Hi, Whenever I send mail to a mailinglist, I don't see my own mail in that mailing lists' folder. If I remove "subscribe mutt-users <at> mutt.org" from .muttrc, everything works fine. Any idea what's wrong? -- -- Jostein
* Jostein Gogstad <jostein.gogstad <at> gmail.com> [06-08-12 09:07]: > > Whenever I send mail to a mailinglist, I don't see my own mail in that mailing > lists' folder. If you are using gmail smtp, gmail has you *original* copy in the "Sent" folder/virtual-folder/label(???) and the return copy from the list appears to them to be a "copy" so it does not show. I saw the same when I first started using gmail and changed my smtp to my isp and used the gmail "from" addr and see *all* my mail, ie: list mail, this way as gmail no longer sees my list posts as duplicates. > If I remove "subscribe mutt-users <at> mutt.org" from .muttrc, everything > works fine. > > Any idea what's wrong? I don't understand this. -- -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 <at> http://linuxcounter.net
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 09:29:37AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Jostein Gogstad <jostein.gogstad <at> gmail.com> [06-08-12 09:07]: > > > > Whenever I send mail to a mailinglist, I don't see my own mail in that mailing > > lists' folder. > > If you are using gmail smtp, gmail has you *original* copy in the "Sent" > folder/virtual-folder/label(???) and the return copy from the list appears > to them to be a "copy" so it does not show. > > I saw the same when I first started using gmail and changed my smtp to my > isp and used the gmail "from" addr and see *all* my mail, ie: list mail, > this way as gmail no longer sees my list posts as duplicates. Can you please explain this again? I can't follow what you said. Thanks! Terry
* ny6p01 <at> gmail.com <ny6p01 <at> gmail.com> [06-08-12 20:19]: > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 09:29:37AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > * Jostein Gogstad <jostein.gogstad <at> gmail.com> [06-08-12 09:07]: > > > > > > Whenever I send mail to a mailinglist, I don't see my own mail in that mailing > > > lists' folder. > > > > If you are using gmail smtp, gmail has you *original* copy in the "Sent" > > folder/virtual-folder/label(???) and the return copy from the list appears > > to them to be a "copy" so it does not show. > > > > I saw the same when I first started using gmail and changed my smtp to my > > isp and used the gmail "from" addr and see *all* my mail, ie: list mail, > > this way as gmail no longer sees my list posts as duplicates. > > Can you please explain this again? I can't follow what you said. Thanks! What part? Gmail is sending your mail so it saves a copy of your sent mail in the "sent" folder/label. When the list mail returns with a copy of the mail you sent, gmail sees it as a duplicate so it does not show (you already have it in your "sent" folder). If you do not use gmail's smpt service, the first time it will see the mail is the return from the mail-list. Use your isp's provided smtp service and use your gmail addr as the "From:" address.(Continue reading)
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 09:48:20PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * ny6p01 <at> gmail.com <ny6p01 <at> gmail.com> [06-08-12 20:19]: > > On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 09:29:37AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > * Jostein Gogstad <jostein.gogstad <at> gmail.com> [06-08-12 09:07]: > > > > > > > > Whenever I send mail to a mailinglist, I don't see my own mail in that mailing > > > > lists' folder. > > > > > > If you are using gmail smtp, gmail has you *original* copy in the "Sent" > > > folder/virtual-folder/label(???) and the return copy from the list appears > > > to them to be a "copy" so it does not show. > > > > > > I saw the same when I first started using gmail and changed my smtp to my > > > isp and used the gmail "from" addr and see *all* my mail, ie: list mail, > > > this way as gmail no longer sees my list posts as duplicates. > > > > Can you please explain this again? I can't follow what you said. Thanks! > > What part? > > Gmail is sending your mail so it saves a copy of your sent mail in the > "sent" folder/label. When the list mail returns with a copy of the mail > you sent, gmail sees it as a duplicate so it does not show (you already > have it in your "sent" folder). > > If you do not use gmail's smpt service, the first time it will see the > mail is the return from the mail-list. > > Use your isp's provided smtp service and use your gmail addr as the > "From:" address.(Continue reading)
Patrick Shanahan wrote, on Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 09:29:37AM -0400: > If you are using gmail smtp, gmail has you *original* copy in the "Sent" > folder/virtual-folder/label(???) and the return copy from the list appears > to them to be a "copy" so it does not show. Right. I guess it's a cool feature if you use the Gmail interface, but as a consumer of the IMAP-service it's quite annoying. I guess if I Bcc myself, then Gmail will see the mail as originating from me, and show it in my inbox (I'm testing this with this mail). > I saw the same when I first started using gmail and changed my smtp to my > isp and used the gmail "from" addr and see *all* my mail, ie: list mail, > this way as gmail no longer sees my list posts as duplicates. Isn't there any sort of anti virus that marks such mail as spoof mail? The e-mail looks a bit less fishy if there's a link between the domain in the From address and the domain of the first MTA. That's the only reason I'm sticking to Google's SMTP. -- -- Jostein
* Jostein Gogstad <jostein.gogstad <at> gmail.com> [06-10-12 16:45]: > Patrick Shanahan wrote, on Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 09:29:37AM -0400: > > If you are using gmail smtp, gmail has you *original* copy in the "Sent" > > folder/virtual-folder/label(???) and the return copy from the list appears > > to them to be a "copy" so it does not show. > > Right. I guess it's a cool feature if you use the Gmail interface, but as a > consumer of the IMAP-service it's quite annoying. I guess if I Bcc myself, then > Gmail will see the mail as originating from me, and show it in my inbox (I'm > testing this with this mail). Unless you Bcc to a *different* address, it is still a duplicate/copy and you will have the same frustrations. > > I saw the same when I first started using gmail and changed my smtp to my > > isp and used the gmail "from" addr and see *all* my mail, ie: list mail, > > this way as gmail no longer sees my list posts as duplicates. > > Isn't there any sort of anti virus that marks such mail as spoof mail? The > e-mail looks a bit less fishy if there's a link between the domain in the From > address and the domain of the first MTA. That's the only reason I'm sticking to > Google's SMTP. Not to date :^). -- -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 <at> http://linuxcounter.net(Continue reading)
Patrick Shanahan wrote, on Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 04:53:07PM -0400: > * Jostein Gogstad <jostein.gogstad <at> gmail.com> [06-10-12 16:45]: > Unless you Bcc to a *different* address, it is still a duplicate/copy and > you will have the same frustrations. Nope, works fine. You can even do it through the Gmail web-interface. If you compose a mail to yourself, it will be placed in your inbox. Thanks for the explanation why this is necessary though. -- -- Jostein
Patrick Shanahan schrieb am 08.06.2012 um 09:29 (-0400): > > If you are using gmail smtp, gmail has you *original* copy in the > "Sent" folder/virtual-folder/label(???) and the return copy from the > list appears to them to be a "copy" so it does not show. My workaround for this helpful gmail feature is to (a) not use gmail or (b) have mutt save a copy of the message I send to the list in the list folder/mbox (using POP3, not IMAP): fcc-hook vim_use <at> googlegroups\.com =2-Vim Michael
* Michael Ludwig <milu71 <at> gmx.de> [06-14-12 04:40]: > Patrick Shanahan schrieb am 08.06.2012 um 09:29 (-0400): > > > > If you are using gmail smtp, gmail has you *original* copy in the > > "Sent" folder/virtual-folder/label(???) and the return copy from the > > list appears to them to be a "copy" so it does not show. > > My workaround for this helpful gmail feature is to (a) not use gmail or > (b) have mutt save a copy of the message I send to the list in the list > folder/mbox (using POP3, not IMAP): > > fcc-hook vim_use <at> googlegroups\.com =2-Vim But then you don't know it made it to the list ??? -- -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 <at> http://linuxcounter.net
Patrick Shanahan wrote, on Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:50:19PM -0400: > * Michael Ludwig <milu71 <at> gmx.de> [06-14-12 04:40]: > > Patrick Shanahan schrieb am 08.06.2012 um 09:29 (-0400): > > > > > My workaround for this helpful gmail feature is to (a) not use gmail or > > (b) have mutt save a copy of the message I send to the list in the list > > folder/mbox (using POP3, not IMAP): > > > > fcc-hook vim_use <at> googlegroups\.com =2-Vim > > But then you don't know it made it to the list ??? There's no way can know that since Gmail won't give you list mail that originates from you. The fcc-hook has a drawback in that the $record folder won't contain all sent mail since mutt, as far as I know, does not support multiple folders the fcc field. Until mutt gets support for multiple fcc, or preferably Gmail supports turning off this feature, I'll stick to the bcc solution. -- -- Jostein
* Jostein Gogstad <jostein.gogstad <at> gmail.com> [06-14-12 17:31]: > Patrick Shanahan wrote, on Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:50:19PM -0400: > > * Michael Ludwig <milu71 <at> gmx.de> [06-14-12 04:40]: > > > Patrick Shanahan schrieb am 08.06.2012 um 09:29 (-0400): > > > > > > > My workaround for this helpful gmail feature is to (a) not use gmail or > > > (b) have mutt save a copy of the message I send to the list in the list > > > folder/mbox (using POP3, not IMAP): > > > > > > fcc-hook vim_use <at> googlegroups\.com =2-Vim > > > > But then you don't know it made it to the list ??? > > There's no way can know that since Gmail won't give you list mail that > originates from you. which is why, as I explained, I do not use gmail smtp. > The fcc-hook has a drawback in that the $record folder won't contain all sent > mail since mutt, as far as I know, does not support multiple folders the fcc > field. :^) > Until mutt gets support for multiple fcc, or preferably Gmail supports turning > off this feature, I'll stick to the bcc solution. -- -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2(Continue reading)
Hello, On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 05:47:44PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > which is why, as I explained, I do not use gmail > smtp. IIRC, you don't use gmail's SMTP but still use gmail e-mail address in RCPT TO (while sending through your ISP's SMTP), do you? Technically this is the same as RCPT TO spoofing, and may become blocked by virtually all ISPs in the future... So the real long term solution is to not use gmail at all. -- -- With best regards, xrgtn
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:25:49AM +0300, Alexander Gattin wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 05:47:44PM -0400, Patrick > Shanahan wrote: > > which is why, as I explained, I do not use gmail > > smtp. > > IIRC, you don't use gmail's SMTP but still use > gmail e-mail address in RCPT TO (while sending > through your ISP's SMTP), do you? Looks like I wasn't completely awake when replying. I meant MAIL FROM, not RCPT TO, of course. > Technically this is the same as RCPT TO spoofing, MAIL FROM spoofing. -- -- With best regards, xrgtn
Patrick Shanahan schrieb am 14.06.2012 um 15:50 (-0400): > * Michael Ludwig <milu71 <at> gmx.de> [06-14-12 04:40]: > > > > My workaround for this helpful gmail feature is to (a) not use gmail > > or (b) have mutt save a copy of the message I send to the list in > > the list folder/mbox (using POP3, not IMAP): > > > > fcc-hook vim_use <at> googlegroups\.com =2-Vim > > But then you don't know it made it to the list ??? Correct, but consider: * The mail system is reliable enough for me, so I'm happy with just SMTP confirmation when sending. * Should I have doubts there'd be an easy way of checking via Google Groups web archives. * It's just mail going to a list. For messages going to an individual (which might be more important) instead of going to a list you don't get a more reliable confirmation either, and you can't check the recipient's inbox like the mailing list web archive. Michael
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