3 Jan 2004 05:08
6 Jan 2004 11:54
Re: Gedit does not recognise Stallman
"V. Sasi Kumar" <vsasi@...> writes: > Gedit has a spellcheck (I think recently added). Strangely, it does > not recognise the word Stallman! But then 'Stallman' is a proper noun. It is not a word that you will find in a dictionary. Hence no spell checker will recognize it. Its not strange. Rgds, anna -- -- Time-stamp: <2004-01-02 11:03:20 annamalai.gurusami> "Free for All offers as thorough and engaging an account of the open-source movement--and the pitfalls in its path--as readers are likely to find anywhere."-- Damien MacClean for Amazon.com. http://www.wayner.org/books/ffa/
6 Jan 2004 12:43
Re: Gedit does not recognise Stallman
On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 16:24, Annamalai Gurusami wrote: > "V. Sasi Kumar" <vsasi@...> writes: > > > Gedit has a spellcheck (I think recently added). Strangely, it does > > not recognise the word Stallman! > > But then 'Stallman' is a proper noun. It is not a word that you will > find in a dictionary. Hence no spell checker will recognize it. Its > not strange. Most dictionaries recognise a number of proper nouns. In this case, for instance, it does recognise Richard. -- -- V. Sasi Kumar <vsasi@...> CESS
6 Jan 2004 13:18
CSIR uses only Microsoft
The Council of Scientific and Industrial Research, an autonomous organisation under the Govt. of India, is a leading agency of the GoI involved in scientific and industrial research, and publication of scientific material. They run several journals related to different branches of science and technology. I found that they ask for manuscript in MS Word format. No other format is acceptable to them, including text, pdf, TeX, and, interestingly, RTF. I wrote a letter to them pointing out that they were forcing people to buy software that they may not need otherwise (even people who are using proprietary software may have other word processors like Lotus WordPro). There was no response from their side. I was forced to save in Word format from Open Office (I had originally prepared it in LaTeX), check for consistency in another computer having Word and send the file. Since this happened after a prolonged process of screening and final acceptance after almost one year after I had submitted it, I did not want to pull out. How can we bring some pressure on CSIR to move to Free Software? -- -- V. Sasi Kumar <vsasi@...> CESS
10 Jan 2004 14:45
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
On Tuesday 06 January 2004 17:48, V. Sasi Kumar wrote: >How can we bring some pressure on CSIR to move to Free Software? May be President Abdul Kalam who is convinced of our movement and having a good influence on CSIR authorities can intervene in this matter. Why don't we prepare and submit a mass petition to President and send its copy to CSIR authorities and related officers, Regards, Anil Appropriate Technology Promotion Society (ATPS)
11 Jan 2004 14:04
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 19:15, eiidp wrote: > On Tuesday 06 January 2004 17:48, V. Sasi Kumar wrote: > > >How can we bring some pressure on CSIR to move to Free Software? > > May be President Abdul Kalam who is convinced of our movement and having a > good influence on CSIR authorities can intervene in this matter. Why don't > we prepare and submit a mass petition to President and send its copy to CSIR > authorities and related officers, This may not be a bad idea. I can get some signatures from my institute, and perhaps a few from other institues also. If there is agreement on this among the list membes, I can initiate a document. -- -- V. Sasi Kumar <vsasi@...> CESS
10 Jan 2004 18:14
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
eiidp wrote: >> How can we bring some pressure on CSIR to move to Free Software? > > > May be President Abdul Kalam who is convinced of our movement and > having a good influence on CSIR authorities can intervene in this > matter. Why don't we prepare and submit a mass petition to President > and send its copy to CSIR authorities and related officers > Please visit: http://presidentofindia.nic.in/ NIC runs our President's site on a Microsoft server. NIC uses Apache on some of its servers, and I am sure it could use free software to run the servers that serve our President, knowing well about his open views on the software that is suitable for our country. We also need to request NIC to use free software and also acknowledge its use when used in its sites. Reg: CSIR http://www.csir.res.in http://www.csir.res.in/infomain.cfm http://www.csir.res.in/csirsite/alldiam/wdiamond.htm The CSIR is doing valuable serious research, but their work could shine better and reach a wider audience through free software. At infomain.cfm I found that CSIR has authored several software programs. What platforms are they written for? Would it not be better if such scientific software is released to the public as free software? Why are the web designers at CSIR using such heavy graphics and amatuer gimmics(Continue reading)
11 Jan 2004 14:22
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 22:44, Ramanraj K wrote: > The CSIR is doing valuable serious research, but their work could shine > better and reach a wider audience through free software. At > infomain.cfm I found that CSIR has authored several software programs. > What platforms are they written for? Would it not be better if such > scientific software is released to the public as free software? Why are > the web designers at CSIR using such heavy graphics and amatuer gimmics > that make it difficult to navigate the site? I would expect a rich > content at such a site, and the use of heavy graphics that do not > present information in a scientific way are inappropriate for a body > like CSIR. It is important that we prepare a detailed memorandum and > send it to all concerned for action. We will need to send memorandums > to the PM also, because he is the President of CSIR. I think these are very valid points, although there may be a doubt about whether this is the right place to discuss issues like design of website. However, it may not be inappropriate to send a memorandum to the CSIR, the Prime Minister and the President on these issues, especially on the software developed or used by CSIR. Perhaps we could include a couple of lines on the design of the website also (in which case there need not be another memorandum as mentioned in my earlier mail). Would Ramanraj volunteer to draft such a memorandum? Regards -- -- V. Sasi Kumar <vsasi@...> CESS(Continue reading)
11 Jan 2004 11:41
Memorandum to CSIR
V. Sasi Kumar wrote: >Would Ramanraj volunteer to draft such a memorandum [to CSIR]? > Sure. We could collect points and prepare a memorandum. This is definitely a step towards promoting use of free software in India, but this cannot be treated as an official memorandum of FSF-India, unless the FSF Board decides otherwise. It may be better to discuss this at Fsf-discuss and those interested could subscribe to the mailing list at http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-discuss . The obvious reason for this is that the postings in this regard while putting together the memorandum to CSIR may be long. Please continue this thread, if it relates to points to be included in the the memorandum to CSIR, by posting to fsf-discuss@... Regards, Ramanraj.
6 Jan 2004 14:31
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
"V. Sasi Kumar" <vsasi@...> writes: > branches of science and technology. I found that they ask for > manuscript in MS Word format. No other format is acceptable to them, > including Likewise, I always find that employment agencies (or job consultants, if you prefer that), often ask CV (or resume) in MS Word format. I send them a note stating that I don't have MS Word software, but that I am sending in RTF format, which can be viewed in MS Word. To my surprise, most of them reject such resumes. Thats a sad reality. I don't know why such a restriction is being imposed. I cannot seem to figure it out. Rgds, anna -- -- Time-stamp: <2004-01-02 11:03:20 annamalai.gurusami> "Free for All offers as thorough and engaging an account of the open-source movement--and the pitfalls in its path--as readers are likely to find anywhere."-- Damien MacClean for Amazon.com. http://www.wayner.org/books/ffa/
7 Jan 2004 05:05
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 07:01:50PM +0530, Annamalai Gurusami wrote: >>>Thats a sad reality. I don't know why such a restriction is being >>>imposed. I cannot seem to figure it out. IAC, Many companies use automated software to read and sort the resumes in word document. Thats why they insist a job seeker to send the resume in word format. This may be possible using FS tools also. Regards -- -- .''`. Dileep M. Kumar <dileep@...> : :' : http://www.kumarayil.net `. `'` Mobile: 98474-47437 `- Debian GNU/Linux - Choice of the Freedom Lovers
7 Jan 2004 06:35
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
"Dileep M. Kumar" <dileep@...> writes: > IAC, Many companies use automated software to read and sort the > resumes in word document. Thats why they insist a job seeker to send > the resume in word format. [I don't know what IAC is] I don't think this is even remotely possible. Unless there is a specific format in the document (the format of the information), there is no way to automatically extract any information from all the different kinds of resumes that comes in. Look at your resume, and then look at your friends resume, and see if there is _any_ possibility of extracting information from both of them in a uniform manner. Thats why the HR consortium is working on an XML based resume format. Rgds, anna -- -- Time-stamp: <2004-01-02 11:03:20 annamalai.gurusami> "Free for All offers as thorough and engaging an account of the open-source movement--and the pitfalls in its path--as readers are likely to find anywhere."-- Damien MacClean for Amazon.com. http://www.wayner.org/books/ffa/(Continue reading)
7 Jan 2004 06:31
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 09:35, Dileep M. Kumar wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 07:01:50PM +0530, Annamalai Gurusami wrote: > > >>>Thats a sad reality. I don't know why such a restriction is being > >>>imposed. I cannot seem to figure it out. > > IAC, Many companies use automated software to read and sort the > resumes in word document. Thats why they insist a job seeker to send > the resume in word format. We cannot force private companies not to specify proprietary formats for such purposes. But our government agencies should not do that. They are supposed to have some kind of social commitment, accountability and transparency. The scientific community in India, in general, appears to have ceased to be concerned with such matters (sorry for having to put the community of which I myself am part in the docks). Can we think of some strategy to bring pressure on CSIR to change? -- -- V. Sasi Kumar <vsasi@...> CESS
7 Jan 2004 06:48
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
V. Sasi Kumar posts: > Can we think of some strategy to bring pressure on CSIR to change? There is no short-cut here, other than bringing the change yourselves. As you are a part of that community of scientists, you should develop a statergy amongst like-minded guys within your institution the CESS and do it. Firstly you should talk about it, how it is benefitting you and demo it to your colleagues. Help them learn and slowly spread it within the CESS, slowly spread it to the next CSIR `gaveshna kendram'near you and go on..... -- -- ragOO RMS to visit Kochi ====> Jan 23 Be there and Join us! http://puggy.symonds.net/~fsug-kochi
7 Jan 2004 12:15
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
Raghavendra Bhat wrote: >V. Sasi Kumar posts: > > > >>Can we think of some strategy to bring pressure on CSIR to change? >> >> > >There is no short-cut here, other than bringing the change yourselves. > >As you are a part of that community of scientists, you should develop a >statergy amongst like-minded guys within your institution the CESS and >do it. Firstly you should talk about it, how it is benefitting you and >demo it to your colleagues. Help them learn and slowly spread it within >the CESS, slowly spread it to the next CSIR `gaveshna kendram'near you >and go on..... > > > Indeed we have already made a humble begining.
7 Jan 2004 06:21
RE: CSIR uses only Microsoft
Dear All, This discussion on the dependance of M$ products by the organizations only reminds me of the good old (but famous) 'fortune' cookie: Imagine that Cray computer decides to make a personal computer. It has a 150 MHz processor, 200 megabytes of RAM, 1500 megabytes of disk storage, a screen resolution of 4096 x 4096 pixels, relies entirely on voice recognition for input, fits in your shirt pocket and costs $300. What's the first question that the computer community asks? "Is it PC compatible?" Regards, Senthil
7 Jan 2004 12:00
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
Mr M senthil kumar wrote: >Dear All, >This discussion on the dependance of M$ products by the organizations only >reminds me of the good old (but famous) 'fortune' cookie: > >Imagine that Cray computer decides to make a personal computer. It has >a 150 MHz processor, 200 megabytes of RAM, 1500 megabytes of disk >storage, a screen resolution of 4096 x 4096 pixels, relies entirely on >voice recognition for input, fits in your shirt pocket and costs $300. >What's the first question that the computer community asks? > >"Is it PC compatible?" > >Regards, > >Senthil > > > >_______________________________________________ >Fsf-friends mailing list >Fsf-friends@... >http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends > > > > Looking back to the days of my initiation into computing (there weren't any desktops then - and the very first desktop experience of mine was on(Continue reading)
10 Jan 2004 01:59
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
hi, this is in reply to an old thread, but none the less. take a look at the job pages of leading dailies - how many actually mention explicitly the format ? this is an outcome of "wordprocessed document=MS Word document" that plagues a lot of such organisations. Oh by the way, recently a friend had the misfortune of sending in a OO document saved as .doc for a job - received a reply that they do not support using 'pirated software' and this is from a leading MNC DTP company ! the hitch in this case was that although they have a template - this 'should' be used only with MS Word 2000. this would have meant an upgrade for my friend and he circumvented with OOv1.1 i really fail to understand why do companies not accept plain text or html resumes - saves both parties enormous amount of trouble. perhaps appropriate fora (does one to admit proposals along these lines exist ?) should be approached. regards sankarshan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 01/02/2004
6 Jan 2004 14:51
RE: CSIR uses only Microsoft
> -----Original Message----- > From: Annamalai Gurusami > "V. Sasi Kumar" <vsasi@...> writes: > > > branches of science and technology. I found that they ask for > > manuscript in MS Word format. No other format is acceptable to them, > > including > > Likewise, I always find that employment agencies (or job consultants, > if you prefer that), often ask CV (or resume) in MS Word format. I > send them a note stating that I don't have MS Word software, but that > I am sending in RTF format, which can be viewed in MS Word. To my > surprise, most of them reject such resumes. > > Thats a sad reality. I don't know why such a restriction is being > imposed. I cannot seem to figure it out. Standardisation which M$ has driven by marketing and a good product( Kindly dont whin, I am using a outlook here). The next good quality product which can out-perform the existing one will become a next standard. So, if any of us want, then need to involve in OO or other Office Suite and make it Highly helpful to common masses. Quality of the product should market itself.( for eg. google,Linux kernel in enterprise etc.) BTW for CV's better use ASCII format.
7 Jan 2004 06:12
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
Senthil_OR@... writes: > Standardisation which M$ has driven by marketing and a good product( > Kindly dont whin, I am using a outlook here). > The next good quality product which can out-perform the existing one > will become a next standard. I used LaTeX to prepare my resume and generate as many different formats as possible. And I am sure LaTeX is a better product than MS Word as far as the resulting document is concerned. Rgds, anna -- -- Time-stamp: <2004-01-02 11:03:20 annamalai.gurusami> "Free for All offers as thorough and engaging an account of the open-source movement--and the pitfalls in its path--as readers are likely to find anywhere."-- Damien MacClean for Amazon.com. http://www.wayner.org/books/ffa/
7 Jan 2004 05:51
RE: CSIR uses only Microsoft
On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 19:21, Senthil_OR@... wrote: > Standardisation which M$ has driven by marketing and a good product( > Kindly dont whin, I am using a outlook here). > The next good quality product which can out-perform the existing one > will become a next standard. I agree with the marketing part that MS has done. But the quality is very doubtful. The product it displaced, namely WordPerfect, which had become very popular the world over, was certainly a much better word processor than MS Word. Even today, I think, MS Word cannot give the kind of features and stability that WP used to give five or ten years back. > So, if any of us want, then need to involve in OO or other Office Suite > and make it Highly helpful to common masses. OO already has many features that MS Word does not. For instance, the auto word completion feature is very helpful to many ordinary people who cannot type fast. Regards -- -- V. Sasi Kumar <vsasi@...> CESS
6 Jan 2004 15:41
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
From: Senthil_OR@... Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:51:24 -0600 > Standardisation which M$ has driven by marketing and a good product( When I have a M$Word 97 document., and I edit it on M$OfficeXP ( just changing italics to bold ) and open the same document in M$Word97, it said that it cannot read the file.. and asks me to update. <This is a problem I faced when I had to prepare a paper during my Under Graduate>. I dont call this standardisation. I call it bullying. Cheers, Joe -- "Software is like sex; Its better when it is free" -- Linus Torvalds visit : http://www.joesteeve.tk/
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6 Jan 2004 15:35
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
Annamalai Gurusami said on Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 07:01:50PM +0530,: > send them a note stating that I don't have MS Word software, but > that I am sending in RTF format, which can be viewed in MS Word. > To my surprise, most of them reject such resumes. I once received a spam resume in .doc format. I opened it in OO.o and antiword. Wonder of wonders - antiword showed much more info, which was obvously embarassing to the sender duly marked as deleted. Probably, recruiters know that, and want to find out what you deleted from your resume. But then, you could simply have renamed the file to .doc. Think this trick will work. A better alternative is not to respond to such postings. Especially if the call is for a free software related job!!! -- -- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ Mahesh T. Pai, LL.M., 'NANDINI', S. R. M. Road, Ernakulam, Cochin-682018, Kerala, India. http://in.geocities.com/paivakil +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
6 Jan 2004 15:36
Re: CSIR uses only Microsoft
From: Annamalai Gurusami <annamalai.gurusami@...> Date: 06 Jan 2004 19:01:50 +0530 > Likewise, I always find that employment agencies (or job consultants, > if you prefer that), often ask CV (or resume) in MS Word format. I I've been a victim of that too. I used a PDF and a `plain text' and was never called even for the screening test. eh., but i just thought to myself., ah.. they lost me.. heh. > Thats a sad reality. I don't know why such a restriction is being > imposed. I cannot seem to figure it out. I guess they never bothered to think about it before advertising in the papers. I guess they dont care either. They just assume., that anyone and everyone should have a M$Office accessible. Cheers, Joe -- "Software is like sex; Its better when it is free" -- Linus Torvalds visit : http://www.joesteeve.tk/
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6 Jan 2004 12:47
Re: Gedit does not recognise Stallman
"V. Sasi Kumar" <vsasi@...> writes: > On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 16:24, Annamalai Gurusami wrote: > > But then 'Stallman' is a proper noun. It is not a word that you will > > find in a dictionary. Hence no spell checker will recognize it. Its > > not strange. > > Most dictionaries recognise a number of proper nouns. In this case, for > instance, it does recognise Richard. I probably should have been more specific in what I meant by the word 'dictionary'. I was talking about dictionaries like Oxford, Webster, etc. I have never seen names in such dictionaries (the printed ones.) Rgds, anna -- -- Time-stamp: <2004-01-02 11:03:20 annamalai.gurusami> "Free for All offers as thorough and engaging an account of the open-source movement--and the pitfalls in its path--as readers are likely to find anywhere."-- Damien MacClean for Amazon.com. http://www.wayner.org/books/ffa/
3 Jan 2004 05:56
Re: Gedit does not recognise Stallman
V. Sasi Kumar said on Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 09:38:36AM +0530,: > Gedit has a spellcheck (I think recently added). Strangely, it does > not recognise the word Stallman! But then, 'Sasi' or 'Kumar' too are not recognised!!!! An, surprise!!! surprise!!! 'Mahesh', 'Pai', and 'paivakil' *are*(1) If you think this a bug, please report it to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gedit Seriously, IMHO, it is not really a bug with gedit. Gedit uses an external plugin written by somebodyelse to do spell check, and the plug in relies on a dictionary created by yet somebody else. So, may be, you should change the dictionary!!! (1) I added these words to my private dictionary. -- -- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ Mahesh T. Pai, LL.M., 'NANDINI', S. R. M. Road, Ernakulam, Cochin-682018, Kerala, India. http://in.geocities.com/paivakil +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+(Continue reading)
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