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Jon Grant | 2 Apr 00:29

Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

This talk looks interesting, I'm a embedded/mobile developer myself.

Anyone else heading down form the list?

Cheers, Jon

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Date: 1 Apr 2008 14:41
Subject: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April
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Want to free your phone? Then head down to this talk on OpenMoko
 (GNU/Linux on mobiles).

  UKUUG 'free' Evening talk

  'OpenMoko (GNU/Linux on the mobile phone)' - speaker: Ole Tange

  Wednesday 9th April, 2008 - Talk starts at: 6:30 p.m. (ends approx. 8:30 p.m.)

  Venue:  Cruciform Lecture theatre 2,
  UCL, Cruciform Building, Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT

  There is no need to book a place - just turn up.

  see UKUUG web site for information:

  http://www.ukuug.org/events/openmoko/

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Tim Dobson | 2 Apr 03:22

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

Jon Grant wrote:
> This talk looks interesting, I'm a embedded/mobile developer myself.
> 
> Anyone else heading down form the list?

I would love to go to this considering I'm hoping to get a Neo 
Freerunner to replace my elderly, non-free, wait for it.... Nokia 3310.

Unfortunatly this talk is a few hundred miles too far south.

Come to Manchester! ;)

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Chris Croughton | 2 Apr 11:03

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 02:22:44AM +0100, Tim Dobson wrote:

> Jon Grant wrote:
> >This talk looks interesting, I'm a embedded/mobile developer myself.
> >
> >Anyone else heading down form the list?
> 
> I would love to go to this considering I'm hoping to get a Neo 
> Freerunner to replace my elderly, non-free, wait for it.... Nokia 3310.
> 
> Unfortunatly this talk is a few hundred miles too far south.

Too far for me as well, and too early start in the evening for the
middle of the week.  If it were Friday I could get there.

Is there any information when the Freerunner will be available
(approximate timescale)?  I'm very interested in it but the OpenMoko
page doesn't seem to give any indication.  Approximate price would be
good as well (order of magnitude even, if it's 100 quid I'll go for it
but if it's 1000 I won't).

(I have a Nokia 6310, I only got that model because at the time I wanted
to be able to use it as a modem to get Internet access while away.
Otherwise a 3310 would do me fine, I only use the thing for occasional
voice calls and rare SMS messages.)

Chris C

Jon Grant | 12 Apr 22:16

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

Did anyone make it? If so, any good?

I asked before the event, but they weren't able to make a video of it
or get slides available.

Cheers, Jon

Dave Crossland | 12 Apr 22:46

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

On 12/04/2008, Jon Grant <jg <at> jguk.org> wrote:
> Did anyone make it? If so, any good?

My notes should o out in the next ukuug newsletter.

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Regards,
Dave

Dave Crossland | 13 Apr 02:08

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

On 12/04/2008, Jon Grant <jg <at> jguk.org> wrote:
> Did anyone make it? If so, any good?

My notes attached :)

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Regards,
Dave

2008-04-09 

Ole Tange on OpenMoko for UKUUG
================================

18:30

Alan Williams: 

I'm Chair of UKUUG, this is Ole Tange, talking about
OpenMoko; open phones in terms of hardware and software.

Recently UKUUG has taken a stand against the BSI's approval of the
fast track of OOXML; we asked them to justify, how is this under the
best interests of the UK public? They have linked to an FAQ answer
that isn't good enough. We have to treat this reply seriously although
its a sham; we are planning legal action to prevent this going
ahead. I feel this is something we need to do. There is a page on the
UKUUG website for updates with progress here; please pass it to
friends.

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Tim Dobson | 13 Apr 02:13

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

Dave Crossland wrote:
> On 12/04/2008, Jon Grant <jg <at> jguk.org> wrote:
>> Did anyone make it? If so, any good?
> 
> My notes attached :)

Very thorough Dave :)

Cheers

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If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us
still has one object.
If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now
has two ideas.   -  George Bernard Shaw

Jon Grant | 13 Apr 17:52

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

Great notes! Perhaps you can put them on a web page somewhere, even at
office <at> ukuug.org for their web page.

> cards almost everywhere. There is a 3D graphics chip, a 640x480 280dpi

Seems to be a S-Media 3362 GPU, nice to see it doing OpenGL ES 1.x, I
hope it does EGL too.  I wish the Neo was more than VGA though,
something like WVGA or FWVGA as in the Sony Ericsson SO908iCS out in
Japan.

Anyone know why the DPI is always so high on mobiles? Because they
could get away with 1/3 the DPI, like 72 etc. which would take the res
down to 220x140 or so for the same space on screen; saving a lot of
memory.

I posted something about web font DPI sizes on my, I wish text would
be a consistent size across different DPI displays:
http://jguk.org/2008/04/web-font-sizes.html (assuming my understanding
is correct that 12pt will be different if the display is 280dpi than
if it is 72dpi)

Hope the stick USB is a MicroUSB plug/socket, fullsize ones could be
big.  Might need a USB cable with to A ends though if it can be host
as well as slave.

On a related note, has anyone seen a the Android phones in the wild?
I'd like to have a go with one sometime.

Cheers, Jon

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Dave Crossland | 13 Apr 17:57

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

On 13/04/2008, Jon Grant <jg <at> jguk.org> wrote:
> Great notes! Perhaps you can put them on a web page somewhere,

http://understandinglimited.com/2008/04/13/ole-on-openmoko/

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Regards,
Dave

Chris Croughton | 13 Apr 18:50

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:57:21PM +0100, Dave Crossland wrote:

> On 13/04/2008, Jon Grant <jg <at> jguk.org> wrote:
> > Great notes! Perhaps you can put them on a web page somewhere,
> 
> http://understandinglimited.com/2008/04/13/ole-on-openmoko/

Thanks!

Chris C

Tim Dobson | 14 Apr 12:02

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

On 02/04/2008, Chris Croughton <affs <at> keristor.co.uk> wrote:
> Is there any information when the Freerunner will be available
> (approximate timescale)?  I'm very interested in it but the OpenMoko
> page doesn't seem to give any indication.  Approximate price would be
> good as well (order of magnitude even, if it's 100 quid I'll go for it
> but if it's 1000 I won't).

I just noticed this update here [1] about pricing.
while the timescale has not been confirmed. pricing has.
From openmoko.com the Neo Freerunner will cost $299.
Import to the UK will be the expensive bit.

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates

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If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us
still has one object.
If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now
has two ideas.   -  George Bernard Shaw

Chris Croughton | 14 Apr 15:56

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:02:55AM +0100, Tim Dobson wrote:

> On 02/04/2008, Chris Croughton <affs <at> keristor.co.uk> wrote:
> > Is there any information when the Freerunner will be available
> > (approximate timescale)?  I'm very interested in it but the OpenMoko
> > page doesn't seem to give any indication.  Approximate price would be
> > good as well (order of magnitude even, if it's 100 quid I'll go for it
> > but if it's 1000 I won't).
> 
> I just noticed this update here [1] about pricing.
> while the timescale has not been confirmed. pricing has.
> >From openmoko.com the Neo Freerunner will cost $299.
> Import to the UK will be the expensive bit.

Thanks.  Dave's transcript also had something on timescale which I
interpreted as "Real Soon Now" (weeks rather than months, I gathered).

Why will import to the UK be expensive?  OK, with shipping + VAT + duty
it won't be at the bank exchange rate, but I would guess no more than
50% added so still well under GBP 299 total (most things sold here seem
to be pound == dollar).

I'll be interested to see the API for it.  I gather the GSM protocol
stack is all hard-coded and not changeable for conformance reasons (I
expected that), but I'm interested in what it provides to applications.

Chris C

Dave Crossland | 14 Apr 18:48

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

On 14/04/2008, Chris Croughton <affs <at> keristor.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  I'll be interested to see the API for it.  I gather the GSM protocol
>  stack is all hard-coded and not changeable for conformance reasons (I
>  expected that), but I'm interested in what it provides to applications.

I believe its AT commands.

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Regards,
Dave

Tim Dobson | 14 Apr 22:52

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

Chris Croughton wrote:
> Thanks.  Dave's transcript also had something on timescale which I
> interpreted as "Real Soon Now" (weeks rather than months, I gathered).

the community updates (link in my previous email) page of the wiki also 
gives that impression.

> Why will import to the UK be expensive?  OK, with shipping + VAT + duty
> it won't be at the bank exchange rate, but I would guess no more than
> 50% added
50% is quite a lot.

  so still well under GBP 299 total (most things sold here seem
> to be pound == dollar).
sad perhaps, but true.

I can't wait to be able to order it.
(It was meant to be a birthday & christmas present for me last autumn!)

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If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us
still has one object.
If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now
has two ideas.   -  George Bernard Shaw

Jon Grant | 14 Apr 23:42

Re: Fwd: [ORG-discuss] Fwd: UKUUG - free Evening talk - OpenMoko - 9th April

Excellent, UKUUG have today put up a PDF of the slides now with the
prices included. Slide7 text/fonts seem not quite right for me on
Kubuntu, but the rest is ok.

Those who don't like downloading gianormous HTML emails might find the
9.3MB PDF too large to handle on dial-up! ;)

http://www.ukuug.org/events/openmoko/openmoko-london-en.pdf

Cheers, Jon

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