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jdd | 2 Jul 2012 20:10
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remainder post bounce

I have a curious situation. I could fix it, so there is no hurry to 
find a better solution, but I wonder where I failed :-).

I have a domain name (culte.org) that hold a mailman mailing lists server.

Under this domain, there is a (virtual) network. The real server is 
savage-reborn.culte.org

When mailman send the messages to the lists, no problem at all, the 
return path is <list-name> <at> culte.org

but when mailman send the monthly reminder, the return path is 
<listname> <at> savage-reborn.culte.org.

some recipients do not like to have the extra "savage-reborn" part and 
refuse the mail.

I don't know where I could change this without disturbing the server's 
working.

The MTA is postfix.

I could solve the problem adding savage-reborn in culte.org zone 
definitions.

any idea?

thanks
jd
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Mark Sapiro | 3 Jul 2012 05:22
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Re: remainder post bounce

jdd wrote:
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>When mailman send the messages to the lists, no problem at all, the 
>return path is <list-name> <at> culte.org
>
>but when mailman send the monthly reminder, the return path is 
><listname> <at> savage-reborn.culte.org.
>
>some recipients do not like to have the extra "savage-reborn" part and 
>refuse the mail.
>
>I don't know where I could change this without disturbing the server's 
>working.

I'm a bit confused as to what you mean by return path. If you actually
mean the Return-Path: header, it should be <list-name>-bounces <at> ... in
the case of list posts and mailman-bounces <at> ... in the case of password
reminders.

In any case, look at the host_name attribute of the 'mailman' site list
on the list's General Options page and if it is
savage-reborn.culte.org, change it to culte.org.

If this is not the issue, I think I'd need to see the full headers from
a password reminder to understand the problem.

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jdd | 3 Jul 2012 08:26
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Re: remainder post bounce

Le 03/07/2012 05:22, Mark Sapiro a écrit :

> I'm a bit confused as to what you mean by return path. If you actually
> mean the Return-Path: header,

yes

  it should be<list-name>-bounces <at> ... in
> the case of list posts and mailman-bounces <at> ... in the case of password
> reminders.
>

yes it's

linux-31-bounces <at> culte.org for usual messages

and

mailman-bounces <at> savage-reborn.culte.org

for the reminder message

> In any case, look at the host_name attribute of the 'mailman' site list
> on the list's General Options page and if it is
> savage-reborn.culte.org, change it to culte.org.

it is culte.org

>
> If this is not the issue, I think I'd need to see the full headers from
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Mark Sapiro | 3 Jul 2012 09:08
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On 7/2/2012 11:26 PM, jdd wrote:
> Le 03/07/2012 05:22, Mark Sapiro a écrit :
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>> In any case, look at the host_name attribute of the 'mailman' site list
>> on the list's General Options page and if it is
>> savage-reborn.culte.org, change it to culte.org.
> 
> it is culte.org

There are several things in the message below that say that is not the
case and that the host_name of the 'mailman' list is savage-reborn.culte.org

> below one of the return message (less the user adress). I guess I
> misconfigured some of the internal mailman (or postfix) config file :-(.

Note that there are two messages involved here. There is the original
password reminder that was undeliverable and there is the DSN to you
notifying you of the undeliverable message

> Return-Path: <mailman-loop <at> culte.org>

The above domain is normally the result of looking up DEFAULT_URL_HOST
in VIRTUAL_HOSTS which in turn is normally DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.

> X-Original-To: jdd <at> dodin.org
> Delivered-To: jdd <at> dodin.org
> Received: from savage-reborn.culte.org
> (ram31-1-82-234-76-241.fbx.proxad.net [82.234.76.241])
>     by dodin.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA65252A
>     for <jdd <at> dodin.org>; Sun,  1 Jul 2012 05:00:29 +0200 (CEST)
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jdd | 3 Jul 2012 10:10
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Le 03/07/2012 09:08, Mark Sapiro a écrit :

> Please note I am talking about the host_name of the list named
> 'mailman', not the list named 'linux-31'

got it!!!

this list is not listed in the web sreeen, so I even forgot it existed!

of course there where the error (probably because it was the first 
configured one, when my knowledge was even lower than now :-()

thanks a lot.

Your work for mailman is an example of what can be done for the best. 
Impressive. Thanks again

jdd
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