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Leevon Reaves | 31 Jul 2002 20:14

a brief story about your alternatives


I was at the time working on a large project involving small embedded routers.    In my professional opinion
openbsd on soekris is awesome.   I highly reccomend the soekris products, which can be  purchased from
www.soekris.com.   openbsd proper can fit on a 128meg cf  with 64 m left over....  thats what I personally
ended up doing.  the only piece of advice I have for anyone is to not undersetimate how hard it is to get cf
geometry correct.
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Andrew Shugg | 1 Aug 2002 16:58
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Re: a brief story about your alternatives

Leevon Reaves said:
> I was at the time working on a large project involving small embedded
> routers.    In my professional opinion openbsd on soekris is awesome.

That's what you would have got when/if your Embsd order arrived.  As far
as the hardware is concerned, anyway.  So not really an 'alternative'!

> I highly reccomend the soekris products, which can be  purchased from
> www.soekris.com.   openbsd proper can fit on a 128meg cf  with 64 m
> left over....  thats what I personally ended up doing.

Except that the stock OpenBSD likes a writeable /var/ ... and puts logs
in it.  Your Compact-Flash device will die after a while.  They can't
cope with being written to a lot.  Are you aware of this limitation?

> the only piece of advice I have for anyone is to not undersetimate how
> hard it is to get cf geometry correct.

Yes, that is useful advice, thanks.  I think it has been pointed out a
few times on the list so far, but I'm not sure if it has found its way
into any documentation yet.

Andrew.

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Peter Masloch | 1 Aug 2002 17:15

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You can setup syslog to write the logs to another server.
Problem solved :-)
Peter

> Leevon Reaves said:
> > I was at the time working on a large project involving 
> small embedded
> > routers.    In my professional opinion openbsd on soekris 
> is awesome.
> 
> That's what you would have got when/if your Embsd order 
> arrived.  As far
> as the hardware is concerned, anyway.  So not really an 'alternative'!
> 
> > I highly reccomend the soekris products, which can be  
> purchased from
> > www.soekris.com.   openbsd proper can fit on a 128meg cf  with 64 m
> > left over....  thats what I personally ended up doing.
> 
> Except that the stock OpenBSD likes a writeable /var/ ... and 
> puts logs
> in it.  Your Compact-Flash device will die after a while.  They can't
> cope with being written to a lot.  Are you aware of this limitation?
> 
> > the only piece of advice I have for anyone is to not 
> undersetimate how
> > hard it is to get cf geometry correct.
> 
> Yes, that is useful advice, thanks.  I think it has been pointed out a
> few times on the list so far, but I'm not sure if it has found its way
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Chuck Yerkes | 1 Aug 2002 17:55

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Quoting Peter Masloch (peter <at> easynix.com):
> You can setup syslog to write the logs to another server.
> Problem solved :-)
> Peter

And you can hack libutil and some other stuff to move the
/dev/ devices into a subdirectory (which can be MFS and
therefore writable).

And you can hack rc to deal with /var/run/ and some other
places that need writing to.

Or we can work together on it.

> > Leevon Reaves said:
> > > I was at the time working on a large project involving 
> > small embedded
> > > routers.    In my professional opinion openbsd on soekris 
> > is awesome.
> > 
> > That's what you would have got when/if your Embsd order 
> > arrived.  As far
> > as the hardware is concerned, anyway.  So not really an 'alternative'!
> > 
> > > I highly reccomend the soekris products, which can be  
> > purchased from
> > > www.soekris.com.   openbsd proper can fit on a 128meg cf  with 64 m
> > > left over....  thats what I personally ended up doing.
> > 
> > Except that the stock OpenBSD likes a writeable /var/ ... and
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Shane J Pearson | 2 Aug 2002 01:14
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Hi again,

On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 01:55  AM, Chuck Yerkes wrote:

> Or we can work together on it.

Sounds great.

Is it possible to write a script that can install and cut down from
the original OpenBSD ftp, or tree mounted on a local server?

A download of a single script for PXE boot/install with docco could be
really nice.

No need for all the hassles people have with CF card readers and the
geometry problems either.

BFN.
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Nicholas Lee | 6 Aug 2002 06:30
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On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:14:31AM +1000, Shane J Pearson wrote:
> Is it possible to write a script that can install and cut down from
> the original OpenBSD ftp, or tree mounted on a local server?

http://www.nmedia.net/~chris/soekris/

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Chuck Yerkes | 6 Aug 2002 19:31

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easy way I use?  Build a tree with the files I want.
I update with
rsync --existing /path/to/FULLTARBALL  /path/to/smallbuild

it replaces only existing files.  libs are an issue.

Just updated NetBSD 1.5.1 with 1.6 this way.

Quoting Nicholas Lee (nj.lee <at> plumtree.co.nz):
> On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 09:14:31AM +1000, Shane J Pearson wrote:
> > Is it possible to write a script that can install and cut down from
> > the original OpenBSD ftp, or tree mounted on a local server?
> 
> http://www.nmedia.net/~chris/soekris/
> 
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> 
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clarence chan | 2 Aug 2002 04:05
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>From: Steve Pearlmutter <smp+embsd <at> twotents.com>
>To: embsd <at> lists.suspicious.org
>Subject: Re: a brief story about your alternatives
>Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:14:42 -0700
>
>Shane J Pearson <shanep <at> ign.com.au> writes:
> > On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 01:55  AM, Chuck Yerkes wrote:
> >
> >> Or we can work together on it.
> >
> > Sounds great.
> >
> > Is it possible to write a script that can install and cut down from
> > the original OpenBSD ftp, or tree mounted on a local server?
>
>I was kind of hoping that that's what emBSD would provide, once Ken &
>Truman got the CVS up & running.  It should be much easier to keep
>some scripts up to date than to keep an entire new release of OpenBSD
>up to date.  Unfortunately (for most of us, I'd guess), the whole
>emBSD project is pretty opaque.
>
>After trying the emBSD 2.1 alpha release, and finding that it was not
>workable for me, I went through the process of cutting down the
>release manually last week, and it wasn't too bad.  I have not
>automated it, and of course it requires building a distribution on top
>of an updated OpenBSD 3.1 installation, but it is installed on CF and
>works in my net4501.  My target was a 64MB card, so it was a little
>easier, but it could squeeze down to 32MB, I think.
>
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Steve Pearlmutter | 2 Aug 2002 02:14

Re: a brief story about your alternatives

Shane J Pearson <shanep <at> ign.com.au> writes:
> On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 01:55  AM, Chuck Yerkes wrote:
>
>> Or we can work together on it.
>
> Sounds great.
>
> Is it possible to write a script that can install and cut down from
> the original OpenBSD ftp, or tree mounted on a local server?

I was kind of hoping that that's what emBSD would provide, once Ken &
Truman got the CVS up & running.  It should be much easier to keep
some scripts up to date than to keep an entire new release of OpenBSD
up to date.  Unfortunately (for most of us, I'd guess), the whole
emBSD project is pretty opaque.

After trying the emBSD 2.1 alpha release, and finding that it was not
workable for me, I went through the process of cutting down the
release manually last week, and it wasn't too bad.  I have not
automated it, and of course it requires building a distribution on top
of an updated OpenBSD 3.1 installation, but it is installed on CF and
works in my net4501.  My target was a 64MB card, so it was a little
easier, but it could squeeze down to 32MB, I think.

With several of us doing this sort of thing, it's unfortunate we don't
have a place to combine our changes.  I know that Chuck has some
library changes etc. that would be most likely be useful to
everybody.

Steve.
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Michael | 2 Aug 2002 03:11

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On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 17:14:42, Steve Pearlmutter said...

> With several of us doing this sort of thing, it's unfortunate we don't
> have a place to combine our changes.  I know that Chuck has some
> library changes etc. that would be most likely be useful to
> everybody.

Well we could certainly start a project on sourceforge or something.  I'd
offer space, but I don't have the upstream bandwidth to really do it.

I've been considering striping down an OpenBSD install myself lately.

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