Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >I've made a new version of ed available for installation. This version >is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. They're still updating ed!?!?! - Barry Disclaimer: Statements made herein are not made on behalf of NIAID.
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: >Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >>I've made a new version of ed available for installation. This version >>is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. > >They're still updating ed!?!?! Heh. I was pretty surprised too. I couldn't believe I'd missed several revisions. Who in the world still uses ed? cgf
On 2012-04-23 18:16, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: >> Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >>> I've made a new version of ed available for installation. This version >>> is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. >> >> They're still updating ed!?!?! > > Heh. > > I was pretty surprised too. I couldn't believe I'd missed several revisions. > > Who in the world still uses ed? http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/dindex/sys-apps/ed http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/rindex/sys-apps/ed Yaakov
On 23 April 2012 19:45, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: > On 2012-04-23 18:16, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) >> [E] wrote: >>> >>> Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >>>> >>>> I've made a new version of ed available for installation. This version >>>> is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. >>> >>> They're still updating ed!?!?! >> >> Heh. >> >> I was pretty surprised too. I couldn't believe I'd missed several >> revisions. >> >> Who in the world still uses ed? > > http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/dindex/sys-apps/ed > http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/rindex/sys-apps/ed The mksh testsuite requires ed to run successfully as well. Chris -- -- Chris Sutcliffe http://emergedesktop.org(Continue reading)
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 06:26:00AM -0400, Chris Sutcliffe wrote: >On 23 April 2012 19:45, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: >> On 2012-04-23 18:16, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) >>> [E] wrote: >>>> >>>> Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >>>>> >>>>> I've made a new version of ed available for installation. ?This version >>>>> is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. >>>> >>>> They're still updating ed!?!?! >>> >>> Heh. >>> >>> I was pretty surprised too. ?I couldn't believe I'd missed several >>> revisions. >>> >>> Who in the world still uses ed? >> >> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/dindex/sys-apps/ed >> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/rindex/sys-apps/ed > >The mksh testsuite requires ed to run successfully as well. I think Barry expressed my incredulity a little more clearly. I can believe that there are old configure scripts out there still using ed but it's hard to believe that people are still uncovering enough(Continue reading)
On Apr 24 10:35, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 06:26:00AM -0400, Chris Sutcliffe wrote: > >On 23 April 2012 19:45, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: > >> On 2012-04-23 18:16, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) > >>> [E] wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM > >>>>> > >>>>> I've made a new version of ed available for installation. ?This version > >>>>> is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. > >>>> > >>>> They're still updating ed!?!?! > >>> > >>> Heh. > >>> > >>> I was pretty surprised too. ?I couldn't believe I'd missed several > >>> revisions. > >>> > >>> Who in the world still uses ed? > >> > >> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/dindex/sys-apps/ed > >> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/rindex/sys-apps/ed > > > >The mksh testsuite requires ed to run successfully as well. > > I think Barry expressed my incredulity a little more clearly. > > I can believe that there are old configure scripts out there still using(Continue reading)
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 05:01:35PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Apr 24 10:35, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 06:26:00AM -0400, Chris Sutcliffe wrote: >> >On 23 April 2012 19:45, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: >> >> On 2012-04-23 18:16, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) >> >>> [E] wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I've made a new version of ed available for installation. ?This version >> >>>>> is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. >> >>>> >> >>>> They're still updating ed!?!?! >> >>> >> >>> Heh. >> >>> >> >>> I was pretty surprised too. ?I couldn't believe I'd missed several >> >>> revisions. >> >>> >> >>> Who in the world still uses ed? >> >> >> >> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/dindex/sys-apps/ed >> >> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/rindex/sys-apps/ed >> > >> >The mksh testsuite requires ed to run successfully as well. >> >> I think Barry expressed my incredulity a little more clearly. >>(Continue reading)
On 4/24/2012 9:01 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > Maybe it's just some code cleanup to convert ed into a ful-fledged > GUI editor... GUI ed...ye effin gods.... When you drag and drop a text file on it, does it open the new file, append to the existing file, or say '?'. No what am I saying. Of course it says '?'. That's what ed does.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 09:16:25PM -0600, Warren Young wrote: >On 4/24/2012 9:01 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> Maybe it's just some code cleanup to convert ed into a ful-fledged >> GUI editor... > >GUI ed...ye effin gods.... > >When you drag and drop a text file on it, does it open the new file, >append to the existing file, or say '?'. > >No what am I saying. Of course it says '?'. That's what ed does. The '?' actually rotates in three-dimensions in the GUI version. It's quite impressive.
Christopher Faylor wrote on April 23, 2012 7:17 PM >On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: >>Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >>>I've made a new version of ed available for installation. This version >>>is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. >> >>They're still updating ed!?!?! > >I was pretty surprised too. I couldn't believe I'd missed several revisions. > >Who in the world still uses ed? I was thinking more along the lines of "They are still finding bugs!?!?!" and "They are still adding features!?!?!" Can we agree that ed is a better exemplar of software that just won't go away than B20? - Barry Disclaimer: Statements made herein are not made on behalf of NIAID.
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 09:33:45PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: >Christopher Faylor wrote on April 23, 2012 7:17 PM >>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: >>>Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >>>>I've made a new version of ed available for installation. This version >>>>is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. >>> >>>They're still updating ed!?!?! >> >>I was pretty surprised too. I couldn't believe I'd missed several revisions. >> >>Who in the world still uses ed? > >I was thinking more along the lines of "They are still finding >bugs!?!?!" and "They are still adding features!?!?!" > >Can we agree that ed is a better exemplar of software that just won't >go away than B20? Yes, I think we have to concede that point. cgf
Long ago (circa 1979), and far away (Ball Labs, CO), I wrote a text retrieval system in 'ed'. Shortly thereafter, I started using MicroEmacs. I later replaced 'ed' in the retrieval system with 'ex' and awk. (I always disliked 'vi' -- the visual editor-wannabe.) Before that, circa 1975, I used a programmable forms letter system, called 'fed' on a pre-BSD (PDP 11-45?, at NASA Ames) that used 'ed' for a very flexible form letter system, that I used to get my job at Bell Labs. Now, I use TextPad. Nice, but all but dead, and only single platform -- Windows -- and missing some key features. BTW, 'ed' is not, by far, the worst editor that I ever used. 'edlin' was worse, by far, 'and 'Inted' on the HP 21MX, was the very worst. Also, 'learn', a very clever computer learning system for UNIX (TM -- some damn bunch of ganiff lawyers(Continue reading)) and the shell (Bourne), by Kernighan, was based, in part, on 'ed'. 'ed' -- long may it wave[r].
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 04:38:45AM -0400, Lee D. Rothstein wrote: >Long ago (circa 1979), and far away (Ball Labs, CO), I wrote a >text retrieval system in 'ed'. Shortly thereafter, I started >using MicroEmacs. Ok. Someone has to say it, I guess: Hitler.
Christopher Faylor wrote on April 26, 2012 10:41 AM >Ok. Someone has to say it, I guess: > >Hitler. Let's leave Ed Hitler (1894-1900) out of this. (See Edmund http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_family#1890s et seq.) - Barry Disclaimer: Statements made herein are not made on behalf of NIAID.
On 4/26/2012 2:38 AM, Lee D. Rothstein wrote: > Long ago (circa 1979), and far away (Ball Labs, CO), I wrote a > text retrieval system in 'ed'. Shortly thereafter, I started > using MicroEmacs. In a recent discussion -- http://goo.gl/SYoXB -- Walter Bright mentioned that he still uses a customized version of MicroEmacs. He pointed out that he doesn't feel the need for Emacs Lisp and such, since he can just add the feature to the program and rebuild it. That's our Walter. :) > Now, I use TextPad. Nice, but all but dead, and only single > platform -- Windows -- and missing some key features. I've got a license for TextPad, too. I'm pretty sure it's the only dedicated text editor I've actually found useful enough relative to free alternatives like Vim to pay money for. (Not counting editors embedded in IDEs and such.) I only stopped installing it on my systems because of its lack of updates. I felt the need to break my dependence on it before I got bit by some bit rot problem.
zukkoshopservice Warren Young wrote: > > On 4/26/2012 2:38 AM, Lee D. Rothstein wrote: >> Long ago (circa 1979), and far away (Ball Labs, CO), I wrote a >> text retrieval system in 'ed'. Shortly thereafter, I started >> using MicroEmacs. > > In a recent discussion -- http://goo.gl/SYoXB -- Walter Bright mentioned > that he still uses a customized version of MicroEmacs. He pointed out > that he doesn't feel the need for Emacs Lisp and such, since he can just > add the feature to the program and rebuild it. > > That's our Walter. :) > >> Now, I use TextPad. Nice, but all but dead, and only single >> platform -- Windows -- and missing some key features. > > I've got a license for TextPad, too. I'm pretty sure it's the only > dedicated text editor I've actually found useful enough relative to free > alternatives like Vim to pay money for. (Not counting editors embedded > in IDEs and such.) I only stopped installing it on my systems because > of its lack of updates. I felt the need to break my dependence on it > before I got bit by some bit rot problem. > > -- --(Continue reading)
Christopher Faylor sent the following at Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:36 AM >On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 06:26:00AM -0400, Chris Sutcliffe wrote: >>On 23 April 2012 19:45, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: >>> On 2012-04-23 18:16, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) >>>> [E] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> I've made a new version of ed available for installation. ?This version >>>>>> is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. >>>>> >>>>> They're still updating ed!?!?! >>>> >>>> Heh. >>>> >>>> I was pretty surprised too. ?I couldn't believe I'd missed several >>>> revisions. >>>> >>>> Who in the world still uses ed? >>> >>> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/dindex/sys-apps/ed >>> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/rindex/sys-apps/ed >> >>The mksh testsuite requires ed to run successfully as well. > >I think Barry expressed my incredulity a little more clearly. > >I can believe that there are old configure scripts out there still using(Continue reading)
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 09:40:39AM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: >Christopher Faylor sent the following at Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:36 AM >>On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 06:26:00AM -0400, Chris Sutcliffe wrote: >>>On 23 April 2012 19:45, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: >>>> On 2012-04-23 18:16, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:44:23PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) >>>>> [E] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Christopher Faylor wrote on Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:59 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've made a new version of ed available for installation. ?This version >>>>>>> is a refresh from the currently released FSF version of this package. >>>>>> >>>>>> They're still updating ed!?!?! >>>>> >>>>> Heh. >>>>> >>>>> I was pretty surprised too. ?I couldn't believe I'd missed several >>>>> revisions. >>>>> >>>>> Who in the world still uses ed? >>>> >>>> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/dindex/sys-apps/ed >>>> http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/misc/rindex/sys-apps/ed >>> >>>The mksh testsuite requires ed to run successfully as well. >> >>I think Barry expressed my incredulity a little more clearly. >>(Continue reading)
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