General discussion of the OpenNIC Project root

Chris Knight | 8 Jul 2005 06:19

Re: status query

On 7/7/05, Ammon Lauritzen <ammon <at> simud.org> wrote:

That being the case then, I do believe I need to get involved in a
somewhat major way.

Mind if I inquire as to your motivation? I'm always curious when someone jumps in out of the blue and makes a statement like this. Happens every now and then.

Are there any regularly scheduled online meetings or status reports?

No. As of yet we have not needed such. Is there a reason to have regularly scheduled online meetings?

Any recent press?

No. This is something we could use.

Any recent campaigns for membership?

No. What we need more than membership is support/recognition from ISPs. We can have a million members, but it Comcast refuses to recognize us and continues to block port 53 we can't get more users. (Users are not necessarily memebers, they just need at some point or another to resolve a .geek address.)

How many servers do we have?

Check the website. It contains a list of the active servers.

How many have we lost that are still on the lists?

Do an audit and get back to us.

What is the general current activity level?

Pretty quiet. The list flares up when a new and excited member joins who wants to change everything, and it flares up when something is broken. It's one of those systems where quiet means that everything is going smooth. Low growth, but smooth. Without major ISP support we will always be a niche/geek service.

Does anyone know?

Obviously, yes.

-Chris

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tabris | 12 Jul 2005 16:30

Re: status query

On Friday 08 July 2005 12:19 am, Chris Knight wrote:
> On 7/7/05, Ammon Lauritzen <ammon <at> simud.org> wrote:
> > That being the case then, I do believe I need to get involved in a
> > somewhat major way.
>
> Mind if I inquire as to your motivation? I'm always curious when
> someone jumps in out of the blue and makes a statement like this.
> Happens every now and then.
>
>
> Are there any regularly scheduled online meetings or status reports?
>
>
> No. As of yet we have not needed such. Is there a reason to have
> regularly scheduled online meetings?
>
>
> Any recent press?
	The most recent 'press' I saw was a K5 article (got voted down) that 
referenced the most recent scoop.opennic.glue post. Unfortunately, that 
was rather negative press.

	Slashdot has done a couple articles over the years, but it's largely a 
big 'nobody cares'. Most recently, there have been minor notes/comments 
on the whole ICANN/Europe thing, but it seems that right now, OpenNIC 
is too geeky for anybody to do anything with it. Most people don't run 
their own DNS servers; those who do, do it for local-zones; the rest, 
who don't even run a DNS server on their own, get their DNS server-list 
by PPPoE, PPP, or DHCP. Even if a minor or major ISP were to start 
using our alternate root, nobody would know.

>

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Vlad | 13 Jul 2005 00:54

Re: status query

        To be fair, when I "got back in" on this thing almost a year
ago, I thought that OpenNIC had died. The lack of publicity... lack of
documentation... the appalling web design... it still has that whole
"bored geek with an hour to kill" feeling.

        I'm not trying to flame here. Honestly. This is merely my
impressions. When I discovered OpenNIC back in college and all, it was
oh so neat. I grabbed a domain, played with DNS and it, and learned a
lot. Then I went and worked for a large telecom and really got to know
public DNS infrastructure, so I can't quite say much that's nice about
OpenNIC.

        Nor do I really have time to help nowadays. It sucks.

On 7/12/05, tabris <tabris <at> tabris.net> wrote:
> On Friday 08 July 2005 12:19 am, Chris Knight wrote:
> > On 7/7/05, Ammon Lauritzen <ammon <at> simud.org> wrote:
> > > That being the case then, I do believe I need to get involved in a
> > > somewhat major way.
> >
> > Mind if I inquire as to your motivation? I'm always curious when
> > someone jumps in out of the blue and makes a statement like this.
> > Happens every now and then.
> >
> >
> > Are there any regularly scheduled online meetings or status reports?
> >
> >
> > No. As of yet we have not needed such. Is there a reason to have
> > regularly scheduled online meetings?
> >
> >
> > Any recent press?
>         The most recent 'press' I saw was a K5 article (got voted down) that
> referenced the most recent scoop.opennic.glue post. Unfortunately, that
> was rather negative press.
> 
>         Slashdot has done a couple articles over the years, but it's largely a
> big 'nobody cares'. Most recently, there have been minor notes/comments
> on the whole ICANN/Europe thing, but it seems that right now, OpenNIC
> is too geeky for anybody to do anything with it. Most people don't run
> their own DNS servers; those who do, do it for local-zones; the rest,
> who don't even run a DNS server on their own, get their DNS server-list
> by PPPoE, PPP, or DHCP. Even if a minor or major ISP were to start
> using our alternate root, nobody would know.
> 
> 
> >
> 
> --
> Don't read everything you believe.
> 
> 
> 

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Peter Dambier | 8 Jul 2005 12:25

Re: status query

Chris Knight wrote:
> 
> 
> On 7/7/05, *Ammon Lauritzen* <ammon <at> simud.org <mailto:ammon <at> simud.org>> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>     That being the case then, I do believe I need to get involved in a
>     somewhat major way.
> 
> 
> Mind if I inquire as to your motivation?  I'm always curious when 
> someone jumps in out of the blue and makes a statement like this.  
> Happens every now and then.
> 
>  
> 
>     Are there any regularly scheduled online meetings or status reports? 
> 
> 
> No.  As of yet we have not needed such.  Is there a reason to have 
> regularly scheduled online meetings? 
> 
>  
> 
>     Any recent press?
> 
> 
> No.  This is something we could use.
>  
> 
>     Any recent campaigns for membership? 
> 
> 
> No.  What we need more than membership is support/recognition from 
> ISPs.  We can have a million members, but it Comcast refuses to 
> recognize us and continues to block port 53 we can't get more users.  
> (Users are not necessarily memebers, they just need at some point or 
> another to resolve a .geek address.)
>  
> 
>     How many servers do we have? 
> 
> 
> Check the website.  It contains a list of the active servers.
>  
> 
>     How many have we lost that are still on the lists? 
> 
> 
> Do an audit and get back to us.
> 
>  
> 
>     What is the general current activity level? 
> 
> 
> Pretty quiet.  The list flares up when a new and excited member joins 
> who wants to change everything, and it flares up when something is 
> broken.  It's one of those systems where quiet means that everything is 
> going smooth.  Low growth, but smooth.  Without major ISP support we 
> will always be a niche/geek service.
>  
> 
>     Does anyone know? 
> 
> 
> Obviously, yes.

One of the reasons there is so little activity is the mail-blocker.

It took me several tries and about half a years time to get the list
server to accept my email address. I guess a lot of other europeans
gave up. My normal email address "peter <at> peter-dambier.de" does not
get through. This one on a dynamic ip does.

When '.eu' suddenly appeared on the ICANN servers I had no chance
to alarm anybody on this list. I was successful with several others.

Regards,
Peter and Karin Dambier
Public-Root

>  
> 
> -Chris

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Ammon Lauritzen | 8 Jul 2005 09:57

Re: status query

Chris Knight wrote:
> Mind if I inquire as to your motivation?  I'm always curious when
> someone jumps in out of the blue and makes a statement like this. 
> Happens every now and then.

Of course ;) I'd be kind of interested in figuring out my exact
motivation as well. I encountered news of the project while looking for
information on the EU patent issue. I'm not exactly sure what site led
me to change my line of investigation, but I was intrigued.

I have been involved with unix for almost 10 years now, have been
running servers for the last half of that time. I've only been handling
my own DNS for the past two or so, had problems getting my IP registered
and such and gave up early on.

My motivation... I guess that I've kind of always been looking for an
open source type project to get involved in that would actually make the
world a better place (as opposed to my major project which will just
make it more fun). I dislike the monopoly of the current system and the
slowness at which is progresses - only to result in .biz, .info, and .xxx.

Do I expect that alternative name spaces will take over? Of course not,
too many people are apathetic about the whole thing just so long as they
can get the interweb on their computers.

Do I expect that ISP's can be convinced to join the bandwagon? Only if
they have a reason to - heavy customer pressures. We need people
producing cool content that is only/best accessed through one of our TLD's.

> No.  As of yet we have not needed such.  Is there a reason to have
> regularly scheduled online meetings? 

It's just my experience that even if nothing really major is going on,
regular get togethers keep the activity and interest levels up. They
encourage new people to show up, give them something to do, etc...

> No.  What we need more than membership is support/recognition from
> ISPs.  We can have a million members, but it Comcast refuses to
> recognize us and continues to block port 53 we can't get more users. 
> (Users are not necessarily memebers, they just need at some point or
> another to resolve a .geek address.)

Comcast is blocking port 53? By which you mean blocking outgoing to talk
to non-comcast servers, or blocking incoming which is pretty standard
practice for ISP's who want you to buy business accounts in order to run
servers?

> Do an audit and get back to us.

Will do. Hrm... ahh, got it.

> Pretty quiet.  The list flares up when a new and excited member joins
> who wants to change everything, and it flares up when something is
> broken.  It's one of those systems where quiet means that everything is
> going smooth.  Low growth, but smooth.  Without major ISP support we
> will always be a niche/geek service.

Grin. Don't know about changing everything, but seeing some sort of
regular visible activity is not a bad thing. Too many parts of the web
site have ancient timestamps. Things honestly looked like a ghost ship
when I sailed across them, and I spent about 5 hours poking around
before working up the nerve to argue with majordomo ;)

Ammon