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Odhiambo Washington | 5 Jun 2008 15:31
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy <at> hub.org> wrote:
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> As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in, with a
> break down as follows:
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>           PC-BSD           14 715 hosts
>           FreeBSD           6 331 hosts
>           DesktopBSD        2 662 hosts
>           NetBSD              108 hosts
>           MirBSD               68 hosts
>           OpenBSD              59 hosts
>           DragonFly            27 hosts
>           MidnightBSD          22 hosts
>           GNU/kFreeBSD          6 hosts
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I run a couple of servers in KE and I always do check to see if the
number grows. Since I run most of those that report the stats, it's
something that I am always curious about, since I don't know who the
other participants (6 more now) are:-)
Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
that there are FreeBSD?
For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to
be submitted.
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Marc G. Fournier | 5 Jun 2008 22:30
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In


--On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:31:30 +0300 Odhiambo Washington 
<odhiambo <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
> I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
> the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
> that there are FreeBSD?
> For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to
> be submitted.

That is why we're working on both improving the site itself (fixing issues with 
the sub-release areas), as well as trying to a more regular monthly notice up 
... I find a jump in stats each time I do so as more ppl find out about it ...

Report I did a few months back shows only 85 Countries reporting in, so 
although its just one host here and there, adding 40 new countries is cool ...

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Gonzalo Nemmi | 6 Jun 2008 00:52
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

On Thursday 05 June 2008 17:30:36 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> --On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:31:30 +0300 Odhiambo Washington
>
> <odhiambo <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
> > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
> > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
> > that there are FreeBSD?
> > For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to
> > be submitted.
>
> That is why we're working on both improving the site itself (fixing issues
> with the sub-release areas), as well as trying to a more regular monthly
> notice up ... I find a jump in stats each time I do so as more ppl find out
> about it ...
>
> Report I did a few months back shows only 85 Countries reporting in, so
> although its just one host here and there, adding 40 new countries is cool
> ...

I'm one of those that just found out !
Will install bsdstats now =D
Any tips on how to configure will be a welcome addition since there seems to 
be no manpage on bsdstats :(
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=bsdstats&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.0-RELEASE&format=html

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Marc G. Fournier | 8 Jun 2008 15:30
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In


Under FreeBSD, it prompts you during the install process itself ...

--On Thursday, June 05, 2008 19:52:04 -0300 Gonzalo Nemmi <gnemmi <at> gmail.com> 
wrote:

> On Thursday 05 June 2008 17:30:36 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> --On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:31:30 +0300 Odhiambo Washington
>>
>> <odhiambo <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
>> > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
>> > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
>> > that there are FreeBSD?
>> > For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to
>> > be submitted.
>>
>> That is why we're working on both improving the site itself (fixing issues
>> with the sub-release areas), as well as trying to a more regular monthly
>> notice up ... I find a jump in stats each time I do so as more ppl find out
>> about it ...
>>
>> Report I did a few months back shows only 85 Countries reporting in, so
>> although its just one host here and there, adding 40 new countries is cool
>> ...
>
> I'm one of those that just found out !
> Will install bsdstats now =D
> Any tips on how to configure will be a welcome addition since there seems to
> be no manpage on bsdstats :(
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Murray Stokely | 6 Jun 2008 01:14
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

Hi Marc, can you please post these individually to different lists
next time rather than one massive cross-post?

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
> I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
> the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
> that there are FreeBSD?

Yes I should think that is pretty obvious. =)  I would expect that
Yahoo! alone has ~2 orders of magnitude more FreeBSD servers than what
is represented there.

These numbers have basically no correlation with the number of
installed instances of these operating systems.  Anyone interested in
this effort should submit patches to optionally install/enable this
functionality in the installer of the various operating systems

            - Murray
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Zafer Aydogan | 6 Jun 2008 09:20
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

2008/6/6, Murray Stokely <murray <at> stokely.org>:
> Hi Marc, can you please post these individually to different lists
>  next time rather than one massive cross-post?
>
>
>  On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>  > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
>  > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
>  > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
>  > that there are FreeBSD?
>
>
> Yes I should think that is pretty obvious. =)  I would expect that
>  Yahoo! alone has ~2 orders of magnitude more FreeBSD servers than what
>  is represented there.
>
>  These numbers have basically no correlation with the number of
>  installed instances of these operating systems.  Anyone interested in
>  this effort should submit patches to optionally install/enable this
>  functionality in the installer of the various operating systems
>
>
>             - Murray
>

Why is this info crossposted on so much lists ?
That's really annoying, beside the fact that the data is useless.

Cheers, Zafer.
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Alaksiej C | 6 Jun 2008 01:12
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in sysinstall.
Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and installation of
bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware of it.

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo <at> gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy <at> hub.org> wrote:
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> > As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in,
> with a
> > break down as follows:
> >
> >           PC-BSD           14 715 hosts
> >           FreeBSD           6 331 hosts
> >           DesktopBSD        2 662 hosts
> >           NetBSD              108 hosts
> >           MirBSD               68 hosts
> >           OpenBSD              59 hosts
> >           DragonFly            27 hosts
> >           MidnightBSD          22 hosts
> >           GNU/kFreeBSD          6 hosts
> >
>
> I run a couple of servers in KE and I always do check to see if the
> number grows. Since I run most of those that report the stats, it's
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Marc G. Fournier | 8 Jun 2008 15:31
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Over the past year, there have been a few that had talked about submitting a 
patch for this, but time is always an issue ... I've never looked into 
sysinstall itself, so wouldn't even know where to start ... anyone?

--On Friday, June 06, 2008 02:12:54 +0300 Alaksiej C <ac <at> belngo.info> wrote:

> I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in sysinstall.
> Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and installation of
> bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware of it.
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy <at> hub.org> wrote:
>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> > As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in,
>> with a
>> > break down as follows:
>> >
>> >           PC-BSD           14 715 hosts
>> >           FreeBSD           6 331 hosts
>> >           DesktopBSD        2 662 hosts
>> >           NetBSD              108 hosts
>> >           MirBSD               68 hosts
>> >           OpenBSD              59 hosts
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Dan Langille | 6 Jun 2008 04:45
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

On Jun 5, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Alaksiej C wrote:

> I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in  
> sysinstall.
> Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and  
> installation of
> bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware  
> of it.

I'm sure patches would be gratefully accepted.  Go for it.  You just  
volunteered.

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Murray Stokely | 6 Jun 2008 01:19
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Yea it's probably worth doing, but that would still only reach a small
fraction of the installed instances of FreeBSD, so what will that
number really give you?  The number of people using sysinstall that
choose to participate in this program?  Somewhat interesting I guess,
but that number is very different from the number of computers running
FreeBSD.  Any large installation will image drives or perform their
own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors
to know how many machines they are running.

The bsdstats website does not make this very clear and is I think
misleading and possibly harmful to the effort it is trying to
champion.

           - Murray

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Alaksiej C <ac <at> belngo.info> wrote:
> I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in sysinstall.
> Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and installation of
> bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware of it.
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy <at> hub.org> wrote:
>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> > As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in,
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Julian Stacey | 6 Jun 2008 08:56
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> FreeBSD.  Any large installation will image drives or perform their
> own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors
> to know how many machines they are running.

Some companies wont want their competitors, &/or suppliers/
clients to even know What OS's they run, let alone how many.  

Some government departments too (whose `competitors' could include
foreign governments, terrorists, thieves, & civil liberties groups etc).

I installed on 1 of 3 public servers, but not on firewalls or internals.

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Marc G. Fournier | 8 Jun 2008 15:35
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In


--On Friday, June 06, 2008 08:56:01 +0200 Julian Stacey <jhs <at> berklix.org>
wrote:

>> FreeBSD.  Any large installation will image drives or perform their
>> own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors
>> to know how many machines they are running.
>
> Some companies wont want their competitors, &/or suppliers/
> clients to even know What OS's they run, let alone how many.
>
> Some government departments too (whose `competitors' could include
> foreign governments, terrorists, thieves, & civil liberties groups etc).

Again, there is nothing on the site, or in the database, that links the host to 
any specific organization, or even IP ... month to month reporting is based on 
two generated 'keys' that are stored on the remote host, and passed to the 
reporting server, not the hostname/IP ...

This is *very* anonymous, for exactly the reasons you state above ...

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Marc G. Fournier | 6 Jun 2008 03:45
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In


--On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:19:40 -0700 Murray Stokely
<murray <at> stokely.org> 
wrote:

> Any large installation will image drives or perform their
> own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors
> to know how many machines they are running.

But, there is nothing on the site (or in the database, for that matter), that 
links a host (or set of) to any specific domain, IP or company ... netcraft 
does this, we don't ... so there is no way fo rsomeone to know *what*, or how 
many, a competitor was running ... this was as key design requirement put forth 
by oodles of security conscious admin on these lists when the project first 
started ...

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Alaksiej C | 6 Jun 2008 02:02
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IMHO, you are partly right. In regard of FreeBSD at all, right now, those
numbers are misleading (it's not possible to use it for any research) and
unimpressive (it's not possible to use it for PR). Yet, for the guys from
PC-BSD team it is already useful. Their users quantity reflected by bsdstats
should be almost correct.

And it has some potential. If bsdstats will become more usual and numbers
will grow, than *probably* it would be enough for some advertising, at least
in the following form:

Accordingly to bsdstats number of FreeBSD users has grown by 12%,
blah-blah...

And (let's dream :) ) some social thing could be incorporated in it, like
voluntary registration in a global db, so you would be able to be connected
by/connect to ppl, who runs FreeBSD in your location.

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Murray Stokely <murray <at> stokely.org> wrote:

> Yea it's probably worth doing, but that would still only reach a small
> fraction of the installed instances of FreeBSD, so what will that
> number really give you?  The number of people using sysinstall that
> choose to participate in this program?  Somewhat interesting I guess,
> but that number is very different from the number of computers running
> FreeBSD.  Any large installation will image drives or perform their
> own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors
> to know how many machines they are running.
>
> The bsdstats website does not make this very clear and is I think
> misleading and possibly harmful to the effort it is trying to
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Gonzalo Nemmi | 6 Jun 2008 03:23
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

On Thursday 05 June 2008 21:02:48 Alaksiej C wrote:

> And (let's dream :) ) some social thing could be incorporated in it, like
> voluntary registration in a global db, so you would be able to be connected
> by/connect to ppl, who runs FreeBSD in your location.

One of the coolest ideas I've heard in a long time ...

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Murray Stokely | 6 Jun 2008 01:14
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

Hi Marc, can you please post these individually to different lists
next time rather than one massive cross-post?

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
> I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
> the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
> that there are FreeBSD?

Yes I should think that is pretty obvious. =)  I would expect that
Yahoo! alone has ~2 orders of magnitude more FreeBSD servers than what
is represented there.

These numbers have basically no correlation with the number of
installed instances of these operating systems.  Anyone interested in
this effort should submit patches to optionally install/enable this
functionality in the installer of the various operating systems

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