Japanese discussion of the Wanderlust mail/news reader for Emacs/XEmacs

Felix E. Klee | 13 Aug 2012 10:09

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Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On [EmacsWiki][1] it says:

> The most up-to-date code is to be found on [github][2].

It also says on EmacsWiki:

> Best way to get the latest wanderlust and all its dependencies
> is by installing it through el-get, which is an elisp package
> manager, that downloads and installs all dependencies
> automatically.

However, in the README on github, it says:

> Wanderlust Official web page is available at:
>
> http://www.gohome.org/wl/.
>
> You can get latest Wanderlust version from there.

Is also says in the README on github:

> Development of Wanderlust uses CVS. So latest developing
> version is available at CVS.

I am confused: Four (4) different sources!

So:

  * Where do I get the latest usable version?

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Herbert J. Skuhra | 13 Aug 2012 12:00

Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:09:01 +0200
"Felix E. Klee" <felix.klee <at> inka.de> wrote:

> So:
> 
>   * Where do I get the latest usable version?
> 
>     (I assume that official stable is still 2.14.0(Africa), which
>     probably is quite outdated)

Yeah, don't use it, if you use Emacs >= 23.

>   * In which repository is development happening?
>
>   * Where does `el-get` get Wanderlust from.

At least the last question you can answer yourself by looking at the
recipes file:

https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust/

But there is (at least) also:

https://github.com/ikazuhiro/wanderlust
https://github.com/dmj/wanderlust
http://git.chise.org/git/elisp/wanderlust.git

And a gnutls patch has been published on this list that hasn't been
commited for no obvious reason (at least to me).

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Felix E. Klee | 13 Aug 2012 12:34

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra <hskuhra <at> eumx.net>
wrote:
> But there is (at least) also:
> [...]

So perhaps it's better to write on EmacsWiki:

As of August 2012, there is no central repository anymore. As
installation source, pick one of:

  * 2.14.0(Africa) from http://www.gohome.org/wl/

    legacy version (for EMACS < 23)

  * CVS repository:

    *Formerly* the central repository, but not maintained as that
    anymore.

  * https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust:

    According to the README: "Unofficial Wanderlust Development
    Repository"

    Redirects to the CVS repository!

  * `el-get` wanderlust:

    Retrieves repository from: https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust

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Richard Lewis | 14 Aug 2012 15:30

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

Felix,

Thanks very much for your concern over the public image of Wanderlust;
I think it's important that we take steps to avoid this confusion in
future.

At Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:34:44 +0200,
Felix E. Klee wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra <hskuhra <at> eumx.net>
> wrote:
> > But there is (at least) also:
> > [...]
> 
> So perhaps it's better to write on EmacsWiki:
> 
> As of August 2012, there is no central repository anymore. As
> installation source, pick one of:
> 
>   * 2.14.0(Africa) from http://www.gohome.org/wl/
> 
>     legacy version (for EMACS < 23)
> 
>   * CVS repository:
> 
>     *Formerly* the central repository, but not maintained as that
>     anymore.
> 
>   * https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust:
>

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Felix E. Klee | 17 Aug 2012 09:47

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Richard Lewis
<richardlewis <at> fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Make clear that by "redirects" you mean that the README file describes
> the CVS repository as the main installation source (otherwise it
> sounds a little like some sort of HTTP 301 magic). But I think we
> should rectify this:

Why isn't the CVS repository simply removed?

Also, the README contains outdated mailing list addresses:

  wl <at> lists.airs.net
  wl-en <at> lists.airs.net

This all is confusing and - I believe - hampers acceptance and further
development of Wanderlust.

Randy Bush | 17 Aug 2012 10:09

Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

> Why isn't the CVS repository simply removed?

because not all of us are penguinistas or git users.

randy

Felix E. Klee | 17 Aug 2012 10:20

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Randy Bush <randy <at> psg.com> wrote:
> because not all of us are penguinistas or git users.

What kind of argument is that? Not all penguinistas are CVS fanbois
either.

Anyway, to answer my own question, the CVS repository *is dead*:

    http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.wanderlust.general/4911

I just double checked:

    $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous <at> cvs.m17n.org:/cvs/root login
    Logging in to :pserver:anonymous <at> cvs.m17n.org:2401/cvs/root
    CVS password:
    cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.m17n.org(163.220.2.65):2401
    failed: Connection refused

As far as I can tell, this makes the wanderlust/wanderlust repository on
Github [1] the main Wanderlust repository.

Tanaka Akira (in CC), what is your opinion?

[1]: https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust

Felix E. Klee | 17 Aug 2012 10:20

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Randy Bush <randy <at> psg.com> wrote:
> because not all of us are penguinistas or git users.

What kind of argument is that? Not all penguinistas are CVS fanbois
either.

Anyway, to answer my own question, the CVS repository *is dead*:

    http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.wanderlust.general/4911

I just double checked:

    $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous <at> cvs.m17n.org:/cvs/root login
    Logging in to :pserver:anonymous <at> cvs.m17n.org:2401/cvs/root
    CVS password:
    cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.m17n.org(163.220.2.65):2401
    failed: Connection refused

As far as I can tell, this makes the wanderlust/wanderlust repository on
Github [1] the main Wanderlust repository.

Tanaka Akira (in CC), what is your opinion?

[1]: https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust

Andreas Davour | 17 Aug 2012 10:24

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

At Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:09:55 +0900,
Randy Bush wrote:
> 
> > Why isn't the CVS repository simply removed?
> 
> because not all of us are penguinistas or git users.

Also, all pointers from the old world has to point to the new one. The fact that the address to this list is a
well guarded secret is kind of telling. 

/andreas

Andreas Davour | 17 Aug 2012 10:24

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

At Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:09:55 +0900,
Randy Bush wrote:
> 
> > Why isn't the CVS repository simply removed?
> 
> because not all of us are penguinistas or git users.

Also, all pointers from the old world has to point to the new one. The fact that the address to this list is a
well guarded secret is kind of telling. 

/andreas

Randy Bush | 17 Aug 2012 10:09

Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

> Why isn't the CVS repository simply removed?

because not all of us are penguinistas or git users.

randy

Felix E. Klee | 17 Aug 2012 09:47

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Richard Lewis
<richardlewis <at> fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Make clear that by "redirects" you mean that the README file describes
> the CVS repository as the main installation source (otherwise it
> sounds a little like some sort of HTTP 301 magic). But I think we
> should rectify this:

Why isn't the CVS repository simply removed?

Also, the README contains outdated mailing list addresses:

  wl <at> lists.airs.net
  wl-en <at> lists.airs.net

This all is confusing and - I believe - hampers acceptance and further
development of Wanderlust.

Felix E. Klee | 17 Aug 2012 10:21

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Richard Lewis
<richardlewis <at> fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Please go ahead and make this change.

Still waiting for clarification, and perhaps for cleanup of structures.

Felix E. Klee | 17 Aug 2012 10:21

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Richard Lewis
<richardlewis <at> fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Please go ahead and make this change.

Still waiting for clarification, and perhaps for cleanup of structures.

Richard Lewis | 14 Aug 2012 15:30

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

Felix,

Thanks very much for your concern over the public image of Wanderlust;
I think it's important that we take steps to avoid this confusion in
future.

At Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:34:44 +0200,
Felix E. Klee wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra <hskuhra <at> eumx.net>
> wrote:
> > But there is (at least) also:
> > [...]
> 
> So perhaps it's better to write on EmacsWiki:
> 
> As of August 2012, there is no central repository anymore. As
> installation source, pick one of:
> 
>   * 2.14.0(Africa) from http://www.gohome.org/wl/
> 
>     legacy version (for EMACS < 23)
> 
>   * CVS repository:
> 
>     *Formerly* the central repository, but not maintained as that
>     anymore.
> 
>   * https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust:
>

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Felix E. Klee | 13 Aug 2012 12:34

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Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra <hskuhra <at> eumx.net>
wrote:
> But there is (at least) also:
> [...]

So perhaps it's better to write on EmacsWiki:

As of August 2012, there is no central repository anymore. As
installation source, pick one of:

  * 2.14.0(Africa) from http://www.gohome.org/wl/

    legacy version (for EMACS < 23)

  * CVS repository:

    *Formerly* the central repository, but not maintained as that
    anymore.

  * https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust:

    According to the README: "Unofficial Wanderlust Development
    Repository"

    Redirects to the CVS repository!

  * `el-get` wanderlust:

    Retrieves repository from: https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust

(Continue reading)

Herbert J. Skuhra | 13 Aug 2012 12:00

Re: Most up-to-date version of Wanderlust?

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:09:01 +0200
"Felix E. Klee" <felix.klee <at> inka.de> wrote:

> So:
> 
>   * Where do I get the latest usable version?
> 
>     (I assume that official stable is still 2.14.0(Africa), which
>     probably is quite outdated)

Yeah, don't use it, if you use Emacs >= 23.

>   * In which repository is development happening?
>
>   * Where does `el-get` get Wanderlust from.

At least the last question you can answer yourself by looking at the
recipes file:

https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust/

But there is (at least) also:

https://github.com/ikazuhiro/wanderlust
https://github.com/dmj/wanderlust
http://git.chise.org/git/elisp/wanderlust.git

And a gnutls patch has been published on this list that hasn't been
commited for no obvious reason (at least to me).

(Continue reading)

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