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Andrew Pollock | 1 Dec 2004 10:20
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Re: [clug] Powerbook G4

On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 09:32:45AM +1100, Fergus McKenzie-Kay wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> I'm looking into a nice shiny Powerbook G4.. not really sure about the
> size yet.  Does anyone in Canberra have a nice linux setup on one of
> the new powerbooks?
> I've had a bit of a google and it looks like the suspend-to-ram is not
> working, though this might have recently changed:
> http://www.ppcnerds.org/Article218.html
> 
> Is everything else working?  It looks like the wireless card might not
> be supported yet either.. but it's easy enough to stick in a PCMCIA
> card.. that's not a big worry. As long as the most useful things are
> working that's all I'm after.
> 
> Anyone with experiences let me know.. at this stage it looks like the
> 15inch is the best choice for linux support.
> 
> btw.. on a similar vain are there any knoppix style disks for ppc?  I
> read a while ago about some yellowdog disk but it was unclear as to if
> it works as nicely as knoppix on x86 does.

I've got a 15" PowerBook, and I was disappointed by the lack of support for
the onboard wireless card, and subsequently got corrupted by MacOS X and am
more or less happily running MacOS X on it instead. I was intending to make
it primarily a Linux laptop until I discovered how badly Linux supported it,
and how nice MacOS X was. I feel so dirty...

But my work Dell D600 runs Linux very nicely indeed, except I have to get
software suspension working...
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Andrew Pollock | 2 Dec 2004 02:18
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Re: [clug] Powerbook G4

On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 08:20:26PM +1100, Andrew Pollock wrote:
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> I've got a 15" PowerBook, and I was disappointed by the lack of support for
> the onboard wireless card, and subsequently got corrupted by MacOS X and am
> more or less happily running MacOS X on it instead. I was intending to make
> it primarily a Linux laptop until I discovered how badly Linux supported it,
> and how nice MacOS X was. I feel so dirty...
> 
> But my work Dell D600 runs Linux very nicely indeed, except I have to get
> software suspension working...

So last night, after all this discussion, I thought I'd have another crack
at running Debian. I tried the new rc2 of Debian Installer, and this time
around, (not particularly due to new installer version, but me having more
clue and spare PCMCIA wireless cards), I had a more successful bash at it.

My VAIO recently blew a hard disk, and I got a work laptop, which overall
freed up the wireless card I was using in my VAIO, so I used this in my
PowerBook.

Install went good, X worked fine (I've found from recent experience that the
Debconf screen with a list of resolutions is frequently useless, and you're
best off hand-coding a resolution to suit in XF86Config-4).

I'm going to take it out for a spin at lunchtime and do some wardriving
because I haven't in ages.

regards

Andrew
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Michael Carden | 1 Dec 2004 10:38

Re: [clug] Powerbook G4

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:20 pm, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> subsequently got corrupted by MacOS X and am
> more or less happily running MacOS X on it instead. I was intending to make
> it primarily a Linux laptop until I discovered how badly Linux supported
> it, and how nice MacOS X was. I feel so dirty...

AOL. I bought Steve Hanley's (the money's here Steve, honest) G3 Powerbook and 
threw OSX at it initially to overwrite Steve's er.... vital files.

I too have enjoyed the OSX experience enough to leave it there and defer a 
Debian crossover until I see a pressing need. It, um, just *works*. And it's 
pretty. Sure, some of the system level stuff I'm accustomed to doing on a 
Linux box is not there, but on the whole I don't actually need it. Some of 
the paradigms require a brain-shift, but not a painful one.

Forgive me Linus, for I have sinned....

MC

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Nathan Robertson | 1 Dec 2004 20:58
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Re: [clug] Powerbook G4

On 01/12/2004, at 8:38 PM, Michael Carden wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:20 pm, Andrew Pollock wrote:
>> subsequently got corrupted by MacOS X and am
>> more or less happily running MacOS X on it instead. I was intending 
>> to make
>> it primarily a Linux laptop until I discovered how badly Linux 
>> supported
>> it, and how nice MacOS X was. I feel so dirty...

[...]
> I too have enjoyed the OSX experience enough to leave it there and 
> defer a
> Debian crossover until I see a pressing need. It, um, just *works*. 
> And it's
> pretty. Sure, some of the system level stuff I'm accustomed to doing 
> on a
> Linux box is not there, but on the whole I don't actually need it. 
> Some of
> the paradigms require a brain-shift, but not a painful one.

Agreed. For a long time, Yellow Dog* (http://www.yellowdoglinux.com) 
were warning not to use the 17" PowerBook with Linux, because power 
management didn't work (meaning the laptop could fry itself). The 15" 
and 12" were ok, from what I heard.

If you haven't seen it, check out "Mac OS X for UNIX Geeks" (O'Reilly), 
which gives you the essentials of the differences. I think there is a 
later edition than the one I have, but I found it incredibly useful for 
things like NetInfo.
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Fergus McKenzie-Kay | 1 Dec 2004 23:04
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Re: [clug] Powerbook G4

On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 06:58, Nathan Robertson wrote:
> On 01/12/2004, at 8:38 PM, Michael Carden wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:20 pm, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> >> subsequently got corrupted by MacOS X and am
> >> more or less happily running MacOS X on it instead. I was intending 
> >> to make
> >> it primarily a Linux laptop until I discovered how badly Linux 
> >> supported
> >> it, and how nice MacOS X was. I feel so dirty...
> 
> [...]
> > I too have enjoyed the OSX experience enough to leave it there and 
> > defer a
> > Debian crossover until I see a pressing need. It, um, just *works*. 
> > And it's
> > pretty. Sure, some of the system level stuff I'm accustomed to doing 
> > on a
> > Linux box is not there, but on the whole I don't actually need it. 
> > Some of
> > the paradigms require a brain-shift, but not a painful one.
> 
> Agreed. For a long time, Yellow Dog* (http://www.yellowdoglinux.com) 
> were warning not to use the 17" PowerBook with Linux, because power 
> management didn't work (meaning the laptop could fry itself). The 15" 
> and 12" were ok, from what I heard.
> 
> If you haven't seen it, check out "Mac OS X for UNIX Geeks" (O'Reilly), 
> which gives you the essentials of the differences. I think there is a 
> later edition than the one I have, but I found it incredibly useful for
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