faint of heart.
You have to be prepared to get your hands dirty. You will break
things. Have backups.

And be nice on this list.

Robert Spykerman.

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JON ASSS | 31 May 2011 03:26

Re: [ydl-gen] YDL for CUDA 6.3

i have no idea who the fuk u r ? who r u ? and is this linux for the new updates on ps3 because building a os for old version would b pointless

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Derick Centeno <dcenteno <at> ydl.net> wrote:

Interesting link, thanks!

OSU probably got it through ydl.net; you can read about it here:
http://www.ydl.net/ydl_cuda/

Your question regarding "where the users hang out...?" is best seen
within context of IBM's decision to incorporate PowerPC/Cell based
strategies into multi-core development which integrated better with GPUs
such as Nvidia and other high performance systems. Fixstars, in my
view, moved the YDL product line into a reasonable future with a great
deal of longevity for those interested in working and programming in
these areas of technology which utilize the full benefits of high-end
systems such as advanced research and systems, including super-clusters.

The options available for less determined individuals and institutions
have remained restricted especially as the ability to run Linux on Cell
based systems close to the consumer market (the PS3, Xbox, and Wii)
really doesn't exist. In nearly ever case Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo
aggressively resist any Linux project successfully utilizing their
hardware. It is a different argument entirely whether Sony could have
avoided their current predicament or whether the strategies other
vendors pursued in the game market spared them Sony's fate. In any
case, the result is the same as far as the use of Linux is concerned on
advanced hardware -- the "dead pool" appearance of what used to be "hot"
years ago is understandable, although regrettable in that context.

If there is any resurrection of the YDL community to what it was I'm
very sure that it's vibrancy will be different for the key factors which
helped drive excitement and curiosity within the consumer market such as
integrating Linux with powerful, yet cheap hardware, repackaged by
dynamic CEOs are not present or visible (publicly) as they used to be.

As for Linux with CUDA releases, Fixstars appears to have continued what
I believe Terra Soft Solutions did rather well -- streamlining Linux to
work with amazing hardware. It takes time to observe, as a consumer,
what is going on in this very different, and uniquely narrow, market
especially as developments may tend to be and remain for some time,
outside the area of typical consumer interest.

As far as "trying CUDA out" there's a lot of work going on but it
appears to be centered in Asia primarily as the level of engineering
skill available has been reported to be higher. Fortunately Google
Translate exists which can be helpful in translating current technical
documents discussing CUDA programming and other details from Japanese or
Chinese or Korean into English. My own skills in those languages are
rather fundamental but strong enough to understand that Google Translate
though useful is very, very limited. There's nothing like studying the
languages and related cultures directly as unlike English, they are more
ancient and highly contextual.

On 5/30/2011 3:07 AM, Robert Spykerman wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I have just discovered that fixstars have just got off a 6.3 release on
> their x86 CUDA distribution and am just downloading it to have a look.
> Notably, I found out about it not from fixstars themselves but rather:
>
> http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7860
> <http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7860>
>
> Does anyone know anything about this release? I am wondering if it is
> all worthwhile looking at in the first place given that it appears on
> superficial googling there is very little chatter on the net, at least
> publicly, about their CUDA releases whatsoever in the first place. Not a
> lot even here. Where do their users hang out?
>
> I am just wondering about the future of their x86 release(s) and if
> there's any point at all trying it out.
>
> Could I ask if anyone here is in the know, or could point me to the
> right place?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Robert
>
>
>

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