Crawford Rainwater | 14 Jun 2012 18:04

Re: Good web hosting for small business?

Linux ETC can and does provide that using Open Source based products in full on the front and backend. ;-)  One
can use a CMS like Drupal, WordPress, or Joomla as well for a basic (or more "advance" if desired) site as you
described below via SSH on the CLI level too.  I believe I could do a simple site build in an hour or two (minus
the theme side for "cosmetics") personally with what you described below too (not included in the hosting
offer of course ;-) ).

https://store.linux-etc.com for the plans and basics.  Feel free to email me directly for more details and
specific questions as desired.

HTH.

--- Crawford

The Linux ETC Company
10121 Yates Court
Westminster, CO 80031 USA
voice:  +1.303.604.2550
web:    http://www.linux-etc.com

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----- Smartboy <smartboyathome <at> gmail.com> wrote: -----
> 
> Good web hosting for small business?
> 
> Smartboy <smartboyathome <at> gmail.com> Jun 13 11:53AM -0700 Hi, I am
> looking for a good web host for my parents' small business. They
> want me to put it on my server, which is run through Linode, but I
> do a lot of experimenting and development on that, and cannot
> guarantee uptime. Also, being a student, I don't have a lot of time
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Tony Quetano | 14 Jun 2012 23:05
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Re: Good web hosting for small business?

Personally, I'm a huge advocate of WebHostingHub. I started a freelance web design gig a few months ago, and I am hosting myself and my clients through my single account. You can get super low-level with the server and site setups (custom .htaccess, install apache plugins, etc), choose the PHP version you want to use, customize the hell out of everything. You can also do things really easily from a high-level perspective; they have Joomla and Drupal, a bunch of normal eCommerce plugins (PayPal, OSCommerce, Zen Cart, etc), even a website builder with like 500 templates. Also, unlimited everything. Bandwidth, domains hosted, email addresses, SQL databases, just a nutty amount of stuff. Its also less than $5/month.


There's a lot more stuff to it too:  http://www.webhostinghub.com/. The customer service / technical support are also killer. Seriously, can't rave enough haha.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Crawford Rainwater <crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com> wrote:
Linux ETC can and does provide that using Open Source based products in full on the front and backend. ;-)  One can use a CMS like Drupal, WordPress, or Joomla as well for a basic (or more "advance" if desired) site as you described below via SSH on the CLI level too.  I believe I could do a simple site build in an hour or two (minus the theme side for "cosmetics") personally with what you described below too (not included in the hosting offer of course ;-) ).

https://store.linux-etc.com for the plans and basics.  Feel free to email me directly for more details and specific questions as desired.

HTH.

--- Crawford

The Linux ETC Company
10121 Yates Court
Westminster, CO 80031 USA
voice:  +1.303.604.2550
web:    http://www.linux-etc.com

Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.  Be friendly to the environment by saving paper.

----- Smartboy <smartboyathome <at> gmail.com> wrote: -----
>
> Good web hosting for small business?
>
> Smartboy <smartboyathome <at> gmail.com> Jun 13 11:53AM -0700 Hi, I am
> looking for a good web host for my parents' small business. They
> want me to put it on my server, which is run through Linode, but I
> do a lot of experimenting and development on that, and cannot
> guarantee uptime. Also, being a student, I don't have a lot of time
> to maintain it as well as my personal site. So, I was hoping people
> here might have good recommendations for web hosts with an easy
> interface so they can set up the website themselves. They are
> contractors, so all they'll need is a few pages, one of them being a
> "contact us" page. My mother would also like to showcase her art on
> it so it'll need the ability to create a gallery as well probably.
> They want to keep the cost below $20 a month. Thanks everyone,
> Smartboy
>
>
>

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Crawford Rainwater | 15 Jun 2012 00:44

Re: Good web hosting for small business?

Tony:

Not to start a "my service is better than yours" style flame war here...but...

The difference with Linux ETC is that we were tired of other hosting companies "services" (or lack there of)
in particular seeing how companies would oversubscribe their systems and networks.  So we decided to do it
ourselves at a facility where we know (and own) the hardware and network and are allocated such
appropriately and directly.  I can name a few companies in Denver alone as well as elsewhere (medium to
large scale) that do such all in the interest of their own piggy banks, but will refrain on such to stay in
good form. ;-)  That is the difference coming from systems and network engineers versus web developers
these days looking at the same picture.  

We keep it on the level with the resources, and keep it secure as well as simple with the systems.  Here is your
allocated space or slice for services and a command line or web portal, go from there accordingly.

FWIW.

--- Crawford

The Linux ETC Company
10121 Yates Court
Westminster, CO 80031 USA
voice:  +1.303.604.2550
web:    http://www.linux-etc.com

Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.  Be friendly to the environment by saving paper.

----- "Tony Quetano" <tquetano <at> gmail.com> wrote: -----
> 
> Personally, I'm a huge advocate of WebHostingHub. I started a
> freelance web design gig a few months ago, and I am hosting myself
> and my clients through my single account. You can get super
> low-level with the server and site setups (custom .htaccess, install
> apache plugins, etc), choose the PHP version you want to use,
> customize the hell out of everything. You can also do things really
> easily from a high-level perspective; they have Joomla and Drupal, a
> bunch of normal eCommerce plugins (PayPal, OSCommerce, Zen Cart,
> etc), even a website builder with like 500 templates. Also,
> unlimited everything. Bandwidth, domains hosted, email addresses,
> SQL databases, just a nutty amount of stuff. Its also less than
> $5/month.
> 
> 
> There's a lot more stuff to it too: http://www.webhostinghub.com/ .
> The customer service / technical support are also killer. Seriously,
> can't rave enough haha.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Crawford Rainwater <
> crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> Linux ETC can and does provide that using Open Source based products
> in full on the front and backend. ;-) One can use a CMS like Drupal,
> WordPress, or Joomla as well for a basic (or more "advance" if
> desired) site as you described below via SSH on the CLI level too. I
> believe I could do a simple site build in an hour or two (minus the
> theme side for "cosmetics") personally with what you described below
> too (not included in the hosting offer of course ;-) ).
> 
> https://store.linux-etc.com for the plans and basics. Feel free to
> email me directly for more details and specific questions as
> desired.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> --- Crawford
> 
> The Linux ETC Company
> 10121 Yates Court
> Westminster, CO 80031 USA
> voice: +1.303.604.2550
> web: http://www.linux-etc.com
> 
> Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be
> friendly to the environment by saving paper.
> 
> ----- Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > wrote: -----
> > 
> > Good web hosting for small business?
> > 
> > Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > Jun 13 11:53AM -0700 Hi, I am
> > looking for a good web host for my parents' small business. They
> > want me to put it on my server, which is run through Linode, but I
> > do a lot of experimenting and development on that, and cannot
> > guarantee uptime. Also, being a student, I don't have a lot of time
> > to maintain it as well as my personal site. So, I was hoping people
> > here might have good recommendations for web hosts with an easy
> > interface so they can set up the website themselves. They are
> > contractors, so all they'll need is a few pages, one of them being
> > a
> > "contact us" page. My mother would also like to showcase her art on
> > it so it'll need the ability to create a gallery as well probably.
> > They want to keep the cost below $20 a month. Thanks everyone,
> > Smartboy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Tony Quetano | 15 Jun 2012 01:59
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Re: Good web hosting for small business?

Crawford,


Not to nitpick, but ... WebHostingHub isn't my service. It's a service that I use and appreciate. Linux ETC is obviously your company, and perhaps if you weren't biased by profit-seeking motive you would stop and think "wait ... Linux is about choice! And this guy ... he offered another choice! Yay for freedom to choose!" Rather, you chose to go the direction of making a blanket statement about other hosting companies (rather than making a direct comparison against the one mentioned, because really ... whats the difference between any service other than yours? They're all the same...) and the flaws that they have made in comparison to your vastly-superior product. No doubt the design of the website is testimony to how much more effort you put into the systems than anything else. Now, I'm certain that you've done the research and legwork to prove that, yes, every single other webhosting company other than yours sucks ... but I was merely speaking out of my experience. Granted, being a lowly web developer, I don't have any idea what people want when building a website. Usually, when one of my clients asks what they should do when building a website, I tell them they should talk to a network engineer.

That was sarcasm, unless it didn't come across. The hubris to insult what actually is your primary demographic is even more insulting than the insult itself. Its like inception-level insulting.

<at> Smartboy - you don't need to go with my option, or this salesman's option. Do some googling, read some reviews, and talk to people. You're bound to end up with a decision you're happy with.

<at> Crawford - I understand that self-righteousness and arrogance comes with the territory of being a Linux fanboy (I often suffer from it myself), however condemning even the concept of choice is condemning the foundation of Linux itself. I honestly didn't care if Smartboy chose my option, I just was providing one that could possibly help, and if a different one came along that he preferred more, then more power to him. Try and think from the consumer side for once.


On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Crawford Rainwater <crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com> wrote:
Tony:

Not to start a "my service is better than yours" style flame war here...but...

The difference with Linux ETC is that we were tired of other hosting companies "services" (or lack there of) in particular seeing how companies would oversubscribe their systems and networks.  So we decided to do it ourselves at a facility where we know (and own) the hardware and network and are allocated such appropriately and directly.  I can name a few companies in Denver alone as well as elsewhere (medium to large scale) that do such all in the interest of their own piggy banks, but will refrain on such to stay in good form. ;-)  That is the difference coming from systems and network engineers versus web developers these days looking at the same picture.

We keep it on the level with the resources, and keep it secure as well as simple with the systems.  Here is your allocated space or slice for services and a command line or web portal, go from there accordingly.

FWIW.

--- Crawford

The Linux ETC Company
10121 Yates Court
Westminster, CO 80031 USA
voice:  +1.303.604.2550
web:    http://www.linux-etc.com

Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.  Be friendly to the environment by saving paper.



----- "Tony Quetano" <tquetano <at> gmail.com> wrote: -----
>
> Personally, I'm a huge advocate of WebHostingHub. I started a
> freelance web design gig a few months ago, and I am hosting myself
> and my clients through my single account. You can get super
> low-level with the server and site setups (custom .htaccess, install
> apache plugins, etc), choose the PHP version you want to use,
> customize the hell out of everything. You can also do things really
> easily from a high-level perspective; they have Joomla and Drupal, a
> bunch of normal eCommerce plugins (PayPal, OSCommerce, Zen Cart,
> etc), even a website builder with like 500 templates. Also,
> unlimited everything. Bandwidth, domains hosted, email addresses,
> SQL databases, just a nutty amount of stuff. Its also less than
> $5/month.
>
>
> There's a lot more stuff to it too: http://www.webhostinghub.com/ .
> The customer service / technical support are also killer. Seriously,
> can't rave enough haha.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Crawford Rainwater <
> crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com > wrote:
>
>
> Linux ETC can and does provide that using Open Source based products
> in full on the front and backend. ;-) One can use a CMS like Drupal,
> WordPress, or Joomla as well for a basic (or more "advance" if
> desired) site as you described below via SSH on the CLI level too. I
> believe I could do a simple site build in an hour or two (minus the
> theme side for "cosmetics") personally with what you described below
> too (not included in the hosting offer of course ;-) ).
>
> https://store.linux-etc.com for the plans and basics. Feel free to
> email me directly for more details and specific questions as
> desired.
>
> HTH.
>
> --- Crawford
>
> The Linux ETC Company
> 10121 Yates Court
> Westminster, CO 80031 USA
> voice: +1.303.604.2550
> web: http://www.linux-etc.com
>
> Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be
> friendly to the environment by saving paper.
>
> ----- Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > wrote: -----
> >
> > Good web hosting for small business?
> >
> > Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > Jun 13 11:53AM -0700 Hi, I am
> > looking for a good web host for my parents' small business. They
> > want me to put it on my server, which is run through Linode, but I
> > do a lot of experimenting and development on that, and cannot
> > guarantee uptime. Also, being a student, I don't have a lot of time
> > to maintain it as well as my personal site. So, I was hoping people
> > here might have good recommendations for web hosts with an easy
> > interface so they can set up the website themselves. They are
> > contractors, so all they'll need is a few pages, one of them being
> > a
> > "contact us" page. My mother would also like to showcase her art on
> > it so it'll need the ability to create a gallery as well probably.
> > They want to keep the cost below $20 a month. Thanks everyone,
> > Smartboy
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
>
>
>
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>



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Crawford Rainwater | 15 Jun 2012 02:40

Re: Good web hosting for small business?

Tony:

Perhaps you missed my point since I was noting that a majority of hosting companies only care about their
profit and "bottom dollar", not their customers nor the level of service and quality of service said
company provides.  That might explain the slight rant directed towards me without knowing my background
in the Linux and Open Source arena as well, nor my company's.

Yes, I do own Linux ETC and it is a for profit company.  However, I value our clients being very satisfied (dare
I even say "happy"?) with Linux ETC's services over making that extra buck at the sacrifice of good
service.  Yes, Linux ETC is an Open Source based consulting and Linux training firm as well.  I also will note
we have passed clients along based off of what their desires and choices are when appropriate too with no
harm nor foul called.  All in the name of...yes, you guessed it...choice. ;-)  

That said, at $5/month, I do have to ponder and ask, what is being sacrificed since the phrase "you get what
you paid for" is coming to mind?  Is it "cheap" or is it "cost effective"?  Linux ETC's experience tends to
lean towards the prior versus the latter.

Also to note, Alex (aka Smartboy) knows me not as a "sales person", but as a consultant and trainer who has
offered some advise on web development content management systems (Drupal if I recall correctly) in the
past.  Sorry to disappoint you here that this management person and company owner is actually a technical
trainer and consultant with the background (education and experience; yes I will refrain from the
various alphabet soup abbreviated certifications and degrees I have since I try to be humble) to back it
up. ;-)  I am not personalizing this since you just know me as another name on the GSLUG list who has offered
some input as well, and not know me for the other aspects previously noted.  I figured I would enlighten you
and others on this list since I do reside in Denver, however Linux ETC does have clients in the
Seattle/Tacoma area (plus I have a fancy for climbing and mountaineering now and then nearby).

FWIW.

--- Crawford

The Linux ETC Company
10121 Yates Court
Westminster, CO 80031 USA
voice:  +1.303.604.2550
web:    http://www.linux-etc.com

Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.  Be friendly to the environment by saving paper.

----- "Tony Quetano" <tquetano <at> gmail.com> wrote: -----
> 
> Crawford,
> 
> 
> Not to nitpick, but ... WebHostingHub isn't my service. It's a
> service that I use and appreciate. Linux ETC is obviously your
> company, and perhaps if you weren't biased by profit-seeking motive
> you would stop and think "wait ... Linux is about choice! And this
> guy ... he offered another choice! Yay for freedom to choose!"
> Rather, you chose to go the direction of making a blanket statement
> about other hosting companies (rather than making a direct
> comparison against the one mentioned, because really ... whats the
> difference between any service other than yours? They're all the
> same...) and the flaws that they have made in comparison to your
> vastly-superior product. No doubt the design of the website is
> testimony to how much more effort you put into the systems than
> anything else. Now, I'm certain that you've done the research and
> legwork to prove that, yes, every single other webhosting company
> other than yours sucks ... but I was merely speaking out of my
> experience. Granted, being a lowly web developer, I don't have any
> idea what people want when building a website. Usually, when one of
> my clients asks what they should do when building a website, I tell
> them they should talk to a network engineer.
> 
> 
> That was sarcasm, unless it didn't come across. The hubris to insult
> what actually is your primary demographic is even more insulting
> than the insult itself. Its like inception-level insulting.
> 
> 
>  <at> Smartboy - you don't need to go with my option, or this salesman's
> option. Do some googling, read some reviews, and talk to people.
> You're bound to end up with a decision you're happy with.
> 
> 
>  <at> Crawford - I understand that self-righteousness and arrogance comes
> with the territory of being a Linux fanboy (I often suffer from it
> myself), however condemning even the concept of choice is condemning
> the foundation of Linux itself. I honestly didn't care if Smartboy
> chose my option, I just was providing one that could possibly help,
> and if a different one came along that he preferred more, then more
> power to him. Try and think from the consumer side for once.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Crawford Rainwater <
> crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> Tony:
> 
> Not to start a "my service is better than yours" style flame war
> here...but...
> 
> The difference with Linux ETC is that we were tired of other hosting
> companies "services" (or lack there of) in particular seeing how
> companies would oversubscribe their systems and networks. So we
> decided to do it ourselves at a facility where we know (and own) the
> hardware and network and are allocated such appropriately and
> directly. I can name a few companies in Denver alone as well as
> elsewhere (medium to large scale) that do such all in the interest
> of their own piggy banks, but will refrain on such to stay in good
> form. ;-) That is the difference coming from systems and network
> engineers versus web developers these days looking at the same
> picture.
> 
> We keep it on the level with the resources, and keep it secure as
> well as simple with the systems. Here is your allocated space or
> slice for services and a command line or web portal, go from there
> accordingly.
> 
> FWIW.
> 
> 
> --- Crawford
> 
> The Linux ETC Company
> 10121 Yates Court
> Westminster, CO 80031 USA
> voice: +1.303.604.2550
> web: http://www.linux-etc.com
> 
> Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be
> friendly to the environment by saving paper.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- "Tony Quetano" < tquetano <at> gmail.com > wrote: -----
> 
> 
> > 
> > Personally, I'm a huge advocate of WebHostingHub. I started a
> > freelance web design gig a few months ago, and I am hosting myself
> > and my clients through my single account. You can get super
> > low-level with the server and site setups (custom .htaccess,
> > install
> > apache plugins, etc), choose the PHP version you want to use,
> > customize the hell out of everything. You can also do things really
> > easily from a high-level perspective; they have Joomla and Drupal,
> > a
> > bunch of normal eCommerce plugins (PayPal, OSCommerce, Zen Cart,
> > etc), even a website builder with like 500 templates. Also,
> > unlimited everything. Bandwidth, domains hosted, email addresses,
> > SQL databases, just a nutty amount of stuff. Its also less than
> > $5/month.
> > 
> > 
> > There's a lot more stuff to it too: http://www.webhostinghub.com/ .
> > The customer service / technical support are also killer.
> > Seriously,
> > can't rave enough haha.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Crawford Rainwater <
> > crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Linux ETC can and does provide that using Open Source based
> > products
> > in full on the front and backend. ;-) One can use a CMS like
> > Drupal,
> > WordPress, or Joomla as well for a basic (or more "advance" if
> > desired) site as you described below via SSH on the CLI level too.
> > I
> > believe I could do a simple site build in an hour or two (minus the
> > theme side for "cosmetics") personally with what you described
> > below
> > too (not included in the hosting offer of course ;-) ).
> > 
> > https://store.linux-etc.com for the plans and basics. Feel free to
> > email me directly for more details and specific questions as
> > desired.
> > 
> > HTH.
> > 
> > --- Crawford
> > 
> > The Linux ETC Company
> > 10121 Yates Court
> > Westminster, CO 80031 USA
> > voice: +1.303.604.2550
> > web: http://www.linux-etc.com
> > 
> > Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.
> > Be
> > friendly to the environment by saving paper.
> > 
> > ----- Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > wrote: -----
> > > 
> > > Good web hosting for small business?
> > > 
> > > Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > Jun 13 11:53AM -0700 Hi, I
> > > am
> > > looking for a good web host for my parents' small business. They
> > > want me to put it on my server, which is run through Linode, but
> > > I
> > > do a lot of experimenting and development on that, and cannot
> > > guarantee uptime. Also, being a student, I don't have a lot of
> > > time
> > > to maintain it as well as my personal site. So, I was hoping
> > > people
> > > here might have good recommendations for web hosts with an easy
> > > interface so they can set up the website themselves. They are
> > > contractors, so all they'll need is a few pages, one of them
> > > being
> > > a
> > > "contact us" page. My mother would also like to showcase her art
> > > on
> > > it so it'll need the ability to create a gallery as well
> > > probably.
> > > They want to keep the cost below $20 a month. Thanks everyone,
> > > Smartboy
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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> > www.tonyquetano.com
> > 206.414.8509
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Gmail - blueroo | 15 Jun 2012 04:44
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I think we get the point Crawford. You have a nice product. Can we move on with the conversation and leave the
blatant sales pitches behind now please?

PS. List admin, how can I contact you? gslug-general-request <at> gslug.org is broken.

On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Crawford Rainwater wrote:

> Tony:
> 
> Perhaps you missed my point since I was noting that a majority of hosting companies only care about their
profit and "bottom dollar", not their customers nor the level of service and quality of service said
company provides.  That might explain the slight rant directed towards me without knowing my background
in the Linux and Open Source arena as well, nor my company's.
> 
> Yes, I do own Linux ETC and it is a for profit company.  However, I value our clients being very satisfied
(dare I even say "happy"?) with Linux ETC's services over making that extra buck at the sacrifice of good
service.  Yes, Linux ETC is an Open Source based consulting and Linux training firm as well.  I also will note
we have passed clients along based off of what their desires and choices are when appropriate too with no
harm nor foul called.  All in the name of...yes, you guessed it...choice. ;-)  
> 
> That said, at $5/month, I do have to ponder and ask, what is being sacrificed since the phrase "you get what
you paid for" is coming to mind?  Is it "cheap" or is it "cost effective"?  Linux ETC's experience tends to
lean towards the prior versus the latter.
> 
> Also to note, Alex (aka Smartboy) knows me not as a "sales person", but as a consultant and trainer who has
offered some advise on web development content management systems (Drupal if I recall correctly) in the
past.  Sorry to disappoint you here that this management person and company owner is actually a technical
trainer and consultant with the background (education and experience; yes I will refrain from the
various alphabet soup abbreviated certifications and degrees I have since I try to be humble) to back it
up. ;-)  I am not personalizing this since you just know me as another name on the GSLUG list who has offered
some input as well, and not know me for the other aspects previously noted.  I figured I would enlighten you
and others on this list since I do reside in Denver, however Linux ETC does have clients in the
Seattle/Tacoma area (plus I have a fancy for climbing and mountaineering now and then nearby).
> 
> FWIW.
> 
> --- Crawford
> 
> The Linux ETC Company
> 10121 Yates Court
> Westminster, CO 80031 USA
> voice:  +1.303.604.2550
> web:    http://www.linux-etc.com
> 
> Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.  Be friendly to the environment by saving paper.
> 
> ----- "Tony Quetano" <tquetano <at> gmail.com> wrote: -----
>> 
>> Crawford,
>> 
>> 
>> Not to nitpick, but ... WebHostingHub isn't my service. It's a
>> service that I use and appreciate. Linux ETC is obviously your
>> company, and perhaps if you weren't biased by profit-seeking motive
>> you would stop and think "wait ... Linux is about choice! And this
>> guy ... he offered another choice! Yay for freedom to choose!"
>> Rather, you chose to go the direction of making a blanket statement
>> about other hosting companies (rather than making a direct
>> comparison against the one mentioned, because really ... whats the
>> difference between any service other than yours? They're all the
>> same...) and the flaws that they have made in comparison to your
>> vastly-superior product. No doubt the design of the website is
>> testimony to how much more effort you put into the systems than
>> anything else. Now, I'm certain that you've done the research and
>> legwork to prove that, yes, every single other webhosting company
>> other than yours sucks ... but I was merely speaking out of my
>> experience. Granted, being a lowly web developer, I don't have any
>> idea what people want when building a website. Usually, when one of
>> my clients asks what they should do when building a website, I tell
>> them they should talk to a network engineer.
>> 
>> 
>> That was sarcasm, unless it didn't come across. The hubris to insult
>> what actually is your primary demographic is even more insulting
>> than the insult itself. Its like inception-level insulting.
>> 
>> 
>>  <at> Smartboy - you don't need to go with my option, or this salesman's
>> option. Do some googling, read some reviews, and talk to people.
>> You're bound to end up with a decision you're happy with.
>> 
>> 
>>  <at> Crawford - I understand that self-righteousness and arrogance comes
>> with the territory of being a Linux fanboy (I often suffer from it
>> myself), however condemning even the concept of choice is condemning
>> the foundation of Linux itself. I honestly didn't care if Smartboy
>> chose my option, I just was providing one that could possibly help,
>> and if a different one came along that he preferred more, then more
>> power to him. Try and think from the consumer side for once.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Crawford Rainwater <
>> crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Tony:
>> 
>> Not to start a "my service is better than yours" style flame war
>> here...but...
>> 
>> The difference with Linux ETC is that we were tired of other hosting
>> companies "services" (or lack there of) in particular seeing how
>> companies would oversubscribe their systems and networks. So we
>> decided to do it ourselves at a facility where we know (and own) the
>> hardware and network and are allocated such appropriately and
>> directly. I can name a few companies in Denver alone as well as
>> elsewhere (medium to large scale) that do such all in the interest
>> of their own piggy banks, but will refrain on such to stay in good
>> form. ;-) That is the difference coming from systems and network
>> engineers versus web developers these days looking at the same
>> picture.
>> 
>> We keep it on the level with the resources, and keep it secure as
>> well as simple with the systems. Here is your allocated space or
>> slice for services and a command line or web portal, go from there
>> accordingly.
>> 
>> FWIW.
>> 
>> 
>> --- Crawford
>> 
>> The Linux ETC Company
>> 10121 Yates Court
>> Westminster, CO 80031 USA
>> voice: +1.303.604.2550
>> web: http://www.linux-etc.com
>> 
>> Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be
>> friendly to the environment by saving paper.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- "Tony Quetano" < tquetano <at> gmail.com > wrote: -----
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Personally, I'm a huge advocate of WebHostingHub. I started a
>>> freelance web design gig a few months ago, and I am hosting myself
>>> and my clients through my single account. You can get super
>>> low-level with the server and site setups (custom .htaccess,
>>> install
>>> apache plugins, etc), choose the PHP version you want to use,
>>> customize the hell out of everything. You can also do things really
>>> easily from a high-level perspective; they have Joomla and Drupal,
>>> a
>>> bunch of normal eCommerce plugins (PayPal, OSCommerce, Zen Cart,
>>> etc), even a website builder with like 500 templates. Also,
>>> unlimited everything. Bandwidth, domains hosted, email addresses,
>>> SQL databases, just a nutty amount of stuff. Its also less than
>>> $5/month.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's a lot more stuff to it too: http://www.webhostinghub.com/ .
>>> The customer service / technical support are also killer.
>>> Seriously,
>>> can't rave enough haha.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Crawford Rainwater <
>>> crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Linux ETC can and does provide that using Open Source based
>>> products
>>> in full on the front and backend. ;-) One can use a CMS like
>>> Drupal,
>>> WordPress, or Joomla as well for a basic (or more "advance" if
>>> desired) site as you described below via SSH on the CLI level too.
>>> I
>>> believe I could do a simple site build in an hour or two (minus the
>>> theme side for "cosmetics") personally with what you described
>>> below
>>> too (not included in the hosting offer of course ;-) ).
>>> 
>>> https://store.linux-etc.com for the plans and basics. Feel free to
>>> email me directly for more details and specific questions as
>>> desired.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> --- Crawford
>>> 
>>> The Linux ETC Company
>>> 10121 Yates Court
>>> Westminster, CO 80031 USA
>>> voice: +1.303.604.2550
>>> web: http://www.linux-etc.com
>>> 
>>> Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.
>>> Be
>>> friendly to the environment by saving paper.
>>> 
>>> ----- Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > wrote: -----
>>>> 
>>>> Good web hosting for small business?
>>>> 
>>>> Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > Jun 13 11:53AM -0700 Hi, I
>>>> am
>>>> looking for a good web host for my parents' small business. They
>>>> want me to put it on my server, which is run through Linode, but
>>>> I
>>>> do a lot of experimenting and development on that, and cannot
>>>> guarantee uptime. Also, being a student, I don't have a lot of
>>>> time
>>>> to maintain it as well as my personal site. So, I was hoping
>>>> people
>>>> here might have good recommendations for web hosts with an easy
>>>> interface so they can set up the website themselves. They are
>>>> contractors, so all they'll need is a few pages, one of them
>>>> being
>>>> a
>>>> "contact us" page. My mother would also like to showcase her art
>>>> on
>>>> it so it'll need the ability to create a gallery as well
>>>> probably.
>>>> They want to keep the cost below $20 a month. Thanks everyone,
>>>> Smartboy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> www.tonyquetano.com
>>> 206.414.8509
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Good web hosting for small business?

At virtually Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Gmail - blueroo
<blueroo <at> gmail.com> pronounced:

> I think we get the point Crawford. You have a nice product. Can we move on with the conversation and leave the
blatant sales pitches behind now please?
>
> PS. List admin, how can I contact you? gslug-general-request <at> gslug.org is broken.

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Re: Good web hosting for small business?

My sincerest apologies; my rant was because you made a sales pitch and got all butt hurt when another option came up. Had I known your background in Linux and Open Source ... well, lets just say I would not have tried to point out how assumptions based on a lot of experience are still assumptions and can be wrong. I would have merely kissed the ring, and returned to Vista. I should know better than to speak my piece without using "various certifications and degrees" and "humble" in the same sentence.

Sardonics aside, I do respect anyone who furthers the awareness of Open Source and Linux among businesses, and I commend you on having practices that are dedicated to that. I do wish great success in those endeavors, because the business world needs it, especially in economically difficult times such as these.


On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Crawford Rainwater <crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com> wrote:
Tony:

Perhaps you missed my point since I was noting that a majority of hosting companies only care about their profit and "bottom dollar", not their customers nor the level of service and quality of service said company provides.  That might explain the slight rant directed towards me without knowing my background in the Linux and Open Source arena as well, nor my company's.

Yes, I do own Linux ETC and it is a for profit company.  However, I value our clients being very satisfied (dare I even say "happy"?) with Linux ETC's services over making that extra buck at the sacrifice of good service.  Yes, Linux ETC is an Open Source based consulting and Linux training firm as well.  I also will note we have passed clients along based off of what their desires and choices are when appropriate too with no harm nor foul called.  All in the name of...yes, you guessed it...choice. ;-)

That said, at $5/month, I do have to ponder and ask, what is being sacrificed since the phrase "you get what you paid for" is coming to mind?  Is it "cheap" or is it "cost effective"?  Linux ETC's experience tends to lean towards the prior versus the latter.

Also to note, Alex (aka Smartboy) knows me not as a "sales person", but as a consultant and trainer who has offered some advise on web development content management systems (Drupal if I recall correctly) in the past.  Sorry to disappoint you here that this management person and company owner is actually a technical trainer and consultant with the background (education and experience; yes I will refrain from the various alphabet soup abbreviated certifications and degrees I have since I try to be humble) to back it up. ;-)  I am not personalizing this since you just know me as another name on the GSLUG list who has offered some input as well, and not know me for the other aspects previously noted.  I figured I would enlighten you and others on this list since I do reside in Denver, however Linux ETC does have clients in the Seattle/Tacoma area (plus I have a fancy for climbing and mountaineering now and then nearby).

FWIW.

--- Crawford

The Linux ETC Company
10121 Yates Court
Westminster, CO 80031 USA
voice:  +1.303.604.2550
web:    http://www.linux-etc.com

Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.  Be friendly to the environment by saving paper.

----- "Tony Quetano" <tquetano <at> gmail.com> wrote: -----
>
> Crawford,
>
>
> Not to nitpick, but ... WebHostingHub isn't my service. It's a
> service that I use and appreciate. Linux ETC is obviously your
> company, and perhaps if you weren't biased by profit-seeking motive
> you would stop and think "wait ... Linux is about choice! And this
> guy ... he offered another choice! Yay for freedom to choose!"
> Rather, you chose to go the direction of making a blanket statement
> about other hosting companies (rather than making a direct
> comparison against the one mentioned, because really ... whats the
> difference between any service other than yours? They're all the
> same...) and the flaws that they have made in comparison to your
> vastly-superior product. No doubt the design of the website is
> testimony to how much more effort you put into the systems than
> anything else. Now, I'm certain that you've done the research and
> legwork to prove that, yes, every single other webhosting company
> other than yours sucks ... but I was merely speaking out of my
> experience. Granted, being a lowly web developer, I don't have any
> idea what people want when building a website. Usually, when one of
> my clients asks what they should do when building a website, I tell
> them they should talk to a network engineer.
>
>
> That was sarcasm, unless it didn't come across. The hubris to insult
> what actually is your primary demographic is even more insulting
> than the insult itself. Its like inception-level insulting.
>
>
> <at> Smartboy - you don't need to go with my option, or this salesman's
> option. Do some googling, read some reviews, and talk to people.
> You're bound to end up with a decision you're happy with.
>
>
> <at> Crawford - I understand that self-righteousness and arrogance comes
> with the territory of being a Linux fanboy (I often suffer from it
> myself), however condemning even the concept of choice is condemning
> the foundation of Linux itself. I honestly didn't care if Smartboy
> chose my option, I just was providing one that could possibly help,
> and if a different one came along that he preferred more, then more
> power to him. Try and think from the consumer side for once.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Crawford Rainwater <
> crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com > wrote:
>
>
> Tony:
>
> Not to start a "my service is better than yours" style flame war
> here...but...
>
> The difference with Linux ETC is that we were tired of other hosting
> companies "services" (or lack there of) in particular seeing how
> companies would oversubscribe their systems and networks. So we
> decided to do it ourselves at a facility where we know (and own) the
> hardware and network and are allocated such appropriately and
> directly. I can name a few companies in Denver alone as well as
> elsewhere (medium to large scale) that do such all in the interest
> of their own piggy banks, but will refrain on such to stay in good
> form. ;-) That is the difference coming from systems and network
> engineers versus web developers these days looking at the same
> picture.
>
> We keep it on the level with the resources, and keep it secure as
> well as simple with the systems. Here is your allocated space or
> slice for services and a command line or web portal, go from there
> accordingly.
>
> FWIW.
>
>
> --- Crawford
>
> The Linux ETC Company
> 10121 Yates Court
> Westminster, CO 80031 USA
> voice: +1.303.604.2550
> web: http://www.linux-etc.com
>
> Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be
> friendly to the environment by saving paper.
>
>
>
> ----- "Tony Quetano" < tquetano <at> gmail.com > wrote: -----
>
>
> >
> > Personally, I'm a huge advocate of WebHostingHub. I started a
> > freelance web design gig a few months ago, and I am hosting myself
> > and my clients through my single account. You can get super
> > low-level with the server and site setups (custom .htaccess,
> > install
> > apache plugins, etc), choose the PHP version you want to use,
> > customize the hell out of everything. You can also do things really
> > easily from a high-level perspective; they have Joomla and Drupal,
> > a
> > bunch of normal eCommerce plugins (PayPal, OSCommerce, Zen Cart,
> > etc), even a website builder with like 500 templates. Also,
> > unlimited everything. Bandwidth, domains hosted, email addresses,
> > SQL databases, just a nutty amount of stuff. Its also less than
> > $5/month.
> >
> >
> > There's a lot more stuff to it too: http://www.webhostinghub.com/ .
> > The customer service / technical support are also killer.
> > Seriously,
> > can't rave enough haha.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Crawford Rainwater <
> > crawford.rainwater <at> linux-etc.com > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Linux ETC can and does provide that using Open Source based
> > products
> > in full on the front and backend. ;-) One can use a CMS like
> > Drupal,
> > WordPress, or Joomla as well for a basic (or more "advance" if
> > desired) site as you described below via SSH on the CLI level too.
> > I
> > believe I could do a simple site build in an hour or two (minus the
> > theme side for "cosmetics") personally with what you described
> > below
> > too (not included in the hosting offer of course ;-) ).
> >
> > https://store.linux-etc.com for the plans and basics. Feel free to
> > email me directly for more details and specific questions as
> > desired.
> >
> > HTH.
> >
> > --- Crawford
> >
> > The Linux ETC Company
> > 10121 Yates Court
> > Westminster, CO 80031 USA
> > voice: +1.303.604.2550
> > web: http://www.linux-etc.com
> >
> > Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary.
> > Be
> > friendly to the environment by saving paper.
> >
> > ----- Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > wrote: -----
> > >
> > > Good web hosting for small business?
> > >
> > > Smartboy < smartboyathome <at> gmail.com > Jun 13 11:53AM -0700 Hi, I
> > > am
> > > looking for a good web host for my parents' small business. They
> > > want me to put it on my server, which is run through Linode, but
> > > I
> > > do a lot of experimenting and development on that, and cannot
> > > guarantee uptime. Also, being a student, I don't have a lot of
> > > time
> > > to maintain it as well as my personal site. So, I was hoping
> > > people
> > > here might have good recommendations for web hosts with an easy
> > > interface so they can set up the website themselves. They are
> > > contractors, so all they'll need is a few pages, one of them
> > > being
> > > a
> > > "contact us" page. My mother would also like to showcase her art
> > > on
> > > it so it'll need the ability to create a gallery as well
> > > probably.
> > > They want to keep the cost below $20 a month. Thanks everyone,
> > > Smartboy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> > www.tonyquetano.com
> > 206.414.8509
> >
>
>
>
>
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