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Re: End of the Patry Copyright Blog

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM,  <peabo <at> peabo.com> wrote:
> At 11:24 AM -0500 8/3/08, Kevin Donovan wrote:
>>Patry deleted his archives on his blog. That really sucks.
>
> The Wayback machine has some of it (but nothing more recent than last
> October):
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://williampatry.blogspot.com/

There is a delay of several months between the time that archive.org
crawls a site and the time that it appears in the Wayback machine.  So
it is likely that most of Patry's posts will eventually be available
this way.

Denver

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Elizabeth Stark | 3 Aug 21:12

Re: End of the Patry Copyright Blog

Despite its (semi-)availability on the wayback machine, I'm a bit shocked that he deleted his archives! It's one thing to stop blogging, but another to delete your entire history of doing so. In the field of law and technology scholarship we often rely on sources like these (i.e. we dealt with a lot of citations to blog posts on the Journal of Law and Technology), and the potential for them to disappear like that is rather haunting...

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Denver Gingerich <denver <at> ossguy.com> wrote:

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM, <peabo <at> peabo.com> wrote:
> At 11:24 AM -0500 8/3/08, Kevin Donovan wrote:
>>Patry deleted his archives on his blog. That really sucks.
>
> The Wayback machine has some of it (but nothing more recent than last
> October):
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://williampatry.blogspot.com/

There is a delay of several months between the time that archive.org
crawls a site and the time that it appears in the Wayback machine. So
it is likely that most of Patry's posts will eventually be available
this way.

Denver

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Denver Gingerich | 3 Aug 21:23

Re: End of the Patry Copyright Blog

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Elizabeth Stark <emstark <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Despite its (semi-)availability on the wayback machine, I'm a bit shocked
> that he deleted his archives! It's one thing to stop blogging, but another
> to delete your entire history of doing so. In the field of law and
> technology scholarship we often rely on sources like these (i.e. we dealt
> with a lot of citations to blog posts on the Journal of Law and Technology),
> and the potential for them to disappear like that is rather haunting...

He is considering re-posting the archives, according to a comment he
left on his last post.  He also explains his rationale for removing
the archives:

William Patry said...

"[...] I will think about the archive point; I deleted prior posts
because leaving them up meant subjecting myself to the same
misunderstandings that led me to close the blog. And even for this
last post, one attracts trolls. [...]"

Denver

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Elizabeth Stark | 3 Aug 21:28

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One can close comments to avoid trolls. I don't agree with his decision, and I don't think we'll necessarily always be able to rely on archive.org to back the internet up. We call this the "memory hole" in JZ's Cyberlaw course.

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Denver Gingerich <denver <at> ossguy.com> wrote:

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Elizabeth Stark <emstark <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Despite its (semi-)availability on the wayback machine, I'm a bit shocked
> that he deleted his archives! It's one thing to stop blogging, but another
> to delete your entire history of doing so. In the field of law and
> technology scholarship we often rely on sources like these (i.e. we dealt
> with a lot of citations to blog posts on the Journal of Law and Technology),
> and the potential for them to disappear like that is rather haunting...

He is considering re-posting the archives, according to a comment he
left on his last post. He also explains his rationale for removing
the archives:

William Patry said...

"[...] I will think about the archive point; I deleted prior posts
because leaving them up meant subjecting myself to the same
misunderstandings that led me to close the blog. And even for this
last post, one attracts trolls. [...]"

Denver
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Fred Benenson | 3 Aug 23:47

Re: End of the Patry Copyright Blog

Note also that in the comments Crosbie Fitch admits to being one of the 'crazies' that Patry partially credits for helping him make this decision.

On Aug 3, 2008, at 3:28 PM, "Elizabeth Stark" <emstark <at> gmail.com> wrote:

One can close comments to avoid trolls. I don't agree with his decision, and I don't think we'll necessarily always be able to rely on archive.org to back the internet up. We call this the "mem ory hole" in JZ's Cyberlaw course.

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Denver Gingerich <denver <at> ossguy.com> wrote:

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Elizabeth Stark <emstark <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Despite its (semi-)availability on the wayback machine, I'm a bit shocked
> that he deleted his archives! It's one thing to stop blogging, but another
> to delete your entire history of doing so. In the field of law and
> technology scholarship we often rely on sources like these (i.e. we dealt
> with a lot of citations to blog posts on the Journal of Law and Technology),
> and the potential for them to disappear like that is rather haunting...

He is considering re-posting the archives, according to a comment he
left on his last post. He also explains his rationale for removing
the archives:

William Patry said...

"[...] I will think about the archive point; I deleted prior posts
because leaving them up meant subjecting myself to the same
misunderstandings that led me to close the blog. And even for this
last post, one attracts trolls. [...]"

Denver
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Matt Lee | 12 Aug 18:20

Re: End of the Patry Copyright Blog

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Fred Benenson <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Note also that in the comments Crosbie Fitch admits to being one of the
> 'crazies' that Patry partially credits for helping him make this decision.

What is this, pick on Crosbie month?

He was told in not so many words to get the fuck off this list, and
people still can't leave him alone?

He has an opinion that differs from many of ours, but then I'm sure
that could be said of all of us. Singling one person out is lame.

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Fred Benenson | 12 Aug 18:53

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Off list because CF doesn't deserve more hassling.

He has an opinion that differs from many of ours, but then I'm sure
that could be said of all of us. Singling one person out is lame.

Indeed -- but also had the ability to drive threads into the ground. We weren't going to censor him, he chose to censor himself.

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Fred Benenson | 12 Aug 18:53

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Oops, forgot to change the Reply. Oh well.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Fred Benenson <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Off list because CF doesn't deserve more hassling.

He has an opinion that differs from many of ours, but then I'm sure
that could be said of all of us. Singling one person out is lame.

Indeed -- but also had the ability to drive threads into the ground. We weren't going to censor him, he chose to censor himself.

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Denver Gingerich | 12 Aug 16:53

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On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Denver Gingerich <denver <at> ossguy.com> wrote:
[...]
> He is considering re-posting the archives, according to a comment he
> left on his last post.

Patry has revived the old posts on his blog.  I'm not sure that all of
them are there, but the majority seem to be.  Here's his August 8 post
explaining his decision to revive the posts:

http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2008/08/restoring-old-posts.html

Denver

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Elizabeth Stark | 12 Aug 17:40

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Glad that he was persuaded to so do! I've asked him for a copy of the archive as well and will send it to the list when I get it.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Denver Gingerich <denver <at> ossguy.com> wrote:

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Denver Gingerich <denver <at> ossguy.com> wrote:
[...]
> He is considering re-posting the archives, according to a comment he
> left on his last post.

Patry has revived the old posts on his blog. I'm not sure that all of
them are there, but the majority seem to be. Here's his August 8 post
explaining his decision to revive the posts:

http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2008/08/restoring-old-posts.html

Denver
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