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lwiechec2 | 22 Mar 2005 13:47
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Re: ZOE as "external" mail archive?

On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 11:16:51AM +0100, Zoe wrote:
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> On Mar 22, 2005, at 10:12, lwiechec2 <at> o2.pl wrote:
> 
> >So here's my question: after authentication (which works fine), what  
> >is the
> >sender address does ZOE's SMTP server expect ? I've tried several  
> >ones, like
> ><myname> <at> localhost and my full external mail account (the one I'm  
> >fetching
> >mail
> >from) -- I'm still getting '501 Invalid sender address'.
> 
> Your SMTP MAIL address is not formatted properly.
> 
> Beside being syntactically correct, the SMTP envelope address should  
> match one of the email address you have defined in ZOË.
> 
> To summarize:
> 
> (1) THe SMTP authentication should reflect the identity and signature  
> (username and password) as defined in ZOË. This implies that  
> authentication must be enabled in ZOË itself.
> 
> (2) The SMTP MAIL envelope address should match one of the email  
> address you have defined in ZOË. This is usually done for you by your  
> email client. In the case of something like procmail or such, you need  
> to configure it yourself.

Great, thanks R for the help, now it works all right. I still need to
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lwiechec2 | 22 Mar 2005 10:12
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Re: ZOE as "external" mail archive?

Dear ZOErs,

I have a question on authentication mechianisms used when using ZOE's
built-in
SMTP server (usually listening on port 10025). Right now I'm trying to fetch
all
my mail to ZOE in more controlled manner that by using ZOE's account manager
--
normally, ZOE fetches mail from my account and leave the messages on server
(this is the setting from account manager). Now, once a day I'd like to
force a
mail flush, so that all the messages are deleted from the server.

Such setup would require manually changing ZOE's settings so I thought about
different approach: I'd like to use fetchmail to have more control when and
how
I'd like to get my mail and msmtp (msmtp.sourceforge.net) to be able to
redirect
it to other port than standard 25 (I thought that fetchmail can do it but,
apparently, you cannot specify the port, you can only specify different
MTA).

Everything works fine up to the moment when fetched mail is piped to ZOE's
SMTP
server -- it seems that it does not accept all sender addresses.

So here's my question: after authentication (which works fine), what is the
sender address does ZOE's SMTP server expect ? I've tried several ones, like
<myname> <at> localhost and my full external mail account (the one I'm fetching
mail
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Zoe | 22 Mar 2005 11:33
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Re: ZOE as "external" mail archive?


On Mar 22, 2005, at 10:12, lwiechec2 <at> o2.pl wrote:

> I have a question on authentication mechianisms used when using ZOE's
> built-in SMTP server (usually listening on port 10025).

As an aside, you can always change any of the port numbers used by ZOË.

Check the wiki for details:

http://zoe.omara.ca/SystemConfiguration/ConfigFiles

Also, if you have TLS enabled, most of the services can handle 
STARTTLS. In other words, switch to an encrypted channel on demand. If 
your email client support this (e.g. "Use Secure Socket Layer" in 
Mail.app or "Use secure connection" in Thunderbird) you can access ZOË 
built-in POP3 and SMTP server over TLS.

Cheers,

R.

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Zoe | 22 Mar 2005 11:16
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Re: ZOE as "external" mail archive?


On Mar 22, 2005, at 10:12, lwiechec2 <at> o2.pl wrote:

> So here's my question: after authentication (which works fine), what  
> is the
> sender address does ZOE's SMTP server expect ? I've tried several  
> ones, like
> <myname> <at> localhost and my full external mail account (the one I'm  
> fetching
> mail
> from) -- I'm still getting '501 Invalid sender address'.

Your SMTP MAIL address is not formatted properly.

Beside being syntactically correct, the SMTP envelope address should  
match one of the email address you have defined in ZOË.

To summarize:

(1) THe SMTP authentication should reflect the identity and signature  
(username and password) as defined in ZOË. This implies that  
authentication must be enabled in ZOË itself.

(2) The SMTP MAIL envelope address should match one of the email  
address you have defined in ZOË. This is usually done for you by your  
email client. In the case of something like procmail or such, you need  
to configure it yourself.

Here are the relevant chunk of code dealing with this circus:
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Michael A. King | 15 Mar 2005 17:45

RE: ZOE as "external" mail archive?


ZOE is great for this purpose!  I have built an email gateway server for
our company that saves a copy of every email that flows over it (we have
to save everything in order to meet SEC compliance standards).  I then
use ZOE to index that mailbox.  It give our firm's principals the
interface they need to randomly review email or search for specific
items (again per SEC regulations) and will hopefully impress any SEC
official that audits our firm.  If we show the SEC that we are serious
about compliance issues, they will have less of a reason to go digging
around looking for something wrong.

I'm looking forward to stress testing the limits of ZOE's indexing and
storage.  I have been capturing email since 12/1/04 and have 98K (2.7GB
worth) messages so far.  I need to get serious about implementing some
safe UCE controls at the email gateway.

Thanks,

Mike

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Zoe | 15 Mar 2005 23:53
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On Mar 15, 2005, at 17:45, Michael A. King wrote:

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> ZOE is great for this purpose!  I have built an email gateway server 
> for
> our company that saves a copy of every email that flows over it (we 
> have
> to save everything in order to meet SEC compliance standards).  I then
> use ZOE to index that mailbox.  It give our firm's principals the
> interface they need to randomly review email or search for specific
> items (again per SEC regulations) and will hopefully impress any SEC
> official that audits our firm.  If we show the SEC that we are serious
> about compliance issues, they will have less of a reason to go digging
> around looking for something wrong.

Great use of ZOË :)

Several companies are using ZOË as either searchable archiving system 
(down to microfilm integration), company and/or departmental 
"knowledge" system or even document management. ZOË, as a platform, is 
quite flexible in that respect.

There is a "pro" version of ZOË  which provide such corporate futures 
and more, like transparent integration with central IT infrastructures, 
multi-user managements, ACL, etc:

http://www.zoeprofessional.com/taketour.html

> I'm looking forward to stress testing the limits of ZOE's indexing and
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Lukasz Wiechec | 15 Mar 2005 22:43
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 10:45:27AM -0600, Michael A. King wrote:
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> ZOE is great for this purpose!  I have built an email gateway server for
> our company that saves a copy of every email that flows over it (we have
> to save everything in order to meet SEC compliance standards).  I then
> use ZOE to index that mailbox.  It give our firm's principals the
> interface they need to randomly review email or search for specific
> items (again per SEC regulations) and will hopefully impress any SEC
> official that audits our firm.  If we show the SEC that we are serious
> about compliance issues, they will have less of a reason to go digging
> around looking for something wrong.
> 
> I'm looking forward to stress testing the limits of ZOE's indexing and
> storage.  I have been capturing email since 12/1/04 and have 98K (2.7GB
> worth) messages so far.  I need to get serious about implementing some
> safe UCE controls at the email gateway.

Great to hear that not only me got such idea! but you have touched an important
question: how does ZOE scale? has anybody done any tests, how many messages can
ZOE handle (considering memory issues etc)?

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L.
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Zoe | 15 Mar 2005 23:41
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On Mar 15, 2005, at 22:43, Lukasz Wiechec wrote:

> Great to hear that not only me got such idea! but you have touched an 
> important
> question: how does ZOE scale?

Well enough.

> has anybody done any tests,

Yes.

>  how many messages can
> ZOE handle (considering memory issues etc)?

More than any user is likely to have.

And if you reach one limit or another (e.g. Lucene indices can "only" 
hold approximately 4 billions documents), you can always divide and 
conquer.

Think of ZOË as a processing engine. If one engine is not enough, use 
more of them.

R.

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