Ed Beighe | 2 Apr 2001 01:53
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Re: bike lanes, pro and con


From: De Clarke <de@...>
> , and the "bike lanes"
> are on lower-speed roads!

Oh, this is so typical. In my area, many of the collector roads have bike
lanes. The usual configuration is a 48' wide (! curbface-to-curbface), one
"car lane" of 19' in each direction, 5' bikelane, 1 foot gutter pan (no
parking! there is virtaully no on-street parking except on residential
streets).
One can only guess that the roads are built wide so that they can be
instantaneously converted to more lanes(?).

None of the arterials around me has bike lanes. They are typically set up
with either 4 or 6 (2 or 3 each direction) 10.5' lanes. The worst
configuration has a right hand edge stripe and a 1 to 3 foot shoulder next
to a vertical curb. I call it a shoulder because that's what it is legally,
it is (properly) not marked as a bike lane -- however for all intents and
purposes, to motorists, it is a bike lane. Some of these arterials are also
marked with the green/white Bicycle Route signs and "Share the Road" (which
I really HATE) signs, further adding to the confusion.

> Pedestrians have a right, in CA, to cross the street at any
> point including the middle of the block, and they have the right of way.

Really???!!! This just can't be correct -- the right of way part I mean, it
would be chaos(?) Here is AZ statue, for example:

28-793. Crossing at other than crosswalk
A. A pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked
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De Clarke | 2 Apr 2001 05:26
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Re: bike lanes, pro and con

Ed Beighe (ebeighe@...) wrote:
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> > Pedestrians have a right, in CA, to cross the street at any
> > point including the middle of the block, and they have the right of way.
> 
> Really???!!! This just can't be correct -- the right of way part I mean, it
> would be chaos(?) Here is AZ statue, for example:
> 
> 28-793. Crossing at other than crosswalk
> A. A pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked
> crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the
> right-of-way to all vehicles on the roadway.

You got me there! I had that info by hearsay, not from reading the CVC.
I will check with other sources... it may very well be that peds can legally 
cross anywhere, but the r-o-w is reversed in mid-block. Sadly, in my town 
it doesn't make much difference, cars take the r-o-w on pedwalks also :-( 
violation of occupied crosswalk is probably the most common moving violation 
on our local streets, and almost never ticketed...

de

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De Clarke | 2 Apr 2001 06:12
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ped xings and ROW

De Clarke (de@...) wrote:
> Ed Beighe (ebeighe@...) wrote:
> > 
> > > Pedestrians have a right, in CA, to cross the street at any
> > > point including the middle of the block, and they have the right of way.
> > 
> > Really???!!! This just can't be correct -- the right of way part I mean, it
> > would be chaos(?)
> > 

City of Walnut Creek official traffic safety info online:

http://www.ci.walnut-creek.ca.us/crosswalks.html

precis:

it is illegal for a ped to cross the street other than at
an intersection only in business districts. elsewhere peds
can cross the street anywhere.

right of way is by a "who was here first" rule: a pedestrian
is not supposed to step out in front of a vehicle "close enough
to present a hazard," but a driver is supposed to yield to
any ped already crossing the street. I am surprised to find
that in the Walnut Creek document, this ROW rule seems to be
applied to marked crosswalks... given the aggressive flow of
traffic at many of our intersections, a ped who waited until
there was no car closely approaching would wait a heckuva 
long time :-)

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Ed Beighe | 2 Apr 2001 17:05
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Re: ped xings and ROW

From: De Clarke <de@...>
>
> 21952. The driver of any motor vehicle, prior to driving over or
> upon any sidewalk, shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian
> approaching thereon.
>
> driving upon a sidewalk? huh? I thought driving on
> a sidewalk was just plain illegal, period, end of story.
>

No, it looks like this covers both driveways ("driving over") and also the
occaisonally need to drive on sidewalks, think in terms of maintenance
vehicles, college campus, etc.
It *does* have the strongest rights for peds, so it sounds OK.

> something I am surprised not to see here (maybe it's in another
> section?) is a rule about a crosswalk with people on it. I thought

Here is the AZ version of what you are referring to. In short, cars on the
*same side* of the road as the ped must yield. I, too, am thinking that CA
has a more stringent deal?

28-792. Right-of-way at crosswalk
A. Except as provided in section 28-793, subsection B, if traffic control
signals are not in place or are not in operation, the driver of a vehicle
shall yield the right-of-way, slowing down or stopping if need be in order
to yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk when the
pedestrian is on the half of the roadway on which the vehicle is traveling
or when the pedestrian is approaching so closely from the opposite half of
the roadway as to be in danger. A pedestrian shall not suddenly leave any
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De Clarke | 2 Apr 2001 23:56
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seeking a reference: decline of walking, cycling


I need a fairly reputable reference for the following:

decline of walking, cycling among children in the
US (last ten years would be OK, 20 years better).

decline of walking, cycling among adults in the US
(same time period)

or

decline of walking, cycling among children vs adults
in any other motorized nation such as Canada, UK,
Germany, Japan, NZ, Oz, etc.

Somewhere I read that cycling and walking had declined among
US juveniles by 60 percent over the last 20 years or so --
but I cannot for the life of me now remember where I (might
have) read this. need to make a point (re health, fitness,
transportation modes, "child safety") and require a solid
footnote.

tia to anyone who can provide the requisite paper, gov't
report, stat, newspaper/zine article, etc.

de

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