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bugzilla-daemon | 18 Aug 2012 21:07
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[Bug 39472] New: fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39472

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             Bug #: 39472
           Summary: fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction
           Product: MediaWiki extensions
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: Unprioritized
         Component: Babel
        AssignedTo: wikibugs-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org
        ReportedBy: hubert.bossot <at> gmail.com
                CC: asharma <at> wikimedia.org, s.mazeland <at> xs4all.nl,
                    srik.lak <at> gmail.com
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Hello,
We've migrated {{babel}} to {{#babel}} and the result is displayed as well, BUT
no category is added, so that our user by language one is now empty.

Moreover the Babel_AutoCreate user which should have worked isn't created at
all:

http://fr.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Babel_AutoCreate

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bugzilla-daemon | 18 Aug 2012 21:13
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

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--- Comment #1 from JackPotte <hubert.bossot <at> gmail.com> 2012-08-18 19:13:37 UTC ---
The same problem occurs on fr.wikibooks, fr.wikiversity, and fr.wikinews,
whereas on the other French projects it works.

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bugzilla-daemon | 18 Aug 2012 21:22
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39472

Krenair <krenair <at> gmail.com> changed:

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           Keywords|                            |shellpolicy
                 CC|                            |benapetr <at> gmail.com,
                   |                            |krenair <at> gmail.com,
                   |                            |wikimedia.bugs <at> snowolf.eu
          Component|Babel                       |Site configuration
            Product|MediaWiki extensions        |Wikimedia

--- Comment #2 from Krenair <krenair <at> gmail.com> 2012-08-18 19:22:11 UTC ---
This is probably because these wikis (frwikiquote, frwikibooks, frwikiversity,
frwikinews) have no entries in $wmgBabelCategoryNames.

Are there a community discussions on this problem(?) indicating that there
should be categories?

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bugzilla-daemon | 18 Aug 2012 21:33
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

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--- Comment #3 from JackPotte <hubert.bossot <at> gmail.com> 2012-08-18 19:33:28 UTC ---
Not recently, but these categories had been created for years, and nobody
planned to delete them.

http://fr.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Utilisateurs_par_langue
http://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Utilisateurs_par_langue
http://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Utilisateurs_par_langues
http://fr.wikinews.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Utilisateur_par_langue

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bugzilla-daemon | 18 Aug 2012 23:07
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39472

Sam Reed (reedy) <sam <at> reedyboy.net> changed:

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bugzilla-daemon | 7 Sep 2012 16:45
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

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Dereckson <dereckson <at> espace-win.org> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |ASSIGNED
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           Severity|normal                      |enhancement

--- Comment #4 from Dereckson <dereckson <at> espace-win.org> 2012-09-07 14:45:21 UTC ---
Discussion page:
https://fr.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Le_Salon/septembre_2012#Configuration_Babel

Taking this bug. Gerrit change 23076.

Please open 3 other bugs for frwikibooks, frwikiversity and frwikinews.

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bugzilla-daemon | 7 Sep 2012 19:21
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

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--- Comment #5 from JackPotte <hubert.bossot <at> gmail.com> 2012-09-07 17:21:24 UTC ---
The Gerrit change returns 
 Application Error
 The page you requested was not found, or you do not have permission to view
this page.

The process you've exposed doesn't seem to be normal, is there a consensus
about it?

Actually the Babel extension has been deployed on all the foundation wikis,
which is an invitation to use it, even more as it's more practical than our old
templates. Templates which are still on fr.wikiquote, frwikibooks,
frwikiversity and frwikinews.

So as its categories had been properly configured without any consensus on
fr.wiktionary for example, it should be done everywhere as well. Otherwise the
users may fall in this trap like I did, by using an unconfigured validated
extension.

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bugzilla-daemon | 7 Sep 2012 19:43
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

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--- Comment #6 from Dereckson <dereckson <at> espace-win.org> 2012-09-07 17:43:31 UTC ---
Gerrit. Yes, we've a Gerrit issue, drafts aren't public in application
interface but are available on Gitweb. I'm publishing the config change if you
wish.

Local consensus. Every configuration request should get a local consensus. We
can make exception for inactive wikis at our discretion. But fr.wikiquote has a
community, so you're responsible to discuss any configuration change you want
there. This process allows everybody to make comments. Of course, for a trivial
config change, a full prise de décision isn't needed. An informal discussion on
the salon (which is your village pump) seems enough to be (but ultimately, it's
up to your community to define what is acceptable or not as process to get
local consensus).

Precedents. I personally previously handled bug #37401 (Siebrand approval for
fo.) and bug #37981 (explicit no active community mention in the bug).

Babel deployment. The feature isn't really known by the users, so as long as a
wiki doesn't use it/document it, this is not an issue.

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bugzilla-daemon | 26 Sep 2012 11:07
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

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Dereckson <dereckson <at> espace-win.org> changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Dereckson <dereckson <at> espace-win.org> 2012-09-26 09:07:10 UTC ---
[ shellpolicy -> shell ]

The issue has been publicized more than 2 weeks on the local village pump and
received no objection.

I discussed the issue with experienced French projects contributors, among them
Linedwell, who also followed the Babel extension deployment, and we have the
feeling a non controversial change, following years of userboxes practices,
with notification and no objection does constitute a local consensus.

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bugzilla-daemon | 28 Sep 2012 22:17
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[Bug 39472] fr.wikiquote Babel malfunction

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Dereckson <dereckson <at> espace-win.org> changed:

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         Resolution|                            |FIXED

--- Comment #8 from Dereckson <dereckson <at> espace-win.org> 2012-09-28 20:17:55 UTC ---
Merged by Reedy.

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