Florence Devouard | 29 Jul 2012 13:37
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Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf
>
> accompanied by a Q&A:
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers
>
> The plan was approved by the Board of Trustees at its meeting in
> Washington, DC, at Wikimania, and previously outlined to the
> Foundation staff and interested community members at the monthly staff
> meeting on July 5, 2012. We were planning to publish the video
> recording of that meeting at this point, but encountered technical
> difficulties; the video will hopefully become available soon.
>

Slide 8 : "How are we doing against the 2012 targets"

I was stopped by

"The Global Education Program is now the largest-ever systematic effort 
of the Wikimedia mouvement to boost high quality content creation, with 
a projected addition of 19 million characters to Wikipedia through 
student assignements 2011-2012"

OF COURSE, we all know that WMF needs to glorify what it is actually 
initiating/in charge of. And that's fair enough.
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Federico Leva (Nemo | 29 Jul 2012 15:58
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Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Florence Devouard, 29/07/2012 13:37:
> But seriously... I would feel fine with us trying to claim that the GEP
> is the largest system effort to INCREASE the number of articles. It is
> probably true.
>
> But we all know that the result is... so and so. Possibly good content,
> but also lot's of crap being reverted and deleted afterwards. Claiming
> it is the largest effort to boost high quality content is not only
> disingenous... but I actually find it counter productive and a tiny bit
> offensive toward the actual community.

Another passage is interesting too: «We've successfully brought in 
thousands of students [...] they typically make a small number of edits 
[...] and then leave. [...] initiatives like "Wiki Loves Monuments" have 
also achieved very high multimedia participation in spike months (22K 
uploaders in September 2011, when WLM took place, returning to normal 
levels immediately afterwards).»

Where are the statistics validating this interpretation? I didn't find 
anyone able to answer me how many of the thousands participants to WLM 
contributed to Commons or another project afterwards. Their motivation 
is very different from the students'.

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Tilman Bayer | 29 Jul 2012 18:28
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Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
<nemowiki@...> wrote:
> Florence Devouard, 29/07/2012 13:37:
>
>> But seriously... I would feel fine with us trying to claim that the GEP
>> is the largest system effort to INCREASE the number of articles. It is
>> probably true.
>>
>> But we all know that the result is... so and so. Possibly good content,
>> but also lot's of crap being reverted and deleted afterwards. Claiming
>> it is the largest effort to boost high quality content is not only
>> disingenous... but I actually find it counter productive and a tiny bit
>> offensive toward the actual community.
>
>
> Another passage is interesting too: «We've successfully brought in thousands
> of students [...] they typically make a small number of edits [...] and then
> leave. [...] initiatives like "Wiki Loves Monuments" have also achieved very
> high multimedia participation in spike months (22K uploaders in September
> 2011, when WLM took place, returning to normal levels immediately
> afterwards).»
>
> Where are the statistics validating this interpretation? I didn't find
> anyone able to answer me how many of the thousands participants to WLM
> contributed to Commons or another project afterwards. Their motivation is
> very different from the students'.
Regarding the "normal levels", I suppose you haven't yet had a chance
to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ?

Also, recently Lodewijk, with the help of WMF data analyst Erik
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Federico Leva (Nemo | 30 Jul 2012 08:18
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Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Tilman Bayer, 29/07/2012 18:28:
> Regarding the "normal levels", I suppose you haven't yet had a chance
> to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ?

Yes and it shows that there's still an increase over the pre-WLM 
situation. Actually I was reading 
<http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaCOMMONS.htm> 
which shows the numbers better but still doesn't have the total number 
of uploaders/ussers with at least one edit in a given month.

> Also, recently Lodewijk, with the help of WMF data analyst Erik
> Zachte, posted this interesting analysis:
> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org/new-editors-thanks-to-wiki-loves-monuments/
>
> If I read it correctly, from the newbies among the WLM participants,
> 61 were still active in May 2012. This compares to altogether 7053
> active editors on Commons during that month (the latter number is from
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaCOMMONS.htm ;
> note that a user who makes just one edit or one upload during a month
> falls below the threshold for the currently used active editors
> metric). But as the blog post notes, there are efforts underway to
> improve retention of new contributors in this year's WLM.

Thanks, I had indeed missed this post for some reason. 231 or 6,6 % with 
some activity after the end and 61 very active editors seems to be 
better than what the university students do?
This is also acknowledged later on, at p. 25: «[...] multimedia is where 
early usability efforts (UploadWizard), especially alongside programs 
like Wiki Loves Monuments, have paid off. (Commons is one of the few 
areas where active editors are growing -- 25% year over year, with a 
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Tilman Bayer | 4 Aug 2012 00:02
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Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
<nemowiki@...> wrote:
> Tilman Bayer, 29/07/2012 18:28:
>
>> Regarding the "normal levels", I suppose you haven't yet had a chance
>> to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ?
>
>
> Yes and it shows that there's still an increase over the pre-WLM situation.
Given the size of the normal monthly fluctuations (e.g. July-August
2011: +0.3K, August-October 2011: +0.2K), and the overall upwards
trend during 2011-12, I find it hard to understand the objections to
the interpretation "returning to normal levels".

> Actually I was reading
> <http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaCOMMONS.htm> which
> shows the numbers better but still doesn't have the total number of
> uploaders/ussers with at least one edit in a given month.
It does show the number of users with at least one upload, and those
with at least one mainspace edit (look further down). As an aside, it
also contains numbers for uploads made using UploadWizard, strongly
supporting the statement that much of the 2011-12 growth was due to
this usability improvement, cf. the statement on slide 25 you already
cited below.
>
>
>> Also, recently Lodewijk, with the help of WMF data analyst Erik
>> Zachte, posted this interesting analysis:
>>
>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org/new-editors-thanks-to-wiki-loves-monuments/
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Federico Leva (Nemo | 12 Aug 2012 09:26
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Tilman Bayer, 08/04/2012 12:02 AM:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
> wrote:
>> Tilman Bayer, 29/07/2012 18:28:
>>
>>> Regarding the "normal levels", I suppose you haven't yet had a chance
>>> to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ?
>>
>>
>> Yes and it shows that there's still an increase over the pre-WLM situation.
> Given the size of the normal monthly fluctuations (e.g. July-August
> 2011: +0.3K, August-October 2011: +0.2K), and the overall upwards
> trend during 2011-12, I find it hard to understand the objections to
> the interpretation "returning to normal levels".

I wasn't objecting to it, I only asked where to find the data. :-)
To me, it seems to have stabilized on a slightly higher level.

>
>> Actually I was reading
>> <http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaCOMMONS.htm> which
>> shows the numbers better but still doesn't have the total number of
>> uploaders/ussers with at least one edit in a given month.
> It does show the number of users with at least one upload, and those
> with at least one mainspace edit (look further down). As an aside, it
> also contains numbers for uploads made using UploadWizard, strongly
> supporting the statement that much of the 2011-12 growth was due to
> this usability improvement, cf. the statement on slide 25 you already
> cited below.

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Tilman Bayer | 29 Jul 2012 23:17
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Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Florence Devouard
<anthere9@...> wrote:
> On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at
>>
>>
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf
>>
>> accompanied by a Q&A:
>>
>>
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers
>>
>> The plan was approved by the Board of Trustees at its meeting in
>> Washington, DC, at Wikimania, and previously outlined to the
>> Foundation staff and interested community members at the monthly staff
>> meeting on July 5, 2012. We were planning to publish the video
>> recording of that meeting at this point, but encountered technical
>> difficulties; the video will hopefully become available soon.
>>
>
> Slide 8 : "How are we doing against the 2012 targets"
>
> I was stopped by
>
> "The Global Education Program is now the largest-ever systematic effort of
> the Wikimedia mouvement to boost high quality content creation, with a
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John Vandenberg | 29 Jul 2012 23:39
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Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Jul 30, 2012 7:18 AM, "Tilman Bayer" <tbayer@...> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Florence Devouard <anthere9@...>
wrote:
> > On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published
at
> >>
> >>
> >>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf
> >>
> >> accompanied by a Q&A:
> >>
> >>
> >>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers
> >>
> >> The plan was approved by the Board of Trustees at its meeting in
> >> Washington, DC, at Wikimania, and previously outlined to the
> >> Foundation staff and interested community members at the monthly staff
> >> meeting on July 5, 2012. We were planning to publish the video
> >> recording of that meeting at this point, but encountered technical
> >> difficulties; the video will hopefully become available soon.
> >>
> >
> > Slide 8 : "How are we doing against the 2012 targets"
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Carcharoth | 30 Jul 2012 15:29

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

The thread started on wikimedia-l here, if anyone here wants to read
the background to this:

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-July/121418.html

Carcharoth

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Carcharoth | 30 Jul 2012 15:32

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On 7/30/12, Carcharoth <carcharothwp <at> googlemail.com> wrote:
> The thread started on wikimedia-l here, if anyone here wants to read
> the background to this:
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-July/121418.html

PS. Here also:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget

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LiAnna Davis | 30 Jul 2012 17:43
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Hi John,

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb@...> wrote:
> Ive asked for more info at
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample

I did my best to answer your question there.

>
>> . The quantitative method used there has its limitations, but similar
>> methods are employed in independent (i.e non-WMF) research about
>> Wikipedia in the academic literature.
>
> Do you have links to any relevant studies of the GEP?
>

For the English Wikipedia, you might be interested in the Article
Quality Improvement section of the Public Policy Initiative Learning
Points document[1] (that project was the pilot of the U.S. Education
Program). Last term, because of some of the limitations Tilman
referenced above, I worked with English Wikipedia editors Mike
Christie ([[User:Mike Christie]]) and Doc James ([[User:Jmh649]]) to
run a modified version of the Public Policy research, where a corps of
volunteer Wikipedians edited a random sample of student work from last
term. We hired an outside researcher to cross-tabulate the good
classes (as determined by the quality improvement shown) with a series
of factors present in the various classes (so, for example, how many
Ambassadors did the class have? Were they undergraduate or graduate
classes? Did the professor edit Wikipedia? etc.). We're expecting the
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John Vandenberg | 31 Jul 2012 00:11
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Re: [Wikimedia Education] [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Jul 31, 2012 1:43 AM, "LiAnna Davis" <ldavis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb@...> wrote:
> > Ive asked for more info at
> >
> >
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample
>
> I did my best to answer your question there.

Ive replied with more specific questions.

This research was mentioned because of bold statements in the annual plan,
and Tilman Bayer mentioned this blog post:

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/

Which says U.S. Education Program users are three times better than other
users.

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LiAnna Davis | 31 Jul 2012 00:24
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:11 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb@...> wrote:
>
> Ive replied with more specific questions.
>
> This research was mentioned because of bold statements in the annual plan,
> and Tilman Bayer mentioned this blog post:
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/
>
> Which says U.S. Education Program users are three times better than other
> users.

Just to clarify, it says three times better than other *new* editors,
not established editors! New is a very key word there.

I'm afraid I don't know the answers to the questions you posted as I
was not involved in any of the methodology of this particular
research, but I will see if I can find answers for you.

LiAnna

--

-- 
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Wikipedia Education Program Communications Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
http://education.wikimedia.org
(415) 839-6885 x6649
ldavis@...

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LiAnna Davis | 31 Jul 2012 00:24
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:11 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ive replied with more specific questions.
>
> This research was mentioned because of bold statements in the annual plan,
> and Tilman Bayer mentioned this blog post:
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/
>
> Which says U.S. Education Program users are three times better than other
> users.

Just to clarify, it says three times better than other *new* editors,
not established editors! New is a very key word there.

I'm afraid I don't know the answers to the questions you posted as I
was not involved in any of the methodology of this particular
research, but I will see if I can find answers for you.

LiAnna

--

-- 
LiAnna Davis
Wikipedia Education Program Communications Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
http://education.wikimedia.org
(415) 839-6885 x6649
ldavis <at> wikimedia.org

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John Vandenberg | 31 Jul 2012 00:11
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On Jul 31, 2012 1:43 AM, "LiAnna Davis" <ldavis <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ive asked for more info at
> >
> >
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample
>
> I did my best to answer your question there.

Ive replied with more specific questions.

This research was mentioned because of bold statements in the annual plan,
and Tilman Bayer mentioned this blog post:

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/

Which says U.S. Education Program users are three times better than other
users.

--
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LiAnna Davis | 30 Jul 2012 17:43
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Hi John,

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Ive asked for more info at
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample

I did my best to answer your question there.

>
>> . The quantitative method used there has its limitations, but similar
>> methods are employed in independent (i.e non-WMF) research about
>> Wikipedia in the academic literature.
>
> Do you have links to any relevant studies of the GEP?
>

For the English Wikipedia, you might be interested in the Article
Quality Improvement section of the Public Policy Initiative Learning
Points document[1] (that project was the pilot of the U.S. Education
Program). Last term, because of some of the limitations Tilman
referenced above, I worked with English Wikipedia editors Mike
Christie ([[User:Mike Christie]]) and Doc James ([[User:Jmh649]]) to
run a modified version of the Public Policy research, where a corps of
volunteer Wikipedians edited a random sample of student work from last
term. We hired an outside researcher to cross-tabulate the good
classes (as determined by the quality improvement shown) with a series
of factors present in the various classes (so, for example, how many
Ambassadors did the class have? Were they undergraduate or graduate
classes? Did the professor edit Wikipedia? etc.). We're expecting the
(Continue reading)

John Vandenberg | 29 Jul 2012 23:39
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Jul 30, 2012 7:18 AM, "Tilman Bayer" <tbayer <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Florence Devouard <anthere9 <at> yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published
at
> >>
> >>
> >>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf
> >>
> >> accompanied by a Q&A:
> >>
> >>
> >>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers
> >>
> >> The plan was approved by the Board of Trustees at its meeting in
> >> Washington, DC, at Wikimania, and previously outlined to the
> >> Foundation staff and interested community members at the monthly staff
> >> meeting on July 5, 2012. We were planning to publish the video
> >> recording of that meeting at this point, but encountered technical
> >> difficulties; the video will hopefully become available soon.
> >>
> >
> > Slide 8 : "How are we doing against the 2012 targets"
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Andreas Kolbe | 4 Aug 2012 17:36
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Tilman Bayer <tbayer@...> wrote:

> Of course, here the term "high quality" does not necessarily mean,
> say, featured content (e.g. on the English Wikipedia, featured
> articles currently make up less than 0.1% of the total articles), but
> instead refers to comparisons with average contributions.
>
> Someone from the Education Program will be able to give a more
> thorough overview of the efforts to evaluate its results, but for
> example I'm aware of
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/
> . The quantitative method used there has its limitations, but similar
> methods are employed in independent (i.e non-WMF) research about
> Wikipedia in the academic literature.
>

It certainly does have limitations. Let's look at what it says:

---o0o---

In the Wikipedia Education Program, professors assign their students to
edit Wikipedia articles as a grade for class, assisted by volunteer
Wikipedia Ambassadors. In fall 2011, 55 courses participated in the program
in the United States, with students editing articles on the English
Wikipedia. On average, these students added 1855 bytes of content that
stayed on Wikipedia, compared to only 491 for a randomly chosen sample of
new users who joined English Wikipedia in September 2011. These numbers
establish that students who participate in the Wikipedia Education Program
contribute significantly more quality content that stays on Wikipedia than
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