Lodewijk | 8 Aug 2012 13:19

Deadlines: please check

Hi all,


I would like to repeat the deadlines from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the final deadlines on Saturday. 

* August 27: Upload wizard and websites should be ready. 
* August 30: Crucial infrastructure should be translated to your local languages, banner info should be ready and translated. English summary page should be available for each country. 
* 1 September - 30 September: actual contest. Banners up. (exception Israel, which is using the hebrew months, but will follow the other deadlines)
* October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make sure this is a realistic deadline for you. 
* November 18: The international jury needs to have its results ready. This can't be much later, because we would like to produce calendars again, but this time get them delivered before the end of the year. 

I would appreciate it also if some people could confirm this is realistic and workable for them. 

Best,
Lodewijk
<div>
<p>Hi all,</p>
<div><br></div>
<div>I would like to repeat the deadlines from&nbsp;<a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline</a>&nbsp;once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the final deadlines on Saturday.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>* August 27: Upload wizard and websites should be ready.&nbsp;</div>
<div>* August 30: Crucial infrastructure should be translated to your local languages, banner info should be ready and translated. English summary page should be available for each country.&nbsp;</div>

<div>* 1 September - 30 September: actual contest. Banners up. (exception Israel, which is using the hebrew months, but will follow the other deadlines)</div>
<div>* October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make sure this is a realistic deadline for you.&nbsp;</div>

<div>* November 18: The international jury needs to have its results ready. This can't be much later, because we would like to produce calendars again, but this time get them delivered before the end of the year.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>I would appreciate it also if some people could confirm this is realistic and workable for them.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Lodewijk</div>
</div>
Lourie Pieterse | 8 Aug 2012 15:51
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WLM Deadlines

Hello everyone

Please see the email from Lodewijk below. Are everyone happy with these deadlines?

Kind regards
Lourie

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Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Deadlines: please check

Hi all,

I would like to repeat the deadlines from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the final deadlines on Saturday. 

* August 27: Upload wizard and websites should be ready. 
* August 30: Crucial infrastructure should be translated to your local languages, banner info should be ready and translated. English summary page should be available for each country. 
* 1 September - 30 September: actual contest. Banners up. (exception Israel, which is using the hebrew months, but will follow the other deadlines)
* October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make sure this is a realistic deadline for you. 
* November 18: The international jury needs to have its results ready. This can't be much later, because we would like to produce calendars again, but this time get them delivered before the end of the year. 

I would appreciate it also if some people could confirm this is realistic and workable for them. 

Best,
Lodewijk

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David Richfield | 8 Aug 2012 16:26
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We'll have to be happy with the deadlines, I guess.  As and when there
is work that I can usefully contribute to the WLM websites, please
post about it repeatedly on the mailing lists!

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Lourie Pieterse
<louriepieterse@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> Please see the email from Lodewijk below. Are everyone happy with these
> deadlines?
>
> Kind regards
> Lourie
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Lodewijk <lodewijk@...>
> To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
> <wikilovesmonuments@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 1:19 PM
> Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Deadlines: please check
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to repeat the deadlines from
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline
> once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is
> not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially
> the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the
> final deadlines on Saturday.
>
> * August 27: Upload wizard and websites should be ready.
> * August 30: Crucial infrastructure should be translated to your local
> languages, banner info should be ready and translated. English summary page
> should be available for each country.
> * 1 September - 30 September: actual contest. Banners up. (exception Israel,
> which is using the hebrew months, but will follow the other deadlines)
> * October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the
> international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed
> publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline
> might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make
> sure this is a realistic deadline for you.
> * November 18: The international jury needs to have its results ready. This
> can't be much later, because we would like to produce calendars again, but
> this time get them delivered before the end of the year.
>
> I would appreciate it also if some people could confirm this is realistic
> and workable for them.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
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Platonides | 8 Aug 2012 18:09
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Re: Deadlines: please check

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Lodewijk
<lodewijk@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to repeat the deadlines from
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline
> once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is
> not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially
> the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the
> final deadlines on Saturday.

> * October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the
> international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed
> publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline
> might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make
> sure this is a realistic deadline for you.

Last year the deadline was on October 31, and several countries had
problems to get the results by that date. I don't think this year it
will be less problematic.
What was the rationale for cutting down the date? I wouldn't have moved it.

Regards

Lodewijk | 8 Aug 2012 18:36

Re: Deadlines: please check

Hi,


the rationale is the date when we want the final results to be in. We want to be able to send out the calendars by mid December - that means we need a design- and production cycle before that. Our estimate is that we need to start that by November 20. That also gives us a nice time frame to announce the results officially after collecting more info about the actual winners. 

My estimate is that the international jury needs 3-4 weeks to come to a result based on all these high quality images from all these different cultures. Hence that we came to October 21, which leaves a few days leeway. 

If it is totally unrealistic, we will have to put it later - but from our point of view the 21 would definitely fit in best. That leaves 3 weeks for your national jury to come to a result. Last year I think only one country didn't make the deadline of October 31, and that was because one specific judge didn't reply (and that combined with, as I understood it, nobody chasing the process at the first weeks). 

Best, 
Lodewijk

2012/8/8 Platonides <platonides-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk-fKAfwP3CAQsCZO4uVk6Flx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to repeat the deadlines from
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline
> once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is
> not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially
> the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the
> final deadlines on Saturday.

> * October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the
> international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed
> publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline
> might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make
> sure this is a realistic deadline for you.

Last year the deadline was on October 31, and several countries had
problems to get the results by that date. I don't think this year it
will be less problematic.
What was the rationale for cutting down the date? I wouldn't have moved it.

Regards

<div>
<p>Hi,</p>
<div><br></div>
<div>the rationale is the date when we want the final results to be in. We want to be able to send out the calendars by mid December - that means we need a design- and production cycle before that. Our estimate is that we need to start that by November 20. That also gives us a nice time frame to announce the results officially after collecting more info about the actual winners.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>My estimate is that the international jury needs 3-4 weeks to come to a result based on all these high quality images from all these different cultures. Hence that we came to October 21, which leaves a few days leeway.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>If it is totally unrealistic, we will have to put it later - but from our point of view the 21 would definitely fit in best. That leaves 3 weeks for your national jury to come to a result. Last year I think only one country didn't make the deadline of October 31, and that was because one specific judge didn't reply (and that combined with, as I understood it, nobody chasing the process at the first weeks).&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>Best,&nbsp;</div>
<div>Lodewijk</div>
<div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/8 Platonides <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:platonides@..." target="_blank">platonides@...</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">

<div class="im">On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Lodewijk &lt;<a href="mailto:lodewijk@...">lodewijk@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I would like to repeat the deadlines from<br>
&gt; <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline" target="_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline</a><br>
&gt; once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is<br>
&gt; not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially<br>
&gt; the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the<br>
&gt; final deadlines on Saturday.<br><br>
</div>
<div class="im">&gt; * October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the<br>
&gt; international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed<br>
&gt; publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline<br>
&gt; might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make<br>
&gt; sure this is a realistic deadline for you.<br><br>
</div>Last year the deadline was on October 31, and several countries had<br>
problems to get the results by that date. I don't think this year it<br>
will be less problematic.<br>
What was the rationale for cutting down the date? I wouldn't have moved it.<br><br>
Regards<br><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<br>
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Platonides | 8 Aug 2012 18:58
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Re: Deadlines: please check

Last year we had to sprint for having the results at the deadline, and
I think that we were not alone (I don't remember the details and I
wouldn't like to name countries, either).
We spent the first weeks preparing the images and transfering from
flickr, and participation overwhelmed us, too. We will adapt to
whatever date is agreed, and I'm sure countries from last year will be
very alert for avoiding previous pitfalls, but as there are many new
countries, I expect the same problems to arise again.
How realistic is it, I suspect we will only know on September 30, when
counting the provided images.
As the international jury has a known pool size of 340 images (albeit
a very good set), it may make more sense to give 3 weeks to the
international jury and 4 for the local. But we can also keep the
current dates and expand them if needed.

Best regards

Lodewijk | 8 Aug 2012 19:01

Re: Deadlines: please check

If we need to expand that, I'm happy (personally) to make adjustments but I'd rather agree on that now than being forced to by juries being late :) So your input is valued. I hope more people will give their opinion on it. 


Lodewijk

2012/8/8 Platonides <platonides-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Last year we had to sprint for having the results at the deadline, and
I think that we were not alone (I don't remember the details and I
wouldn't like to name countries, either).
We spent the first weeks preparing the images and transfering from
flickr, and participation overwhelmed us, too. We will adapt to
whatever date is agreed, and I'm sure countries from last year will be
very alert for avoiding previous pitfalls, but as there are many new
countries, I expect the same problems to arise again.
How realistic is it, I suspect we will only know on September 30, when
counting the provided images.
As the international jury has a known pool size of 340 images (albeit
a very good set), it may make more sense to give 3 weeks to the
international jury and 4 for the local. But we can also keep the
current dates and expand them if needed.

Best regards

<div>
<p>If we need to expand that, I'm happy (personally) to make adjustments but I'd rather agree on that now than being forced to by juries being late :) So your input is valued. I hope more people will give their opinion on it.&nbsp;</p>
<div>

<br>
</div>
<div>Lodewijk<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/8 Platonides <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:platonides@..." target="_blank">platonides@...</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">

Last year we had to sprint for having the results at the deadline, and<br>
I think that we were not alone (I don't remember the details and I<br>
wouldn't like to name countries, either).<br>
We spent the first weeks preparing the images and transfering from<br>
flickr, and participation overwhelmed us, too. We will adapt to<br>
whatever date is agreed, and I'm sure countries from last year will be<br>
very alert for avoiding previous pitfalls, but as there are many new<br>
countries, I expect the same problems to arise again.<br>
How realistic is it, I suspect we will only know on September 30, when<br>
counting the provided images.<br>
As the international jury has a known pool size of 340 images (albeit<br>
a very good set), it may make more sense to give 3 weeks to the<br>
international jury and 4 for the local. But we can also keep the<br>
current dates and expand them if needed.<br><br>
Best regards<br><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<br>
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</blockquote>
</div>
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Beppo Stuhl | 9 Aug 2012 19:30
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Hello,
in Austria we have a two-step jury. The first preselects the pictures to 500 to 1000, the second finds the
prize winners. Last year we could only cope with the mass of photographs giving each jury member a part of
the photos to preselect alone, without having a four-eye-principle. This year more jury members will
have a look at the same photos and sum up their decisions. Therefore they will have to begin early, during
September. But as you all know, most of the pictures, taken during September will be upoaded last minute.

So we will be ready with the preselection after 14 days but then have to hand them over to the main jury. They
will need one week and one weekend to look to the photos, then meet and make a decision. We cannot instruct
them to meet exactly on Sunday 21 October, to meet the requested deadline. So they might meet in the
following week and have the prize winners ready on 25 October. 

Four weeks will be required without imposing too much stress to the volunteer jury.
Best regards
Beppo

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> Datum: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:01:56 +0200
> Von: Lodewijk <lodewijk@...>
> An: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments@...>
> Betreff: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Deadlines: please check

> If we need to expand that, I'm happy (personally) to make adjustments but
> I'd rather agree on that now than being forced to by juries being late :)
> So your input is valued. I hope more people will give their opinion on it.
> 
> Lodewijk
> 
> 2012/8/8 Platonides <platonides@...>
> 
> > Last year we had to sprint for having the results at the deadline, and
> > I think that we were not alone (I don't remember the details and I
> > wouldn't like to name countries, either).
> > We spent the first weeks preparing the images and transfering from
> > flickr, and participation overwhelmed us, too. We will adapt to
> > whatever date is agreed, and I'm sure countries from last year will be
> > very alert for avoiding previous pitfalls, but as there are many new
> > countries, I expect the same problems to arise again.
> > How realistic is it, I suspect we will only know on September 30, when
> > counting the provided images.
> > As the international jury has a known pool size of 340 images (albeit
> > a very good set), it may make more sense to give 3 weeks to the
> > international jury and 4 for the local. But we can also keep the
> > current dates and expand them if needed.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list
> > WikiLovesMonuments@...
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
> > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
> >

Samuel Klein | 9 Aug 2012 20:30
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FYI for those interested in monumentalism.


I gave a talk to a group of hs and college students recently, whow anted to know what to do to start editing.  "do you love monuments?"  "yes!"  they all loved the wlm website and started plotting in their own neighborhoods :-)   "how cool that chicago has N different districts already!"

SJ

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To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments <at> lists.wikimedia.org>


Hi all,

I would like to repeat the deadlines from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline once again, and would like to hear it very soon if one of the deadlines is not realistic for you, or if you have good reasons to change it. Especially the October 21 deadline is important. With that information, we will set the final deadlines on Saturday. 

* August 27: Upload wizard and websites should be ready. 
* August 30: Crucial infrastructure should be translated to your local languages, banner info should be ready and translated. English summary page should be available for each country. 
* 1 September - 30 September: actual contest. Banners up. (exception Israel, which is using the hebrew months, but will follow the other deadlines)
* October 21: Deadline for submitting the 10 nominations for the international contest. This can be a private submission (with delayed publishing) and they do not have to be ordered. Being late for this deadline might result in having no nominations in the international contest - so make sure this is a realistic deadline for you. 
* November 18: The international jury needs to have its results ready. This can't be much later, because we would like to produce calendars again, but this time get them delivered before the end of the year. 

I would appreciate it also if some people could confirm this is realistic and workable for them. 

Best,
Lodewijk

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Dear all,
As was previously advised, the competition in Israel during the Hebrew month of Tishrey, i.e. between 14th September and 15th October. Thus the deadline is very near the end of the competition, leaving us only one week to rate all the pictures. If extending by one week is possible, it would be greatly appreciated.
Deror
<div><div>
<div>Dear all,</div>
<div>As was previously advised, the competition in Israel during the Hebrew month of Tishrey, i.e. between 14th September and 15th October. Thus the deadline is very near the end of the competition, leaving us only one week to rate all the pictures. If extending by one week is possible, it would be greatly appreciated.</div>
<div>Deror</div>
</div></div>
Platonides | 11 Aug 2012 17:41
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Seems the October 21 deadline has been moved to November 1, with
October 21 as a soft deadline.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AWiki_Loves_Monuments_2012%2FTimeline&diff=75754560&oldid=69246544

Lodewijk | 11 Aug 2012 20:45

Re: Deadlines: please check

Hi all,


as some already noticed, we indeed decided to move back this deadline to hand in the 10 nominations per country BEFORE October 31, 23:59 UTC because it was a problem for many countries. This is a hard deadline, please be aware that there is now no more flexibility in the date - we strongly advise to hand in your nominations before then if available. You can send them directly to me, or to an address to be communicated later. 

Hope this helps you,

Lodewijk

2012/8/10 Deror Avi <deror_avi <at> yahoo.com>
Dear all,
As was previously advised, the competition in Israel during the Hebrew month of Tishrey, i.e. between 14th September and 15th October. Thus the deadline is very near the end of the competition, leaving us only one week to rate all the pictures. If extending by one week is possible, it would be greatly appreciated.
Deror

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<div>
<p>Hi all,</p>
<div><br></div>
<div>as some already noticed, we indeed decided to move back this deadline to hand in the 10 nominations per country BEFORE October 31, 23:59 UTC because it was a problem for many countries. This is a hard deadline, please be aware that there is now no more flexibility in the date - we strongly advise to hand in your nominations before then if available. You can send them directly to me, or to an address to be communicated later.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>Hope this helps you,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Lodewijk</div>
<div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/10 Deror Avi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:deror_avi@..." target="_blank">deror_avi <at> yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
<div><div>
<div>Dear all,</div>
<div>As was previously advised, the competition in Israel during the Hebrew month of Tishrey, i.e. between 14th September and 15th October. Thus the deadline is very near the end of the competition, leaving us only one week to rate all the pictures. If extending by one week is possible, it would be greatly appreciated.</div>

<span><div>Deror</div></span>
</div></div>
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