Chris Calloway | 16 Apr 01:40

PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

As you know, we have two weeks of Plone Boot Camps scheduled this year:

http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc4/

And about weekly I get asked when are we (TriZPUG) going to have PyCamp 
again. (I get very tired just thinking about it.)

I haven't asked Joel Burton about this yet because I want to get your 
feelings. But what would you think about having a PyCamp concurrent with 
Plone Boot Camp? Either week? Which? Or both?

Basically, I can't find another time on the UNC calendar this year which 
would permit it other than the same time as Plone Boot Camp.

Who would come to PyCamp? Would you? Have most of you who would go 
already been and it's a spent idea?

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Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

Tom Roche | 16 Apr 20:10

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp


Chris Calloway Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:41:25 -0400
 > Who would come to PyCamp? Would you?

Depends on content, cost, location, etc:

http://www.zope.org/Members/cbc/pycamp06
 >> PyCamp, our new Python Boot Camp, takes a programmer familiar with
 >> basic programming concepts to the status of Python developer with
 >> one week of training. The training is geared towards scientific and
 >> research computing.

I'm a former java and perl developer entering UNC environmental
sciences (where folks I've talked with seem to be working almost
exclusively in python) fall 08. Given location=UNC (previously
mentioned?) and content like above, PyCamp sounds good.  (I'm in
Chapel Hill and prefer not to drive. I'm also currently unemployed,
so cost matters, but I could probably hack $250.) I should probably
also do the 24 Apr meeting, but both the time (Thursday evenings) and
location (Raleigh) are difficult for me.

FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche@...>

Scott Hicks | 17 Apr 11:59

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

I am interested in the PyCamp boot camp.  What kind of interest is needed in order to have this event?  Is there a defined outline for the course, or does it depend upon the interest of the participants?

Thanks,
Scott

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Chris Calloway Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:41:25 -0400
 > Who would come to PyCamp? Would you?

Depends on content, cost, location, etc:

http://www.zope.org/Members/cbc/pycamp06
 >> PyCamp, our new Python Boot Camp, takes a programmer familiar with
 >> basic programming concepts to the status of Python developer with
 >> one week of training. The training is geared towards scientific and
 >> research computing.

I'm a former java and perl developer entering UNC environmental
sciences (where folks I've talked with seem to be working almost
exclusively in python) fall 08. Given location=UNC (previously
mentioned?) and content like above, PyCamp sounds good.  (I'm in
Chapel Hill and prefer not to drive. I'm also currently unemployed,
so cost matters, but I could probably hack $250.) I should probably
also do the 24 Apr meeting, but both the time (Thursday evenings) and
location (Raleigh) are difficult for me.

FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

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<p>I am interested in the PyCamp boot camp.&nbsp; What kind of interest is needed in order to have this event?&nbsp; Is there a defined outline for the course, or does it depend upon the interest of the participants?<br><br>Thanks,<br>
Scott<br><br></p>
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Chris Calloway Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:41:25 -0400<br>
&nbsp;&gt; Who would come to PyCamp? Would you?<br><br>
Depends on content, cost, location, etc:<br><br><a href="http://www.zope.org/Members/cbc/pycamp06" target="_blank">http://www.zope.org/Members/cbc/pycamp06</a><br>
&nbsp;&gt;&gt; PyCamp, our new Python Boot Camp, takes a programmer familiar with<br>
&nbsp;&gt;&gt; basic programming concepts to the status of Python developer with<br>
&nbsp;&gt;&gt; one week of training. The training is geared towards scientific and<br>
&nbsp;&gt;&gt; research computing.<br><br>
I'm a former java and perl developer entering UNC environmental<br>
sciences (where folks I've talked with seem to be working almost<br>
exclusively in python) fall 08. Given location=UNC (previously<br>
mentioned?) and content like above, PyCamp sounds good. &nbsp;(I'm in<br>
Chapel Hill and prefer not to drive. I'm also currently unemployed,<br>
so cost matters, but I could probably hack $250.) I should probably<br>
also do the 24 Apr meeting, but both the time (Thursday evenings) and<br>
location (Raleigh) are difficult for me.<br><br>
FWIW, Tom Roche &lt;<a href="mailto:Tom_Roche@...">Tom_Roche@...</a>&gt;<br><br>
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Chris Calloway | 17 Apr 17:37

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

On 4/17/2008 5:59 AM, Scott Hicks wrote:
> I am interested in the PyCamp boot camp.  What kind of interest is needed in
> order to have this event?

40 people.

> Is there a defined outline for the course, or
> does it depend upon the interest of the participants?

Defined outline. I assume the interest is to learn Python. The material 
in the can from last time. I spent several hundred hours putting it 
together. I don't get in front of 40 people and wing it with whatever 
anybody is interested in. It's a boot camp. You come. You learn. Or drop 
and give me twenty. :)

*Depending* on how many people are going to Regular Plone Boot Camp and 
then PyCamp, *and* how much time I might have to do this beforehand, 
*some* of the material later in the week might be retooled to Plone 
examples. This is something Joel and I have talked about. However, I 
would limit that according to how many people in PyCamp class are not 
there because of Plone. It would take pretty much a unanimously Plone 
class to go beyond anything more than, "Let's use Clouseau to go 
exploring in Plone with Python," though.

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http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

Scott Hicks | 22 Apr 12:23

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

I now have full approval from work to attend PyCamp.  So, count me as a definite regardless of what week it is (hopefully) offered.  How is the interest so far looking for PyCamp? 


- Scott

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Chris Calloway <cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4@public.gmane.org> wrote:
On 4/17/2008 5:59 AM, Scott Hicks wrote:
> I am interested in the PyCamp boot camp.  What kind of interest is needed in
> order to have this event?

40 people.

> Is there a defined outline for the course, or
> does it depend upon the interest of the participants?

Defined outline. I assume the interest is to learn Python. The material
in the can from last time. I spent several hundred hours putting it
together. I don't get in front of 40 people and wing it with whatever
anybody is interested in. It's a boot camp. You come. You learn. Or drop
and give me twenty. :)

*Depending* on how many people are going to Regular Plone Boot Camp and
then PyCamp, *and* how much time I might have to do this beforehand,
*some* of the material later in the week might be retooled to Plone
examples. This is something Joel and I have talked about. However, I
would limit that according to how many people in PyCamp class are not
there because of Plone. It would take pretty much a unanimously Plone
class to go beyond anything more than, "Let's use Clouseau to go
exploring in Plone with Python," though.

--
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599


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<p>I now have full approval from work to attend PyCamp.&nbsp; So, count me as a definite regardless of what week it is (hopefully) offered.&nbsp; How is the interest so far looking for PyCamp?&nbsp; <br><br><br>- Scott<br><br></p>
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Chris Calloway &lt;<a href="mailto:cbc@...">cbc@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On 4/17/2008 5:59 AM, Scott Hicks wrote:<br>
&gt; I am interested in the PyCamp boot camp. &nbsp;What kind of interest is needed in<br>
&gt; order to have this event?<br><br>
</div>40 people.<br><div class="Ih2E3d">
<br>
&gt; Is there a defined outline for the course, or<br>
&gt; does it depend upon the interest of the participants?<br><br>
</div>Defined outline. I assume the interest is to learn Python. The material<br>
in the can from last time. I spent several hundred hours putting it<br>
together. I don't get in front of 40 people and wing it with whatever<br>
anybody is interested in. It's a boot camp. You come. You learn. Or drop<br>
and give me twenty. :)<br><br>
*Depending* on how many people are going to Regular Plone Boot Camp and<br>
then PyCamp, *and* how much time I might have to do this beforehand,<br>
*some* of the material later in the week might be retooled to Plone<br>
examples. This is something Joel and I have talked about. However, I<br>
would limit that according to how many people in PyCamp class are not<br>
there because of Plone. It would take pretty much a unanimously Plone<br>
class to go beyond anything more than, "Let's use Clouseau to go<br>
exploring in Plone with Python," though.<br><div class="Ih2E3d">
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mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599<br><br><br>
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Chris Calloway | 22 Apr 18:29

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

On 4/22/2008 6:23 AM, Scott Hicks wrote:
> I now have full approval from work to attend PyCamp.  So, count me as a
> definite regardless of what week it is (hopefully) offered.  How is the
> interest so far looking for PyCamp?

I have the +1s for far. I think that's enough to go ahead and try to get 
the other 30. Pending it being OK with Joel to do PyCamp concurrently 
with Advance Plone Boot Camp, and a few other details like classroom and 
who else can help maintain the snack and beverage services during that 
week, I'd say we have enough interest to simply say, yep, we are having 
PyCamp this year Aug 4-10. I talked to Robline in person over the 
weekend and he is OK with having it then even though he has to go to 
Advanced Plone Boot Camp anyway.

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office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

Chris Calloway | 22 Apr 19:09

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

On 4/22/2008 12:29 PM, Chris Calloway wrote:
> I have the +1s for far.

Ah, well, that was supposed to be "I have ten +1s so far."

"Don't post and plone at the same time," is the moral of the story.

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bob gailer | 22 Apr 23:29

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

I've never been to a Camp, but am very interested in helping it happen, 
and teaching as needed.

I have a background in computer training.

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J. Clifford Dyer | 17 Apr 12:36

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

I checked out the syllabus for pycamp06 here:
http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pyc1/syllabus#day2
 and from what I see, I'd definitely be interested in pycamp.

Cheers,
Cliff

On Wed, 2008-04-16 at 14:13 -0400, Tom Roche wrote:
> Chris Calloway Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:41:25 -0400
>  > Who would come to PyCamp? Would you?
> 
> Depends on content, cost, location, etc:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/cbc/pycamp06
>  >> PyCamp, our new Python Boot Camp, takes a programmer familiar with
>  >> basic programming concepts to the status of Python developer with
>  >> one week of training. The training is geared towards scientific and
>  >> research computing.
> 
> I'm a former java and perl developer entering UNC environmental
> sciences (where folks I've talked with seem to be working almost
> exclusively in python) fall 08. Given location=UNC (previously
> mentioned?) and content like above, PyCamp sounds good.  (I'm in
> Chapel Hill and prefer not to drive. I'm also currently unemployed,
> so cost matters, but I could probably hack $250.) I should probably
> also do the 24 Apr meeting, but both the time (Thursday evenings) and
> location (Raleigh) are difficult for me.
> 
> FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche@...>
> 
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Eric Leary | 16 Apr 20:57

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

I am interested in both.  The July/August time is good for me. Does engagement in one camp preclude doing the other if they are at the same time?  If so, I think my priority needs to be PyCamp. 
 
I never weighed in before, but I can pester you pythoneers on Thursday nights as easily as Tuesday nights! 

 
On 4/15/08, Chris Calloway <cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4@public.gmane.org> wrote:
As you know, we have two weeks of Plone Boot Camps scheduled this year:

http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc4/

And about weekly I get asked when are we (TriZPUG) going to have PyCamp
again. (I get very tired just thinking about it.)

I haven't asked Joel Burton about this yet because I want to get your
feelings. But what would you think about having a PyCamp concurrent with
Plone Boot Camp? Either week? Which? Or both?

Basically, I can't find another time on the UNC calendar this year which
would permit it other than the same time as Plone Boot Camp.

Who would come to PyCamp? Would you? Have most of you who would go
already been and it's a spent idea?

--
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




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<blockquote class="gmail_quote">As you know, we have two weeks of Plone Boot Camps scheduled this year:<br><br><a href="http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc4/">http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc4/</a><br><br>And about weekly I get asked when are we (TriZPUG) going to have PyCamp<br>again. (I get very tired just thinking about it.)<br><br>I haven't asked Joel Burton about this yet because I want to get your<br>feelings. But what would you think about having a PyCamp concurrent with<br>
Plone Boot Camp? Either week? Which? Or both?<br><br>Basically, I can't find another time on the UNC calendar this year which<br>would permit it other than the same time as Plone Boot Camp.<br><br>Who would come to PyCamp? Would you? Have most of you who would go<br>
already been and it's a spent idea?<br><br>--<br>Sincerely,<br><br>Chris Calloway<br><a href="http://www.secoora.org">http://www.secoora.org</a><br>office: 332 Chapman Hall&nbsp;&nbsp; phone: (919) 599-3530<br>mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599<br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>triangle-zpug mailing list<br><a href="mailto:triangle-zpug@...">triangle-zpug@...</a><br><a href="http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug">http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug</a><br>
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Barry Vial | 16 Apr 20:39

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

Hello Chris,

I'm very interested in the PyCamp and I must attend the Plone boot camp. 
  I really hope these two do not conflict but I understand that 
scheduling  needs may dictate otherwise.

Thanks for the heads up.

Barry Vial
ITS - Enterprise Applications
919-698-8699

Chris Calloway wrote:
> As you know, we have two weeks of Plone Boot Camps scheduled this year:
> 
> http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc4/
> 
> And about weekly I get asked when are we (TriZPUG) going to have PyCamp 
> again. (I get very tired just thinking about it.)
> 
> I haven't asked Joel Burton about this yet because I want to get your 
> feelings. But what would you think about having a PyCamp concurrent with 
> Plone Boot Camp? Either week? Which? Or both?
> 
> Basically, I can't find another time on the UNC calendar this year which 
> would permit it other than the same time as Plone Boot Camp.
> 
> Who would come to PyCamp? Would you? Have most of you who would go 
> already been and it's a spent idea?
> 

Chris Calloway | 17 Apr 00:30

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

On 4/16/2008 2:39 PM, Barry Vial wrote:
> I'm very interested in the PyCamp and I must attend the Plone boot camp. 
>  I really hope these two do not conflict but I understand that 
> scheduling  needs may dictate otherwise.

In case it wasn't clear before from the links:

There are *two* Plone Boot Camps offered back to back this year: Regular 
and Advanced. The are one week *each*. The weeks are consecutive. You do 
not need to go to both. You can go to both.

PyCamp is also a one week camp.

I would possibly like to offer PyCamp during one or both of those weeks 
on the assumption that *most* people would not go to *both* back to back 
Plone Boot Camps (although a few people certainly will).

That means maybe you could go to a Regular Plone Boot Camp one week and 
PyCamp the next. Or PyCamp one week and Advanced Plone Boot Camp the 
next. Or just Plone Boot Camp. Or just PyCamp.

But you couldn't go to all three week-long camps in two weeks. :)

I'm just trying to get a gauge a) if PyCamp should be offered at all, b) 
if it should be offered one week or the other, and c) if it should be 
offered both weeks.

This all depends on a) if enough people would even go to PyCamp to 
justify offering it and b) being sure offering PyCamp would not 
adversely affect Plone Boot Camp.

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Hugh A. Cayless | 16 Apr 21:52

Re: PyCamp concurrent with Plone Boot Camp

I'd definitely be interested in PyCamp.

Hugh

Chris Calloway wrote:
> As you know, we have two weeks of Plone Boot Camps scheduled this year:
>
> http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pbc4/
>
> And about weekly I get asked when are we (TriZPUG) going to have PyCamp 
> again. (I get very tired just thinking about it.)
>
> I haven't asked Joel Burton about this yet because I want to get your 
> feelings. But what would you think about having a PyCamp concurrent with 
> Plone Boot Camp? Either week? Which? Or both?
>
> Basically, I can't find another time on the UNC calendar this year which 
> would permit it other than the same time as Plone Boot Camp.
>
> Who would come to PyCamp? Would you? Have most of you who would go 
> already been and it's a spent idea?
>
>   


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