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Colin Alston | 1 Sep 2005 06:33

Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

Telkom have quietly launched their 1024 Kbps service, listed on their 
website now. The cost is a measly 680 bob-cats, and there are *no* 
extended cap's provided with it.

What use is a 1Mbps line with a 3Gb cap?

Of more concern is, does SA have the network capacity to provide for 
(many) 1Mbps users? Taking Hetzner (as a bad example) with a 100Mbps 
link, just 100 people could saturate their peering with SAIX. Of course, 
it doesnt work like that, but I have a vague point.

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Rob Lith | 1 Sep 2005 08:31

VoIP legislation

Hi

Has anyone pointers to the bill/act/legislation of the 1st Feb  
legalisation of VoIP? ICASA's site is a birds nest of documents!

Cheers
Rob

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Alan Barrett | 1 Sep 2005 10:37
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Re: VoIP legislation

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005, Rob Lith wrote:
> Has anyone pointers to the bill/act/legislation of the 1st Feb  
> legalisation of VoIP? ICASA's site is a birds nest of documents!

Go to http://www.internet.org.za/, and follow the link to "legislation".
You will find, among other things:

   The Telecommunications Act of 1996, as amended up to and including
   the Telecommunications Amendment act of 2001:
	<http://www.internet.org.za/telecoms_act.html>

   Notice 1924 of 2004, published in Government Gazette 26763
   on 3 September 2004:
   	<http://www.internet.org.za/notice-1924.html>

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Des Ramsay | 1 Sep 2005 08:02
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RE: Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

With regard to your second very valid concern - in any sensible free market,
this would result in larger peering arrangements, bringing more economies of
scale, and further contribute to driving bandwidth pricing down.

But with Telkom's warped view that appears to be that they are entitled to
charge everyone and anyone for peering, unfortunately we will probably only
see increased congestion rather than increased scale.

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Subject: [IOZ] Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

Telkom have quietly launched their 1024 Kbps service, listed on their
website now. The cost is a measly 680 bob-cats, and there are *no* extended
cap's provided with it.

What use is a 1Mbps line with a 3Gb cap?

Of more concern is, does SA have the network capacity to provide for
(many) 1Mbps users? Taking Hetzner (as a bad example) with a 100Mbps link,
just 100 people could saturate their peering with SAIX. Of course, it doesnt
work like that, but I have a vague point.

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Des Ramsay | 1 Sep 2005 07:54
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RE: Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

Extended caps of various capacities and unlimited access accounts for use
with this service are freely available from many sources.  

We must be careful not to reinforce the quite commonly held general public
misconception that the only ADSL internet access account is what is provided
by Telkom.  

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Subject: [IOZ] Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

Telkom have quietly launched their 1024 Kbps service, listed on their
website now. The cost is a measly 680 bob-cats, and there are *no* extended
cap's provided with it.

What use is a 1Mbps line with a 3Gb cap?

Of more concern is, does SA have the network capacity to provide for
(many) 1Mbps users? Taking Hetzner (as a bad example) with a 100Mbps link,
just 100 people could saturate their peering with SAIX. Of course, it doesnt
work like that, but I have a vague point.

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Colin Alston | 1 Sep 2005 14:27

Re: Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

Des Ramsay wrote:

>Extended caps of various capacities and unlimited access accounts for use
>with this service are freely available from many sources.  
>
>We must be careful not to reinforce the quite commonly held general public
>misconception that the only ADSL internet access account is what is provided
>by Telkom.  
>  
>
That wasn't quite my point. However for "general public" as far as I 
know, Telkom is really the only one supplying accounts (IS and UUnet do 
not market theirs to Joe Public).

Also, if the "new pricing structure" to come into effect (per GB 
billing) makes the "various capacities" highly unaffordable - 30Gb was 
in the region of R1500 if i recall correctly.

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Des Ramsay | 1 Sep 2005 14:36
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RE: Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

The IS caps are marketed to the general public through their many VISP /
resellers and are widely available.  They are in capacities of 3Gb, 7Gb and
10Gb and there is a strong rumor that an uncapped consumer account is
immanent.   

Not sure about UUNet (I would strongly suspect that they have a similar
policy to IS), but I know that Mweb also sells ADSL accounts to Joe Public
that are not Telkom caps.

Sorry if I missed your point, but I for one am very happy that Telkom are
only offering a 3Gb account (besides their 4Gb unshaped), as it allows a
little free ground for the other (above and many more) ISP's and VISP's to
compete on with their varying capacity accounts.  Long may it last. 

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Des Ramsay wrote:

>Extended caps of various capacities and unlimited access accounts for 
>use with this service are freely available from many sources.
>
>We must be careful not to reinforce the quite commonly held general 
>public misconception that the only ADSL internet access account is what 
>is provided by Telkom.
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Graham Leggett | 1 Sep 2005 18:16

RE: Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

Des Ramsay said:

> Sorry if I missed your point, but I for one am very happy that Telkom are
> only offering a 3Gb account (besides their 4Gb unshaped), as it allows a
> little free ground for the other (above and many more) ISP's and VISP's to
> compete on with their varying capacity accounts.  Long may it last.

I want to see an uncapped ADSL account with static network addresses (what
is being sold over Diginet now), and I am prepared to pay for it.

What irritates me is that I must pay R2000+ per month for a dinosaur
64kbps solution that is expensive because it is antique.

What irritates me more is that ISPs are still happily willing to charge
customers R4000 or more per month for 64kbps of bandwidth (or 14GB of
potential traffic maxed out), while ISPs are happy to sell a 10GB or 30GB
ADSL account for a fraction of that.

Sure a dedicated network connection costs a bit more, but not orders of
magnitude more.

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Charles Leaver | 1 Sep 2005 22:38

Re: Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

Graham Leggett wrote:
> I want to see an uncapped ADSL account with static network addresses (what
> is being sold over Diginet now), and I am prepared to pay for it.

You must know that these exist, right? From IS for one...

We have four and have sliced our DigiNet line to a quarter of what it was. So 
far so good, we run a VPN over one, web traffic over the other, Linux distro 
downloads over the third and FTP/NNTP/other over the fourth. It's fantastic.

They are being somewhat sticky about reversing a name to the IP but I'm sure 
we'll convince them to.
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Roland Giesler | 1 Sep 2005 19:45
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RE: Telkom ADSL 1024 k/s released

> I want to see an uncapped ADSL account with static network
> addresses (what is being sold over Diginet now), and I am prepared to
> pay for it. 
DataPro are installing our router tomorrow morning.  Cisco hardware, 5 fixed
IP's, uncapped.  Below R2000.

We've been using them for 9 months now.  Minor hickups once or twice, but
otherwise it works well.

Roland

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