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Tom Rymes | 1 Oct 2010 17:17

Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

  On 10/01/2010 8:26 AM, christine kuhlmey wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is there a CGP MAPI-Connector for Outlook on MacOSX?
>
>
> Kind regards
> Christine
No, there is not. Mac support is a bit of a sore spot around here....

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Karl | 1 Oct 2010 17:38

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Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

The Mac version of Outlook in Office 2011 does not use MAPI.

It connects o Exchange 2007+ using Exchange Web Services just the same as Mac OS X Mail, etc, in Snow Leopard. 
CGP does not support this even though its a documented and the future as far as MS are concerned and not a hack
like MAPI.

Karl

On 2010-10-01, at 11:17 AM, Tom Rymes wrote:

> On 10/01/2010 8:26 AM, christine kuhlmey wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> is there a CGP MAPI-Connector for Outlook on MacOSX?
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Christine
> No, there is not. Mac support is a bit of a sore spot around here....
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Communigate Forum | 1 Oct 2010 17:56

Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

  god i have to try so hard not to SHOUT!!!!

why are stalker still faffing around with new 64 bit versions of mapi???

ews has to be the future, doesn't it????

i just don't understand... maybe a miracle will be unleashed in 5.4... 
HA HA HA..

rup

On 01/10/2010 16:38, Karl wrote:
> The Mac version of Outlook in Office 2011 does not use MAPI.
>
> It connects o Exchange 2007+ using Exchange Web Services just the same as Mac OS X Mail, etc, in Snow
Leopard.  CGP does not support this even though its a documented and the future as far as MS are concerned and
not a hack like MAPI.
>
> Karl
>
>
> On 2010-10-01, at 11:17 AM, Tom Rymes wrote:
>
>> On 10/01/2010 8:26 AM, christine kuhlmey wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is there a CGP MAPI-Connector for Outlook on MacOSX?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards

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Massimo Bolzoni | 1 Oct 2010 18:06

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Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

Ciao,

mac now is fully supported through:

- regular Mail app for IMAP connection and SMTP
- regular iCal app via caldav to the cgp
- Itoolabs sync toll for syncing the addressbook

So no more need of MAPI for mac :)

On the contrary MAPI is fine for windows user using OL.

AFAIK 5.4 will have a new improved mapi that will adress some problem actually shown on the latest versions
of OL and 64bit.

This is what Stalker has today and my umble opinion is that this cover a lot of cases. No one is perfect .... but
I am pretty sure improvements are near mainly on Pronto! client.

We will see soon.

Ciao

Max

Il giorno 01/ott/2010, alle ore 17.56, Communigate Forum ha scritto:

> god i have to try so hard not to SHOUT!!!!
> 
> why are stalker still faffing around with new 64 bit versions of mapi???
>

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Communigate Forum | 1 Oct 2010 18:17

Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

  ciao massimo,

not really a matter of the combination of bits and pieces that can be 
strung together to allow mac's to sync to cgp today, more a matter of 
being very worried that we are going to left way behind in general terms 
as most other servers adopt ews as their standard way of communicating 
with exchange-a-centric clients ie most.. while we will still be left 
cobbling together a bunch of non related work rounds to get something 
sort of working...

mapi is as far as i'm concerned legacy... look at how people grabbed the 
chance to use activesync as soon as it was sorted, cgp now has i suspect 
thousands of users connecting from a whole range of mobiles and pda's 
because it adopted activesync, the same would apply with ews....

rup

On 01/10/2010 17:06, Massimo Bolzoni wrote:
> Ciao,
>
> mac now is fully supported through:
>
> - regular Mail app for IMAP connection and SMTP
> - regular iCal app via caldav to the cgp
> - Itoolabs sync toll for syncing the addressbook
>
> So no more need of MAPI for mac :)
>
> On the contrary MAPI is fine for windows user using OL.
>

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Massimo Bolzoni | 1 Oct 2010 19:15

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Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

Ciao,

Il giorno 01/ott/2010, alle ore 18.17, Communigate Forum ha scritto:

> ciao massimo,
> 
> not really a matter of the combination of bits and pieces that can be strung together to allow mac's to sync
to cgp today, more a matter of being very worried that we are going to left way behind in general terms as most
other servers adopt ews as their standard way of communicating with exchange-a-centric clients ie
most.. while we will still be left cobbling together a bunch of non related work rounds to get something
sort of working...
> 

Indeed I do not consider the solution for mac user to be a combination of pieces, but the correct way to do....
as far as it makes the use of native clients for that platform working fine.

> mapi is as far as i'm concerned legacy... look at how people grabbed the chance to use activesync as soon as
it was sorted, cgp now has i suspect thousands of users connecting from a whole range of mobiles and pda's
because it adopted activesync, the same would apply with ews....

On this I can agree with you that MAPI actually is legacy.

The point could be more "why someone should use OL if you have another option?"

Now if your mail server is Exchange actually there is no reason, but if your UCS is CGP you have many.

Personally I used OL for 10 years and when switched to mac and Mail app I realized how much time I gave away in
that period..... then if I can have 95% of OL feature using another client that is much faster and
robust.... why not .... only because I can not use ews or because on the back end there is CGP and not Exchange.....

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Elliot Wilen | 1 Oct 2010 21:15

Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

No, Mac is not fully supported. Unless I've missed something, there's still no way to see the free/busy
status of attendees when you're creating a meeting in iCal with Communigate. So you're either going to
have to do it in the web interface, or your meeting requests are going to be "a shot in the dark" where you hope
everyone on your list is free at the proposed time.

As for EWS, there's a persistent misunderstanding of its present role and functionality.

rup, if you want to shout, perhaps others should free to shout back at you for this. Please stop misleading
people. Outlook/Win cannot use EWS. The argument to implement EWS rests on compatibility with Mac
Mail/iCal, Entourage, and Outlook 2011/Mac. The Mac Mail/iCal/Address Book argument is
undercut...somewhat...by the fact that they already work with CGate, subject to a few important caveats
(freebusy, non-LDAP address book sync), and that those caveats could be addressed by CGate implementing
CalDAV and CardDAV.

--Elliot Wilen

On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Massimo Bolzoni wrote:

> Ciao,
> 
> mac now is fully supported through:
> 
> - regular Mail app for IMAP connection and SMTP
> - regular iCal app via caldav to the cgp
> - Itoolabs sync toll for syncing the addressbook
> 
> So no more need of MAPI for mac :)
> 
> On the contrary MAPI is fine for windows user using OL.
>

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Andrew Hotlab | 2 Oct 2010 00:44

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Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

It would be too easy at this time to blame Stalker for a lot of bad choices on the client support side... but I
forced myself to not add any consideration until CGP 5.4 will be out, hoping that our patience in the past
months will prove to be well placed.

So, the only thing I'm allowed to write today is... "no comment!" :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:15 PM, "Elliot Wilen" <ewilen <at> mprinc.com> wrote:

> No, Mac is not fully supported. Unless I've missed something, there's still no way to see the free/busy
status of attendees when you're creating a meeting in iCal with Communigate. So you're either going to
have to do it in the web interface, or your meeting requests are going to be "a shot in the dark" where you hope
everyone on your list is free at the proposed time.
> 
> As for EWS, there's a persistent misunderstanding of its present role and functionality.
> 
> rup, if you want to shout, perhaps others should free to shout back at you for this. Please stop misleading
people. Outlook/Win cannot use EWS. The argument to implement EWS rests on compatibility with Mac
Mail/iCal, Entourage, and Outlook 2011/Mac. The Mac Mail/iCal/Address Book argument is
undercut...somewhat...by the fact that they already work with CGate, subject to a few important caveats
(freebusy, non-LDAP address book sync), and that those caveats could be addressed by CGate implementing
CalDAV and CardDAV.
> 
> --Elliot Wilen
> 
> On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Massimo Bolzoni wrote:
> 
>> Ciao,
>>

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Karl | 1 Oct 2010 19:42

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Re: CGP-Connector for Mac Outlook

IMO...

They would be far better off supporting EWS in CGP and then making their MAPI connector simply act as a MAPI to
EWS gateway for Outlook on Windows until MS drop MAPI from Outlook.

Karl

On 2010-10-01, at 11:56 AM, Communigate Forum wrote:

> god i have to try so hard not to SHOUT!!!!
> 
> why are stalker still faffing around with new 64 bit versions of mapi???
> 
> ews has to be the future, doesn't it????
> 
> i just don't understand... maybe a miracle will be unleashed in 5.4... HA HA HA..
> 
> rup
> 
> 
> On 01/10/2010 16:38, Karl wrote:
>> The Mac version of Outlook in Office 2011 does not use MAPI.
>> 
>> It connects o Exchange 2007+ using Exchange Web Services just the same as Mac OS X Mail, etc, in Snow
Leopard.  CGP does not support this even though its a documented and the future as far as MS are concerned and
not a hack like MAPI.
>> 
>> Karl
>> 
>>

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