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Victor Danilchenko | 17 Feb 2012 03:49

What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

	I am about to upgrade my Jabber server (Ubuntu Hardy => Lucid), and In 
doing preliminary checks, I suddenly realized that Bandersnatch has 
pretty much vanished from, the face of the earth! it's not in the Ubuntu 
repositories, old links lead to no-longer-extant servers, old 
repositories don't have it... it feels almost orwellian or something.

	Does anyone know what happened to Bandersnatch? I did manage to track 
down a Bandersnatch 0.4.1 repository, at

http://www2.frugalware.org/mirror/old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bandersnatch/ 
, but now i am really wondering what happened. Did it get renamed? Did 
something replace it? Did it suddenly turn out to be a creation of 
microsoft satan or something?

	I am concerned now. Bandersnatch is an integral part of our product, 
but if it can't be made to work with Jabber 14 1.6, we are SOL.

	Can anyone clue me in? Please?..

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Ludovic BOCQUET | 17 Feb 2012 06:59

Re: What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

Le 17/02/2012 03:49, Victor Danilchenko a écrit :
>     I am about to upgrade my Jabber server (Ubuntu Hardy => Lucid),
> and In doing preliminary checks, I suddenly realized that Bandersnatch
> has pretty much vanished from, the face of the earth! it's not in the
> Ubuntu repositories, old links lead to no-longer-extant servers, old
> repositories don't have it... it feels almost orwellian or something.
>
>     Does anyone know what happened to Bandersnatch? I did manage to
> track down a Bandersnatch 0.4.1 repository, at
> http://www2.frugalware.org/mirror/old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bandersnatch/
> , but now i am really wondering what happened. Did it get renamed? Did
> something replace it? Did it suddenly turn out to be a creation of
> microsoft satan or something?
>
>     I am concerned now. Bandersnatch is an integral part of our
> product, but if it can't be made to work with Jabber 14 1.6, we are SOL.
>
http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bandersnatch.html

Maybe you can try an another XMPP server like ejabberd, Prosody,
Openfire, Tigase, ...
>     Can anyone clue me in? Please?..
>
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Victor Danilchenko | 17 Feb 2012 13:24

Re: What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

On 2/17/12 12:59 AM, Ludovic BOCQUET wrote:

> Maybe you can try an another XMPP server like ejabberd, Prosody,
> Openfire, Tigase, ...

	I was actually considering that. However, our jabber server MUST 
perform 2 critical functions -- MUC and complete conversation logging. I 
checked out both ejabberd and Jabber 2 before, and I know both support 
MUC, but AFAIK Bandersnatch is the only package that does complete 
logging of conversations -- and it's the reliance on apparently 
no-longer-supported Bandersnatch that's the stumbling block for us.

	Does any other jabber server package allow you to log all conversation 
content, a-la bandersnatch, do you know? If so, we would gladly look 
into migration.

	many thanks in advance.
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Jesse Thompson | 17 Feb 2012 15:44
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Re: What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

On 2/17/12 6:24 AM, Victor Danilchenko wrote:
> On 2/17/12 12:59 AM, Ludovic BOCQUET wrote:
>
>> Maybe you can try an another XMPP server like ejabberd, Prosody,
>> Openfire, Tigase, ...
>
> I was actually considering that. However, our jabber server MUST perform
> 2 critical functions -- MUC and complete conversation logging. I checked
> out both ejabberd and Jabber 2 before, and I know both support MUC, but
> AFAIK Bandersnatch is the only package that does complete logging of
> conversations -- and it's the reliance on apparently no-longer-supported
> Bandersnatch that's the stumbling block for us.
>
> Does any other jabber server package allow you to log all conversation
> content, a-la bandersnatch, do you know? If so, we would gladly look
> into migration.

I haven't used it, but there is that sort of ejabberd module.

http://www.ejabberd.im/mod_logdb

If that's not exactly what you need, there are a bunch more modules that 
you can look into

http://www.ejabberd.im/contributions

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Victor Danilchenko | 17 Feb 2012 15:52

Re: What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

On 2/17/12 9:44 AM, Jesse Thompson wrote:
> On 2/17/12 6:24 AM, Victor Danilchenko wrote:
>> On 2/17/12 12:59 AM, Ludovic BOCQUET wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe you can try an another XMPP server like ejabberd, Prosody,
>>> Openfire, Tigase, ...
>>
>> I was actually considering that. However, our jabber server MUST perform
>> 2 critical functions -- MUC and complete conversation logging. I checked
>> out both ejabberd and Jabber 2 before, and I know both support MUC, but
>> AFAIK Bandersnatch is the only package that does complete logging of
>> conversations -- and it's the reliance on apparently no-longer-supported
>> Bandersnatch that's the stumbling block for us.
>>
>> Does any other jabber server package allow you to log all conversation
>> content, a-la bandersnatch, do you know? If so, we would gladly look
>> into migration.
>
> I haven't used it, but there is that sort of ejabberd module.
>
> http://www.ejabberd.im/mod_logdb

	Thanks, that looks like exactly the sort of thing which would work for 
us if I can't get Bandersnatch running (they also have a log-to-text 
module, which we should be able to work with if the above isn't 
compatible with ejabberd 2).

	Now I just need to figure out why my client can't authenticate with the 
server...
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Tomasz Sterna | 17 Feb 2012 16:37
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Re: What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

Dnia 2012-02-17, pią o godzinie 07:24 -0500, Victor Danilchenko pisze:
> Does any other jabber server package allow you to log all conversation
> content, a-la bandersnatch, do you know? 

As of 2012-02-12 [1] jabberd2 allows this.
Without any additional software.

[1] https://github.com/Jabberd2/jabberd2/commit/cc284d2d65

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Tomasz Sterna | 17 Feb 2012 11:35
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Re: What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

Dnia 2012-02-16, czw o godzinie 21:49 -0500, Victor Danilchenko pisze:
> Does anyone know what happened to Bandersnatch?

https://www.funkypenguin.co.nz/project/bandersnatch/

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Victor Danilchenko | 17 Feb 2012 13:20

Re: What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

	Aha! Google kept sending me to a server in .za domain, which was gone 
from the net. Thanks.

	Any idea why it vanished from the Ubuntu repositories?

On 2/17/12 5:35 AM, Tomasz Sterna wrote:
> Dnia 2012-02-16, czw o godzinie 21:49 -0500, Victor Danilchenko pisze:
>> Does anyone know what happened to Bandersnatch?
>
> https://www.funkypenguin.co.nz/project/bandersnatch/

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Victor Danilchenko | 17 Feb 2012 14:22

Re: What happened to Bandersnatch, the Jabber conversation logging package?

	Well, this is getting surreal.

	So the file link at the URL you send doesn't work -- the file doesn't 
exist. I went to the Wayback Machine, it didn't have this file. I 
scanned for the same file from the old homepage, 
http://www.funkypenguin.co.za/ ; Wayback machine had it, but it was a 
corrupt archive. I searched for the 0.4.RC1 archive by name 
(bandersnatch-0.4.RC1.tar.gz), and turned it up in the BSD ports repository.

	I finally got it from 
http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/local-distfiles/garga/jabber/bandersnatch-0.4.RC1.tar.gz

	This is seriously weird. And it looks to me like Bandersnatch is a 
long-dead project, so to be able to run our stuff in the future, we will 
probably need some alternative way of logging all Jabber conversations.

	Anyway, thanks for the help. Looks like I will be rebuilding it from 
source. Shouldn't be hard to make it work manually instead of a .deb.

On 2/17/12 7:20 AM, Victor Danilchenko wrote:
> Aha! Google kept sending me to a server in .za domain, which was gone
> from the net. Thanks.
>
> Any idea why it vanished from the Ubuntu repositories?
>
> On 2/17/12 5:35 AM, Tomasz Sterna wrote:
>> Dnia 2012-02-16, czw o godzinie 21:49 -0500, Victor Danilchenko pisze:
>>> Does anyone know what happened to Bandersnatch?
>>
>> https://www.funkypenguin.co.nz/project/bandersnatch/
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