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J.P.Jarolim | 2 Jan 2004 11:33
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Obvious question?

Hi all ;-)

One obvious stupid question (but i still can't get a clue ;-) :
I installed zoe as proxy, created one account which retreives my mail and
forwards my mail to the correct mail-server (pop and smtp entries, forward
to server checked) Everything works fine - Zoe retrieves my mails, sends my
mails through and archive all messages (in and out).

The only "problem" is, that zoe sends me back my sent mails (or puts them
into my pop queue):
<sample flow>
Client sends mail >> Zoe gets mail >> Zoe sends it to the receipient _and_
back to client >> Client retrieves his sent mail
</sample flow>
Now i have every sent mail in my "sent mails" folder _and_ in my inbox.

Should i create a second mail-account with just an outgoing smtp-entry and
no pop-settings to avoid this?
Or is there a better solution?

thanks in advance,

JP

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Zoe | 2 Jan 2004 14:49
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Re: Obvious question?

Hi J.P.,

On Jan 02, 2004, at 11:33, J.P.Jarolim wrote:

> One obvious stupid question (but i still can't get a clue ;-) :

Oh, no... not again ;)

> I installed zoe as proxy, created one account which retreives my mail 
> and
> forwards my mail to the correct mail-server (pop and smtp entries, 
> forward
> to server checked) Everything works fine - Zoe retrieves my mails, 
> sends my
> mails through and archive all messages (in and out).
>
> The only "problem" is, that zoe sends me back my sent mails (or puts 
> them
> into my pop queue):
> <sample flow>
> Client sends mail >> Zoe gets mail >> Zoe sends it to the receipient 
> _and_
> back to client >> Client retrieves his sent mail
> </sample flow>
> Now i have every sent mail in my "sent mails" folder _and_ in my inbox.

Yes. This is a feature :) Your emails are part of your email flow. They 
are not artificially segregated against... Think about how a 
traditional mailing list works: you usually receive the messages you 
send to the list...
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J.P.Jarolim | 2 Jan 2004 15:15
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Re: Obvious question?

Hi R. ;-)

Zoe <zoe_info <at> mac.com> wrote:

>> One obvious stupid question (but i still can't get a clue ;-) :
> Oh, no... not again ;)

lol - thats life - the easier the software - the dumber the users ;-)

> Yes. This is a feature :) Your emails are part of your email flow.
> They are not artificially segregated against... Think about how a
> traditional mailing list works: you usually receive the messages you
> send to the list...

I didn't recognized zoe as mailing list - just as mailserver, passing mail
in one direction at a time - but if you say ;-)
One of the issues of this is the import of approx. 1000 Mails or more into
zoe by mailing it - and retrieving it 2 times :-|

> Well... it's up to you how you want to get organized... creating a
> different identity just to avoid getting your sent mail is slightly
> heavy handed at first glance... on the other hand... and if for some
> reasons it bother you to have your own email part of your incoming
> messages... I'm confident your native email client could very easily
> filter them out to a different folder or something like that.

I'll try that way since i do have that sended email already in my outbox
(It's just my way of order ;-)

I think that behaviour is very cool if zoe gets used as some sort of
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D. R. Evans | 6 Jan 2004 21:31

Re: Re: Obvious question?


J.P.Jarolim wrote:

| I think that behaviour is very cool if zoe gets used as some sort of
| multi-user-knowledge-ware, where everybody contributes to a central
| knowledge basis - But i don't get my mail back from my mail-server (ok -
| except the recipient isn't reachable).
| Would be funny, if that behaviour could be turned on or off in preferences -
| maybe i'll take a look at the sources - may i?
|
|

I found this a rather puzzling design decision too, for exctly the same
reason: no other SMTP server I've ever used will end up returning my mail to
me; so, like you, all my filters, accounts, etc. are set up with that
expectation in mind.

I was trying to figure out how I'm going to go about changing all that
(without much success), but now I think I'll wait and see if you can indeed
make this behaviour configurable. In the meantime, I'll just keep pressing
the "Delete" button :-(

~  Doc
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Zoe | 2 Jan 2004 15:30
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Re: Re: Obvious question?

Hi J.P.,

On Jan 02, 2004, at 15:15, J.P.Jarolim wrote:

> I didn't recognized zoe as mailing list - just as mailserver, passing 
> mail
> in one direction at a time - but if you say ;-)
> One of the issues of this is the import of approx. 1000 Mails or more 
> into
> zoe by mailing it - and retrieving it 2 times :-|

Make sure to setup your email client to "leave the messages on the 
server". This should force your client to keep track of what emails it 
has already downloaded from ZOE's POP server.

You can also limit how many messages ZOE returns through POP. Check 
SZPOPSession's fetch.limit property.

> I'll try that way since i do have that sended email already in my 
> outbox
> (It's just my way of order ;-)
>
> I think that behaviour is very cool if zoe gets used as some sort of
> multi-user-knowledge-ware, where everybody contributes to a central
> knowledge basis - But i don't get my mail back from my mail-server (ok 
> -
> except the recipient isn't reachable).
> Would be funny, if that behaviour could be turned on or off in 
> preferences -
> maybe i'll take a look at the sources - may i?
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